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Hi, hows it going with the responce on my questions?

Originally posted by TheNetherlands
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Hi N120,

You said "Each Representative of the races had there own views of things."

So can i assume this was some sort of intergalactic organisation like Earth's United Nations or something?

I mean, race representatives coming together, "abducting" humans and debating with eachother if we are ready seems to me like it is some sort of Universal or galactic government or organisation. Can you elaborate on this?

Also i would like to ask if you can describe how those beings looked like. I want to know this because of some experiences i had myself.

Well "TheNetherlands" in your short post.
You ask'ed 4 very significant questions.


This is an example why I love this site. (ATS)
Some times opportunity just sticks its head up out of the chaos.
I'm rambling sorry.

I could spend hours trying to answer all the questions at once.
But
I would lose you in the details.
I would also drift off your question.

Sooooo

I will try to answer in a separate post's.
Addressing each of the questions separately.

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I want you to remember there is a cost to those of us that are coming out on this subject.
My Safety, Health & Security have been threatened over the decades.
My family was threatened.
I had basked in relative safety over the last 5 years or so.
My hopes rose with the new administration in the USA.

I allowed myself to be compromised in the 80’s.
Lost my job & went down the bunny hole.
I believe it was because I was coming out about my family’s abduction experiences.
They were on going at the time.

It has taken me over a decade to recover physically.
I am still recovering financially.

With that in mind
I must tell you that I don’t know how long I can stay online here.
I am endeavoring too.

I threw some money I could not spare at the problem.
I bought a new PC that has been helpful at staying off CIBER attacks.
It’s been working well for the past few months.

Well.

My new computer was hacked while trying to answer this post.

I used to be a home office level computer tech in the 1980/90’s.
I am now in Communications.
I deal hardware to the Bit level every day.
I have a little more understanding of how operating systems, Applications & PC hardware work than the average Joe.
I am a little slow in operations although.

I know for a fact that my posts were redirected.

This is an example of what has been used.
If it was a governmental this is a shot over the bow.
There would only be tracks if they wanted me too know that they were watching.
Peresonally I belive these people have went Roge.
As of late they are makeing to many mistakes.

I wish ATS had a recorse that we could use.

This file created itself in a file on my hard drive called “ÓÒwÿzûs”.
Here is what it contained.
“12/12/2009 2:34:59|164|hComboIE7:0|hHookPC:0|hIFrame:0|hWndAddress:0|wndLong:0|wndLongCB:0|wndPC:74896092|TabProcessID:0|TabThreadID:0|Message:SetSite(); before ReadParam()|Redirect:|Text:;”


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[edit on 12/12/2009 by n120by60w]

[edit on 12/12/2009 by n120by60w]

]Originally posted by TheNetherlands

Hi N120,

You said "Each Representative of the races had there own views of things."

/End Quote

Wow!

I guess that I have to clarify.

The panel is comprised of actual beings.
These are beings and have thoughts.
Their thoughts are not drone like.

Just like here on this world they have their cultural & personal beliefs.
Their beliefs’ are sometimes in conflict with in themselves.
There cultural beliefs are sometimes at odds with their personal beliefs.

They are free thinking.
Just like us.
They only acted within reason.

Being in political position's,
their personal actions are limited by their laws.
Just like us.

My interactions with the panel were totally bounded within their laws.

I could since that a few of them were “forced to act” upon things that I said or did that were not within decorum.
They had to act upon their law even though they did not want to as I was disciplined.

I am not saying that there are not those else were that are simple & drone like. I am just saying that consul group was capable of free thinking. You can't place all the beings of one race into one basket.

Their ranks & positions were personal.
There was one acceptation.
One of the creatures was looked upon as a holy man,
held by all on the panel in awe.
They would defer to him.
He would rarely speak out.
But all would stop when he did.

Enough said about that....

And now for something totally different.
The Larch....

Ending 1 of 4

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[edit on 12/12/2009 by n120by60w]

Originally posted by TheNetherlands
reply to post by n120by60w

 

Hi, hows it going with the responce on my questions?

I was well into the second question.
It’s gone......
I will start on it again tomorrow.
I lost an hour or so on it....

My Email is now compromised.
I can't get into it at all now....


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[edit on 12/13/2009 by n120by60w]

Originally posted by TheNetherlands

So can i assume this was some sort of intergalactic organisation like Earth's United Nations or something?

I have spent my entire weekend trying to stay online.
I have it working now but something is still messed up.
So I will type what I can,
While I can.

What you stated is something that......
I feel the answer is in my heart
not my head.

So back to basics.

What I am about to talk about was
1/2 recovered by hypnotherapy & 1/2 by flashbacks.
Flashbacks - that were like experiencing them for the first time.
I would have some trigger set them off.
Then I was going for the ride of my life for the next few minutes.

I had contacted the Holloman Air Force OSI group in New Mexico that I had first reported the abduction to in the 70's.
In the USAF 1970's we were required to report them.
So I thought I should give them a crack.
I told them that I was having flashbacks from the events.
I told them that I was unsure that I should be talking publicly about them.
I told them that I might need help.
They put me on hold then some guy came back in the line.
He said "You can talk about anything & that if I felt that I should not talk about something then don’t."
Then he pretty much hung up.

I continued to have ever longer flashbacks.
It became clear to me & my wife that I was going to have to get help.

I called around and found a teacher of hypnotherapy out of state.
She said that she would work with me in a teaching setting anonymously.
She was teaching a class of 30 or so hypnotherapy students when she put me under.

Well she woke something within me that I still don’t fully understand.
We drove back from the session with more questions than answers.
It started a series of wide awake abduction
Upon arriving home after the session out of state.
They continued on & off for months.

I answered some of her questions speaking in another language.
I only speak English.
She sometimes would interrupt me and tell me to answer in English.
I would pause then answer.

I answered all of her questions with a few acceptations’.
Those that I did not answer ended up with me writhing in pain.
All I saw was a green cloud of mist when that would happen.
She got me calmed down.
Then she used another technique that allowed me to answer.
I answered with hand signals that I was unaware that I was making.
My wife was present so I know that it was me answering.

I don’t remember much about how I ended up getting a call from the director of Mufon.
But he ended up calling me from England.
He put me in touch with the local state director.
She worked on me for days & hours on end.

I have memories like watching a movie in some instances.
Sometimes I just like experienced them. It was like I was livening them.
She got what she needed.
I ended up back in the box.

So it is with that in mind that I answer you.

I sat in the middle of a large semi circle room.
About 12 to 20 feet in front of me was a line of old wooden folding chairs.
The line of chairs somewhat followed the semi circle shape of the room

I sat in a chair that was made like nothing I have ever seen before or since. I was somewhat like an easy chair. The pads were in form fit vertical columns that contained a green lightly glowing jell. The jell allowed the chair to form fit to my body & I sort of laid on it. I sank down into it & was fully supported by the gel filled padding. It was neither cold nor hot. It was very very comfortable. It had a pivoting foot plate that pivoted & covered my lower extremities to about my chest. I could feel hand controls that my hands just naturally fit into as the foot plate covered me.

I was allowed to view & interact with a panel of creatures that are stranger than the chair that I sat in.

I was personally tended by a creature behind me to the left.
I could not see him but know he was there.
He would interact with the panel also.

The room had vertical wooden planks that formed the wall approx 30' from the end of my feet.
The wood looked to be Pecan. The planks swept upward & forward to about 14' in height, ending in a smaller semi circle 2-4 feet in front of me then continued straight up forming a 12' round shaft.

My chair was centered below the shaft.
At the top of the shaft was a white ceiling.
A human in a lab coat was leaning over the edge of the shaft observing.
People would come & go talking to him as they looked down.

There were rough hune stone out copings in the room.
Then entrance was to my left & and looked to rock hune also.
There is much much more that I could describe about the room.
But it would not help you with the answer you are asking.
It just reminded me of a Frank Lloyd Wright high class 60's inspired structure.

Well I was rather distracted.
Taking in the room & all.
I looked forward & a few creatures were already setting.
The rest just wandered in & took their place.
All acknowledged the small cloaked creature that set in the middle.
He had some significance there.

I could actually feel his presence.
I was in the presence of something that I can only describe as Holy.

They questioned me about general things.
They seemed to be familiar questions.
Like I had been asked many times before.

Something that just kind of pop'ed in that I don't recall talking about before.
There was this guy.
I hated him as you would someone that had killed someone that was related to you.
He paced back & forth in front of me to my right.
Like he was thinking as he walked.
I would answer something & he would argue with my answer.

He thought of humans the same way we would treat something we found in the back of refrigerator. Something we placed there a few months ago. Interested to see what is there.
But
Hell it’s going into the trash anyway.

I know that I was feeling emanate conflict.
Just over the horizon.
War was coming or was already ongoing.
My answers were important.

The one question that sticks in my mind the most was.
Are they ready?
My answer was
YES.

If these creatures abducted me.
I don’t know why I have so much of a feeling of allegiance to a few of them.

I think they are protecting is from something we are yet unaware of.
My hope is that they are allowing us to progress to the point that we might have a chance of being allowed to interact with them.

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Originally posted by one4all
I'm pretty sure the liquid has something to do with our adding to or enhancing bodys natural composition,this enables them to transport us in their [gravity]beams.It may also have something to do with allowing us to travel in their ships.

I dont remember if it was clear or not but I do remember I DID NOT WANT TO DRINK IT.

And the cup was pretty big for a seven year old.

Apologies if this sounds pretty mundane, but gastroenterologists commonly give patients a rather horrible drink to, ahem, 'clean out' the digestive tract before a colonoscopy.

Maybe traveling in the ships or the 'gravity beams' is peculiarly distressing to one's unaccustomed guts?

That is entirely possible as i am only guessing as to the purpose of the liquid I was forced to drink,the timing and the circumstance remain the same however,and there wasnt enough time to stop for a potty break, it was on the way out or home,the little guys who came into my house came to physically take me with their own little hands,and I didnt see them drinking anything.A cosmic enema is possible but the fact is that the ships I was on had a stable environment for my physical body as it is right now.I dont remember all of the physical sensations of each moment as clearly as I would like,it is like trying to remember if you were hungry during your dentists appointment,you will remember the appointment but the fleeting sensation of hunger you may have felt seemed so small in comparison to the dental trauma you were about to recieve THAT YOU FORGOT ABOUT IT FOR THE MOMENT--NOT FOREVER ONLY FOR THE MOMENT.It is through the process of recognising and piecing together these little moments of deja-vu that occur when we remember those little moments we put on the backburner--THAT WE LEARN TO REVERSE EXTRAPOLATE THE REAL SEQUENCE OF EVENTS WE WERE A PART OF AND WE ALSO BECOME ABLE TO INSTANTLY SENSE WHEN WE ARE BEING LIED TO.

Because we have learned to trust ourselves first and let THE FACTS WORK THEMSELVES OUT LATER.

n120by60w how have you been recently??
Hoping you and your family are safe and enjoying the holidays!

Originally posted by SmokeyDawn
n120by60w

I have had many long posts somehow deleted "accidentally"usually meatty ones that are ultra informative and always the same topic ,the way the lag time between events actually happening and certain people getting the information has been used throughout history to manipulate humanity and how this manipulation can give billions of humans a false or contrived perspective of the actual world they are living in,its like keeping any group of people you choose in the dark like mushrooms until you need to use them for your own gain again,this manipulation of the cumulative reality of humanity is allowing a small number of people to literally control mankinds fate.But alas us abductees can help teach people to see through the veil as can others.Its all a matter of perspective.

We really do create our own cumulative reality as a species and the people controlling us are aware of this and they also know that the suppression of knowledge is the only way to prevent us all from getting on the same page at the same time,this is the pointin time during which all of humanity must simultaneously become aware of a power greater than any and all seen before,at the same time,the same incredible knowledge.

I am hoping that this is the true purpose of what I have heard predicted as a mass disclosure event on a global scale,this would be the trigger we need as a species to dismantle the powers that be.

reply to post by TheNetherlands



I lost a couple hours work today posting on the orginization question.
I will try again tomarrow.

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Originally posted by TheNetherlands

I mean, race representatives coming together, "abducting" humans and debating with each other if we are ready seems to me like it is some sort of Universal or galactic government or organization. Can you elaborate on this?

Also i would like to ask if you can describe how those beings looked like. I want to know this because of some experiences i had myself

Well I have spent a lot of time trying to answer on this subject.
I am finding that it works better for me to answer in a word doc then transfer it to ATS.
I can spell check & don’t loss my work if something goes WUBAR.

Well in all my sessions of hypnosis.
The recalled events included “humans“as active participants’ in the abduction.
They were military like.
Their ranks were on their shoulders of their uniforms.
They were indicated with by single or multiable lines of brightly colored thread.
They were unlike anything that I had seen in my short tour with the Air Force.
They wore Black Flight suits along with black helmets.
I was transported in black Helicopters’.
They were very unique.
They had no tail rotor.
Just a single directional tube that replaced it in function.
It looked like a directed thrust device.

I was heavily drugged during transport.
Unknown to the abductors I grew very tolerant to the drugs.
A few times I came too in a simple pile of abductees’ stacked like cordwood in the rear of the Black Helicopter.
Earlier I described wakening just as we were landing at a remote location in the desert.
The reason I bring this up is that it was my first clear view of a non human under hypnosis.

It exited from a transport tube that I was to occupy.
The tube was constructed from a white plastic/metal looking material.
They stacked & looked somewhat like F4 engine storage pods.
I remember seeing 25 or so neatly stacked 50 yards or so away from us.
4 to 6 regular sergeants were busy opening 2 or 3 of the tubes arriving on a raised pair or rails.
I was guided to one by a staff sergeant dressed in standard green uniform & insignia.

He was beside himself apologizing to me for having to place me in a used tube.
He addressed me “Mr.” by my “last name”
Using my last name was not odd.
Not refereeing to me a sergeant was odd.
I was still in my uniform after being taken from the Hospital ER at Holloman.
My wife had been sick & I insisted on taking her to the ER.
We got here fixed up.
But then they abruptly admitted me due to a cough that I had.
The last wakening thing I remember was.
What the hell…. Why did I need an IV?
Then I blanked out.
I woke days later with my right hand round like a baseball from the IV being placed wrong.

Back to the Transport tube.
Two sergeants were assisting very tall creature from the tube I was being guided too.
He was 7 feet tall maybe more.
He was very fair complicated with white long hair.
He wore white pants & a shirt.
He had a white cloth shall that covered his shoulders & draped to his mid thighs as he stood up.
The White cloth, his hair and skin were dirty with a dingy black soil. Maybe coal dust.
As he stood he stretched out as if he was just awakening or was all cramped up from being in the tube.
But to my wonderment.
He stretched out large white feather covered wings.
They were also dingy with the black dust.
There span was over 10 feet or so.
They were only lightly extended.

My reaction to the creature.
My jaw just dropped open.
The Sergeant that was tending to me made no reaction.
The being looked our way as it pivoted to leave & nodded to me in recognition.
Then just walked away.
I was whisked into the emptied transport & all went black.

I spent the next few minutes experiencing very high G forces within the tube.
It was 10 G’s maybe more.
I think it eventually blacked out.

I awoke in an underground training base.
I called it N120BY60W when asked where I was.

Thousands of us were being trained on our respective duties.
Out fitted.
Debriefed on the Roswell crash.
Then sent on missions, to who know where, for that matter who knows when.
I was trained to fly a troop transport.
My group saw combat.
It was pretty graphic.
We won our objective.
But at a high cost in human lives.

I got pissed off during one mission.
I went off mission by myself & my craft to put a final end to the conflict.
It worked but it ended my time there.
As far as I know the conflict ended with my actions.

Years later I was working in Michigan for a printer manufacture.
It was the 1990’s and got a bump from a co worker in international sales.
I was told that the base had been lost.
I was told that multiple teams had been lost trying to recover it.
I was told that a UN team & a separate German team had just been lost & they were looking for help.
I offered to walk in with a nuke backpack.
That’s the last I heard of the place.

Well the creatures that I spoke with out Hypnosis were much of species.
One type was cloaked in some type of transparent suit.
They were 5’ 4’ or so tall.
They were a little thin compared to humans of the same stature.
They spoke verbally in clicks/ticks & what I would describe as mouth pops.
They were very timid with me.
I believe that they were there to clean up a mess at our local Nuke plant in Covert.
I was just a side trip.

The other creature type was all but human.
Something was wrong although.
It was as if he was speaking non verbally.
Yet we were walking threw a crowded intersection.
He stepped in front of me and said something I will never forget.
Tesla was right!
There is no way to charge for it.
Drop it!
I had been reading a book on dark matter from the library.
I had just finished a book about his life.
I dropped it as instructed.

part 1

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Part 2

Both of these events were pre cursored by mechanical/physical devices.
They were not anything that I know of in the public or military.
They were suspended in the air & made no noise.
They were physical!
They were tools of some kind.
I believe they were used to physically align a remote devise to our local area. (Fine tuning)
And others to alter our mind. (Put us to sleep. Or somehow alter us into being suggestible to outside influences)

The creatures under hypnosis were as different as shrimp like.
To Crab like. To an earless Jar Jar Binks guy that I gave drawings to the guy in Boston in the very early 1980’s. I am sorry I forget his name. (Intruders guy) I think it was Budd someone.
Most creatures that I worked with were 8’ down to 4’10 or so.
Some looked hurt in their normal appearance.
Thinking back about it though it might have been a gill type thing.
It looked painful to me at the time.

I think I have run off into the ditch trying to answer your question.
I am going to take a break.
This tires me out.
Please help me focus on what I am skipping.

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[edit on 1/15/2010 by n120by60w]

Hi all,

I have been traveling & haveing a few health problems.

I mentioned earlier that I was sent to a base where I was trained along with thousands of others at the same time.

My uniform was a Black form fitting thing.
We wore Black helmits with a red stripe & also wore back breathers.

I had in my left hand a button that had a cable that ran up my arm back to the breather backpack.
I could see this fully because we were all dressed the same & were stood waiting in formation.
On my left hand was a T shaped thing that ran along my knockels then continued down the back of my hand ending near my wrist.
I discribed it as some kind of drug or some type of dispencer.

When I pressed the button in my left hand.
It became easiyer to take a deep breath.

I remember one instance we were repelling down large 3" black pipes.
I became out of breath & was gasping for air.
I kept spamking the button with my left hand & started slaming it with my right palm.
The guy with me (My frend also being trained) yelled knock it off or I might heart myself some way.
I screamed back at him.
I can't breath damm it.

Thats when I took off my black glove in my right hand.
I notice the T shaped deivce under my skin.
The MUFON hypntist had me draw pictures of it & asked my preception of what it actually was.
I said it was a drug despencer.
It was under my skin.

I broght this up today because I just spent the weekend with my right hand swelled up. It now has settled down but burns like hell.
There is a pea sized knot in the tendon just below my center knockel twards my wrist.

It kinda shook loose this memory.

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Hi all,

I have been traveling & haveing a few health problems.

I mentioned earlier that I was sent to a base where I was trained along with thousands of others at the same time.

My uniform was a Black form fitting thing.
We wore Black helmits with a red stripe & also wore back breathers.

I had in my left hand a button that had a cable that ran up my arm back to the breather backpack.
I could see this fully because we were all dressed the same & were stood waiting in formation.
On my left hand was a T shaped thing that ran along my knockels then continued down the back of my hand ending near my wrist.
I discribed it as some kind of drug or some type of dispencer.

When I pressed the button in my left hand.
It became easiyer to take a deep breath.

I remember one instance we were repelling down large 3" black pipes.
I became out of breath & was gasping for air.
I kept spamking the button with my left hand & started slaming it with my right palm.
The guy with me (My frend also being trained) yelled knock it off or I might heart myself some way.
I screamed back at him.
I can't breath damm it.

Thats when I took off my black glove in my right hand.
I notice the T shaped deivce under my skin.
The MUFON hypntist had me draw pictures of it & asked my preception of what it actually was.
I said it was a drug despencer.
It was under my skin.

I broght this up today because I just spent the weekend with my right hand swelled up. It now has settled down but burns like hell.
There is a pea sized knot in the tendon just below my center knockel twards my wrist.

It kinda shook loose this memory.

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Just a couple of questions for you to answer.Do you reguard the aliens who abducted you as freinds,fairweather freinds,or you don't really know them at all.Do you trust them.Do you beleive what the aliens do to humans as a good thing or a bad thing.Most alien abductees have experienced bad or negitive responses from the aliens and only a few would consider there abduction experiences as good or positive.Some alien abductees have progressed on to become aliens contactees as well.Why do you think aliens would allow some abductees to become contactees as well.

Humans I trust as being like us as humans their motives I dont know completely as I encountered three groups,all were human races of one type or another ,but all had definitive agendas.

friends?I actually shared some moments with some individuals that makes me consider them as being my friends if we meet again,and my life was saved by a woman I consider to be a friend for life.

Do I think of the group that took me as being my friends after what happened? UNEQUIVICALLY NO!!!

Do I consider the cause I learned of to be noble and worthy of surrendering my life for YES.I considered it carefully.


Call it a catch 22 ,it is what it is.

My experience was negative in that I was kidnapped,my DNA was stolen,I was implanted and my natural growth was interfered with.

But there were many positives the greatest of which was that SOMEONE allowed me to keep my memories and share them with everyone.

Im curious if anyone here has experienced interaction with yellow light beings that they interpreted as being 'alien'.

My thoughts are these beings were some sort of spiritual being or higher self but my mind is open to other thoughts, especially if I could find another that has experienced these type of beings.

I am not the one who encountered them (there was 1 being only, Im just assuming there would be others)....it was my son when he was just 5 yrs old.

Just curious...
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Not here.

I want to point out too you that

Our perception of what we have no understanding of
is skewed by our previous perceptions.

If this was a child what would be their point of refeance.

I haved worked & have been trained on very very techical equitment repair, operations. Addionally trained in annalisis of matterals.
There are 2 things that I have seen that I can only reproduce by drawing them. I believe they were other demenisonal in nature. they were phyisical thogh...

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