Hell is a Conspircacy Theory- Proved False, From The Bible

I've seen the circles of Hell with my own eyes during astral projections.. it is
very real. But it's not a place you go when you're a sinner. It's just the place
that dark souls and creatures call their home. Between incarnations, the good
go to Heaven to rest, and the dark go to Hell to rest.

The dark are quite comfortable in Hell, it's their home, just like our home is
Heaven. All souls that incarnate go to the spirit world between incarnations,
to rest and plan their next incarnation. That's how it works, that's what I have
seen. This whole deal about going to Hell when you've been bad, is rubbish.
Heaven is not a reward for being good, nor is Hell a punishment for being bad,
those realms are simply the home of those who chose it as their home.

We are spiritual beings, not physical beings, we only temporarily inhabit this
body so we can learn from life on Earth. After we die, we regain all of our
memories, and we return home. The spirit world is our true home, Earth is just
a school to learn from. I've seen all this with my own eyes, quite a revelation.

reply to post by Wehali


Wow, your post is fascinating! What did Hell look like? Could you describe exactly how you have seen Hell? Can it be reproduced? Can other people see it?

It seems the Bible depicts Heaven/Hell in a very different way. I tend to give more weight to the Bible than one man's claim...

reply to post by Virtruvious


Jesus refered to Himself in the context of Truth and Light and Way, in the Bible? Also, He refered to Himself in the context of Life?

What did He mean by this?

reply to post by spellbound


I never understood Satan offering the Earth to Jesus. IF Jesus is God...how can anyone offer anything to God....how would that be a temptation. I think this shows that Jesus was very human and was tempted by the body of flesh for a material gain (all in his mind). Just like our flesh mind and spiritual mind talk back and forth all the time, trying to weigh the best way to live or a purpose of life...we talk to ourselves with a flesh voice and a spiritual voice....I think this is what was going on with Jesus. A man knowing the wrath and vengeance of the people, knowing they were going to kill him....but his mind had to decide if his own actions were righteous and non selfish. He had to work through a hardship, just like every other human does.

Now when I say...Jesus was not God....I say he was no more God then we are. I say that he was not special in the being...but yet, special as a part of ourselves. We can see how righteous his actions are, so proper respect of his actions to show his other selves something about life and purpose are properly respected.

I think the question is...for those who worship Jesus as God...can God be tempted??? I would think the answer is absolutely not.

Firstly, Jesus is NOT God, and He has never claimed that He was God,
He has clearly stated many times, that he was a son of God, just like
we all are. He even said that mankind will do wonders greater than
those He has performed, 2000 years ago. Jesus is a soul just like us,
of course He is very advanced, but no different than us nonetheless.

Anyway, back to the question,
I'll try and describe the circles of Hell that I have seen:

One circle looked like a massive, never ending graveyard. There were
countless open and closed graves, small and huge gravestones in the
shape of demons and gargoyles, or fallen angels with broken wings.
There were huge mausoleums, twisted tombs, holes in the ground and
creatures of various shapes were walking and crawling around there.
The skies were pitch black, and everything was in a tone of gray, dark
green, and black. A huge mausoleum led into the next circle of Hell.

The next circle looked like a never ending field of black and gray rocks,
boulders, rocky dirt, holes and caves. Here and there was some sort of
village, the holes and caves were usually inhabited by sort of nonhuman
entities, and the villages were inhabited by human souls, that made the
choice to serve darkness. There was this huge hole or gate at a side of
a mountain, that led into the next circle.

The next place was basically one gigantic, twisted, demonic city. There
were huge buildings everywhere, separated by streets, slums and alleys.
The architecture was like you'd expect in a place like this, everywhere
stone gargoyles on the ledges, jagged spikes protruding from the bricks,
statues of demons, dark rulers and an assortment of twisted creatures.
There was one huge cathedral like building, that had a huge hall and a
large golden throne. That must have been the throne of the ruler of that
particular circle.


Anyway,

The inhabitants of these places were very diverse. Many of them looked
just like humans, dressed in various outfits, mostly dark robes or leather
armor. There were creatures that surely looked like demons, but endless
variations of them. There were also more animal like creatures, but very
twisted and vile.

I believe the first place I mentioned, was the third circle, the second place
I described was the fourth circle, and last place was the fifth circle of Hell.
I think there are eight circles in total, but I'm not entirely sure of that. I
know that both Heaven and Hell are linked to every galaxy in the universe.
In every galaxy there is the Light of Heaven, and the darkness of Hell. I
also know that Satan rules Hell, and his sons are responsible for spreading
darkness through the galaxy: one son per galaxy. The Satan's son that is
corrupting our galaxy, is named Santanas, and he sits on the throne of the
fifth circle of Hell.

Everything that exists is bound by rules though, and whatever you have
been told, sins don't make you end up in Hell after your death. Only your
desire to go to Hell and serve the darkness, will have this consequence.
As long as you have not chosen to serve darkness, Heaven will be your
home for all eternity, regardless of your sins. However, karma exists, and
you have to make up for all your wrongs sooner or later. So just because
sins don't make you go to Hell, doesn't mean that your sins don't have any
consequences.. but you always get the chance to make up your mistakes,
no one ever judges or condemns you, especially not God.

However, it's very important that you are able to forgive yourself for your
sins. Many souls are so ashamed of what they have done, that they refuse
to enter the Light after they die. They don't end up in Hell, but they trap
themselves on Earth until they can finally forgive themselves. But that is
entirely their own choice. The moment they decide to forgive themselves,
they call for help and they are lifted back into Heaven.

I've seen Heaven too, through astral projection, and it is truly worth saying
"NO" to the temptations that darkness might offer you. Everything you ever
wanted, is available to you in Heaven, through instant manifestation. Food
still tastes the same, a beer or a cigarette still tastes the same, even sex is
still possible up there, provided it is performed in love of course. Except
everything in Heaven tastes, smells, looks, sounds and feels much better
and more intense.

I've been approached by darkness, and I said no, in return I was attacked
by them ferociously for over two years, up to this very day, but I have
never regretted it. When they approach you, in a lucid dream or in an out
of body experience; tell them to shove their offer where the sun don't shine!

I hope this answers your questions, and I hereby swear to God that I have
not made up a single word of all this. Everything I described really exists,
it's up to you whether to believe it or not, I'm not here to convince those
that don't want to believe in the spirit world. I'm just here, on this forum,
to offer information to those who seek.

If you have any further questions, please let me know. I enjoy describing
Heaven much more than Hell of course... it is not a nice place to be at all.
I nearly lost my life there, the connection with my body nearly broke, which
would have resulted in my physical death, so they are painful memories.

But know that the soul is immortal, whatever you may read or may watch.
Your soul can't be consumed or devoured, your soul can't be destroyed,
your soul memories can't be erased or wiped clean, what's yours is yours
for all eternity, and nothing can end your existence. There is a lot of false
knowledge going around in New Age communities and extraterrestrial
communities, that your soul can be damaged in any of the above described
ways, but know that they are all lies. Your soul is immortal and extremely
powerful, once released from the body.

After my first few positive out of body experiences, I completely lost all
fear of death. If you want to read near death experiences, check out this
website: www.near-death.com It's got many interesting testimonies, not
everything on that site is the truth, but the testimonies of the near death
experiencers, are truthful, and very interesting. I advice clicking on the
"Notable NDEs" link, that's the most interesting part of the website.

With love and Light and kind regards.

[edit on (23/4/09) by Wehali]

reply to post by teapot


I'm not sure what Blue_Jay thinks, but my understanding of Jesus' saying he is the way the truth and the life means that Jesus is the way to get to God. I'm sure you are familiar with Christian Doctrine of salvation made possible through Jesus' death on the cross. When we are baptized, we are united with Christ and his blood forgives us of our sins. (Romans 6:4-7) The act of Baptizm is pronouncing faith in Jesus and one is then "born again" to live a new life. God no longer sees that person as unrighteous, but as righteous because of the blood of Jesus. (Given that we continue to follow Jesus' teachings and turn away from sin)

So if one takes Jesus out of the picture then one cannot make it to God because their sins haven't been forgiven. Therefore Jesus is the only way for salvation.

Satan is a liar. He sends his minions into the congregations of God and tells them that hell does not exist.

reply to post by Virtruvious


Thank you for sharing your understanding Virtruvious.

reply to post by Wehali


Thanks for the description! I'll have to read through this a few times to fully digest it...

reply to post by Wehali


Thanks for the description! I'll have to read through this a few times to fully digest it...

reply to post by teapot


Mabey though, Satan is the one who does all the horrible acts of vengeance in the OT. Mabey the ruler of flesh shows us a wrong nature of god...making us think god is this wrathful god...that gives up on us and that needs blood for our sins. Mabey Satan has tricked you more then you may realize in accepting blood sacrifices. Killings gives off negative energies....a divine god doesnt need these negative powers to dwell with us...only lower vibrations need such dark energies to exsist. God needs nothing and Thee's order is perfect...not needing changed. I feel that this 'Satan' has defiantly told the biggest lie in the world...that God needs blood for our sins. Blood is material, God only needs your purest nature, your purest thoughts, you to find this divine within you. All the things that are unseeable, untouchable. Blood is not one of them.

This is my belief, that many are mislead.

The overwhelming majority of misery on this planet, was instigated by the
dark forces that influence our galaxy. The human species is actually very
peaceful, compassionate and kind. Only when darkness decided to manifest
onto this Earth, that we were manipulated, and disconnected of God's Light.

Before the Olympic Gods; manifested masters of darkness, came to Earth,
we lived in a paradise. We lived in peace and love, we cared for each other
and war was something completely unthinkable. The Titans, who were the
champions of Light, tried to defeat the Olympic Gods, but failed, and then
darkness spread across the entire planet.

No planet in the entire universe has suffered so much from darkness than
Earth. Not in the entire history of the universe has the Light been under such
ferocious and overwhelming assault, than on Earth. Great wounds are still
wide open, that have to be healed. But we're going in the right direction,
even if it doesn't look like that.

[edit on (23/4/09) by Wehali]

Originally posted by teapot
Satan is a liar. He sends his minions into the congregations of God and tells them that hell does not exist.

I love this tactic, my favorite, don't have a good answer form God's Word to counter an archaic belief structure, the standard response you are a "minion of Satan". That's an instant fail in discussing biblical doctrine and theology.

I guess the bible is lying to you then, I more than proved FROM THE BIBLE the truth of this matter.

As for Jesus being the truth, way, and light, that means everything goes through him because of the ransom sacrifice, also it is through his Messianic kingdom that humanity is restored and brought back to it's proper condition, that God originally intended for us, before Adam sinned.

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


Blu_Jay, I believe you have been deceived.

Please will you tell me your thoughts on each of the questions I have asked that refer directly to Jesus?

Originally posted by Welfhard
I always thought it odd that the bible referred to Hades, a Greek mythical underworld. I wondered if there was the River Styx as well, where you'd need to pay the toll to the ferrie. I also wondered if by default there was a Mount Olympus by default too. It was all very strange.

If Hades existed, should Pluto not also exist?

Anywho, for thing thought provoking OP, S & F.

[edit on 21-4-2009 by Welfhard]

I thought Hades was a mythical god of the underworld. Meaning when you go to Hades, you are going to Hade's place of reign or rule, where Hades is in charge.

Am I wrong about this?

reply to post by teapot

Your logic is sound! Until you throw free will into the equation.

I didn't throw free will into the equation because it cannot exist in the equation in summery .

The discussion is hell which is a punishment for a being, acting contrary to the will of it's creator. However, if the creator created everything that there is or will be (which it must do in order to be omniscient/omnipresent) this has to include all outcomes.

As all outcomes have to be created by the creator in order for it to remain all that there is, then it is impossible for a being to act in any other way than it was created to do.


People that believe in hell have to get to grips with the fact that if it were real, it would have to be created by their god. As their god created it, then this implies the possibility of an outcome that god had not predicted and if that is the case then yes that could be called free will but would negate the omniscience of their god.

Originally posted by badmedia
Good thread, you got the rare star and flag from me. I only give out maybe a few a month, so that is saying something.

It all pretty much agrees with my understanding, and I don't find it disagreeable at all. Those things make alot more sense than "hell".

Personally, I think we are in "hell" now, as the church describes it anyway. We suffer from our sins now, and suffer in a world full of sin. Satan is the prince/ruler of this world and so forth. All the things you find about hell I see on earth in certain places etc.

The only thing I can think of is that none of the places people go are actual "places". When you are unconscious, then you are no where, non existent as a soul and so forth. This is somewhat highlighted in Job where is says "remember me then". Because without getting in too long of a post, we are basically just "thoughts" of the father, "what ifs" and so forth.

Also, when it says comes to the graves and they rise etc, and then if they reject god after that, then 2nd death. I can explain this. What happens is they are risen up and when they are risen up they will that time know the truth and have understanding. People today live in darkness and without understanding on this earth, so they are excused(gotta learn and experience this evil to gain knowledge). If at that point you reject things, then you are just plain "wicked". Then you've gone from being ignorant and blind, to just being ignorant.

This is why Jesus says blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. When they are risen from the grave, then they will know the truth, and they will accept it and not reject the father. Only those who know the truth and reject it(wicked) need to worry.

As well, all things of the father will return. ALL things. That means all our souls and so forth. When it talks about being the grave and not wisdom and such not being present, it's because god is no longer present in them(god within us is what gives us those things). When the soul dies, it just means you have been absorbed by the father, where as the living soul maintains it's individuality(although eventually even those will return to the father, another topic tho).

didn't god send satan to go rule in hell.

Does that mean that heaven and those in it are not of the physically dimension but when Satan was cast out of Heaven he was cast down to earth to rule in " Hell "....


Jesus was sent / carnated into hell in order to show us/ let us know that this existance is not the only way and that by being more than we think we are and striving to become better and develope as humans, we can leave this existance and become one with those in Heaven ( A Higher dimension,...a less physically dependent dimension ).


I also have heard theories that Satan/Lucifer was sent her to play the role of bad guy so that we could learn to be good and pure and to resist bad temptations.


I personally think these lucifer and mythical gods are just other way more advanced civilizations putting our species to a Huge test to see if we are worthy of becoming part of the galactic society.


They want to know if they can trust us, if we can trust ourselves, and if we are truely peaceful as they can not let us make a mistake that could harm or hinder the progress of the rest of intelligent life within our galaxy.

reply to post by moocowman


Priceless!!!

Atheists and JW's both promoting the idea that separation from God does not exist!

Originally posted by moocowman

People that believe in hell have to get to grips with the fact that if it were real, it would have to be created by their god. As their god created it, then this implies the possibility of an outcome that god had not predicted and if that is the case then yes that could be called free will but would negate the omniscience of their god.

Excellent point, I never thought about that before.
God creating a real Hell is not in harmony with his perfect justice and love.
Thus any burning in the "lake of fire" the bible talks about after death is symbolic. Not a literal physical place of God's design.

Originally posted by teapot
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Priceless!!!

Atheists and JW's both promoting the idea that separation from God does not exist!

It is kinda ironic but I'm just making an observation and not necessarily promoting one thing or another.

As far as "does not exist goes " perhaps it is better put "cannot exist".

Incidentally Blue Jay mentions "Justice", once again justice cannot be a concept of a god that is the creator of everything and this said same god being pure love.

Justice would imply injustice which again would have to be created by god or negate gods omniscience.


At the end of the day there are but 3 options, 1 there is no god and we have to find a way to explain the existence of everything.

2 There is but one god that created everything, then we have to accept that everything means literally all that there is,was or will ever be, implying that there is noting that god is not.

3 There must be more/something other than god which means that god is not the creator of all that there is and is no longer a god in the Abrahamic sense.