Secret Homeland Security Threat Assessment Labels Gun Owners Potential Terrorists

reply to post by tac109


I believe there are more ex-military than there are current military or police in this country.

The PTB are aware of this little fact and I don't plan on visiting the V.A. either. I, as well as many others don't trust it anymore and with good reason. Want a shot? (We have the vaccine just for you!) How about some Codex Alimentarious? Just for you too! The PTB have gone insane and you are their victims.

Man cannot be entrusted with too much power and authority, hence 'seperation' of powers. The founders of America were quite aware of the abuses of the past though many retired penniless defending the sovereignty of their people. The rest sold out their country. Their children today are to be slaves if they don't defend themselves. Freedom is never Free and blood has a price in itself.

Hence, panic and for good reason.

Regardless of what the NWO folk pull out of their 'hat', those (soldiers, deprogrammed) which swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights, are the very ones to see it does NOT go through.

NWO will ultimately fail but at what cost to humanity?

It's your choice, now or later; more innocent blood or less.

It's the choice of the 'Individual'.

You know what's right if you look 'inside'.

What would your children have to say? Are they to suffer the consequence from the actions, or lack of, of their forebearers? How often is history to repeat itself? Has not every Tyrant met a bitter End. Human Natural Law 'always' prevails in the End.

Are humans not embarrassed to be humans? Have they not learned from the mistakes of the past? Why not? Who wrote those history books full of lies and deceit and to what End? Did the educators dare to question that which they knew/discovered to be false or did they choose to chide along with the sys-tem? It's disgraceful! There are far too many Cowards today in the world. If the Righteous don't stand up they are to be destroyed within or without; likely both.

They set aside their Sapience for the 'fix' of the temporal.

Is your child to be a slave unto another?

You have a 'choice'.



[edit on 14-4-2009 by Perseus Apex]

uhhmm...one question...why don't we ever hear about a lefty liberal walking into a church, school, business, shooting and killing, multiple ordinary, innocent civilians? i guess that information has been suppressed.

I'm not surprised at all; although IMO a measure that would immediately jeopardize gun ownership in this country is in the near future, the easiest way to control/regulate/etc the right of a citizen to bear arms is through the pocketbook, i.e. astronomical weapons/ammunition tax, specialized weapon fingerprint systems that cost more than the weapon itself, etc. I think BHO himself is eyeing these measures as we speak...

Originally posted by sinister_scarecrow
I agree totally, congress dismissed also and now we have the Patriot Act 2 and there's nothing patriotic about it. It seems (if you read into it) this is also an affirmation that they are after the internet. They claim that it is a way for extremists to coordinate strikes and this is what makes it more dangerous. I heard that they were going to "restructure" the internet and that all data would first go through Motorola servers and sites like this would be no more.This, of course, might call for a large grid-based failure of the electrical system in America, which was tested not too long ago and blamed on Canada. Essentially they would control ALL free thought on the internet and there would be no P2P or conspiracy sites...only business and gov't control over content.When Motorola says something doesn't go through, it doesn't go through. Anyone want to expound on these theories?

It seems that they aren't even bothering to use outside sources to cover for them. Their 'Cyber-Czar' is gonna ride this beast... right into the ground.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by jimmyx
uhhmm...one question...why don't we ever hear about a lefty liberal walking into a church, school, business, shooting and killing, multiple ordinary, innocent civilians? i guess that information has been suppressed.

If I follow your logic "gangstas" committing a large scale drive by shooting should be labeled as conservative gun owners.

A comment like this clearly indicates that you are allowing the the media to shape your views like a ball of clay. Sorry buddy, Mental disorders do not discriminate or afflict a particular political party.

Case in point:

The Heath High School shooting occurred at Heath High School in West Paducah, Kentucky, United States, on Monday December 1, 1997. Fourteen-year-old Michael Carneal opened fire on a group of praying students killing 3 girls and wounding 5 others.

How about the Columbine shooting? What was the party affiliation of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold? They were depressed/mentally ill teens who fell over the edge.

Virgina Tech Shooting:

Cho, a senior English major at Virginia Tech, had been diagnosed with and was treated for a severe anxiety disorder in middle school and continued receiving therapy and special education support until his junior year of high school. While in college in 2005, Cho had been accused of stalking two female students and was declared mentally ill by a Virginia special justice.[3] At least one professor had asked him to seek counseling.

No indication of his party affiliation.

This shooting and many others like it could have been minimized if concealed carry was allowed on the college campus.

I can, definitely, see something like this happening. Especially with them labelling law abiding gun owners!!






My brother tells me he is not worried......I, personally, believe he is to wrapped up in his own world to see what may be ahead for all of us.

[edit on 4/14/2009 by Champagne]

reply to post by kozmo


I don't hoard guns since I don't like them personally, but I do have a variety of close combat weapons (impact batons, knives, and yes, swords.... dunnow if you can call mace a weapon, but I have it as well) wonder if they'd label me a terrorist heh! I'd love to see the messiah try and take away my weapons

Interesting note from history we should all remember. Our forefathers were also considered terrorists and traitors since they were still considered to be under "british rule". So being labeled a terrorist by the govt. for supporting the ideals of our founding fathers only makes our govt. look more like the tyrannical british crown of 1776.

I say we get this second war of independence on the way and stop dilly dallying/postponing it any longer.

"Give me Liberty! or give me Death!"

reply to post by Question



You got that right!

This crap is getting out of control. Manual, after manual are being released saying that the general population is to be labeled 'terrorist'.

So what about an off-duty police officer who has his own personal war closet at home? Is he a terrorist?

This is just crazy.

The only violence I worry about is the violence the federal and state governments have meted out to innocent or complaining citizens.

Lincoln called ours "government of, by and for the People" - refering to We the People of the preamble to the Constitution.

The Fedgoons have long since assumed the airs of "rulers", presumably via some divine right of kings theory, and have assigned us peasants to the role of supporting them - unquestioningly, uncomplainingly, and most important, unthreateningly.

They can burn in hell. It's time to press CTRL-ALT-DELETE on the entire monstrosity.

Call me, The Spirit of '76

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


A couple of weeks ago, I had the police come to my house after I called 911, about a very weird and odd event at 12:00am.

Anyway, when the 911 dispatch was on the phone with me, he asked me 2 times, if I had any guns in the house.

Being the person I am, but also wondering why - this dispatcher needed to know that information...... I of course told him "No". As my mind was going through all the reasons he wanted to know that information.

He again, wanted to confirm with me about any guns........ hhhmmmm - I said "No" again..........................

Now, my questions are.... why did he want to know that? Second..... what would have happened, had I told him "Yes"?

I understand the police need to know what type of situation they are walking into with a homeowner, but the way the question was asked, I am just not sure, if there was more to wanting that information, than what was on the surface of it.

These days and times, I just don't feel - any publizing to authorities about guns in a house is a completely smart thing to do, maybe I am wrong, but it is the way I feel.

As a gun owner, I'm torn.

Partly I want to scoff at this as ridiculous - on the other hand, having been on ATS lately and read lots of posts by people who are eager to start shooting at their "liberal" neighbors for gun control laws that aren't happening, and a "communist takeover" that isn't happening...

Well if it were my job to analyze terrorism threats, I'd be an idiot to ignore the fact that large parts of the right wing are going completely off the rails since Obama's election, and are primed for violence and openly arguing for armed insurrection.

You know, I don't see the average gun owner setting up roadblocks, oh excuse me, 'safety check points', to harass people under the guise of catching drunk drivers.
I don't see John and Jane Q Gunowner tazering people because they fail to comply with their demands.
I don't see gun owners beating people with clubs, surveilling people without justification, planting evidence, lying on the witness stand, covering up their 'accidents', and just pushing people around because they can.

Now, I ask you, who is the real terrorist here?

reply to post by kozmo

Exactly. Gun owners are logical targets, they do have the weaponry!

I'd fear them quicker than say, pe shooters or people who like to hoard and throw old potatoes....

Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira

...rather it's talking more about right-wing, anti-authoritarian, American paramilitary groups like the former "Michigan Militia" whom Timothy McVeigh was associated with.



[edit on 13/4/09 by The Godfather of Conspira]

Timothy McVeigh was not a militia member. That notion originates from the same propaganda source as this report.

There is nothing "former" about the Michigan Militia.

I don't know if you guys read the same report I did, but once again I did not see one line that related law abiding citizens with guns to terrorists. You crazies are blowing this WAY out of proportion. Our country needs documents like this in circulation, and we also need to learn from our past ...ie the Oklahoma bombing which seemed to have the same scenario for what is going on now. Why is it a bad idea to investigate Extremist groups such as Neo Nazis?

Im tired of the paranoia so im going to state a few things to let all of you think about what i like to call "The Truth". (And i will tie in these gun laws a bit later down)

Has anyone here actually took the time to watch people? Its not creepy or wrong all your doing is what we do subconsciously trying to learn from our environment. SOCIOLOGY... Do you know how hard it is to stand up for truth these days?? When you can get sued for anything, when the laws are created to protect those who have made it to the top?!

Well first off those at the top have worked hard to get there, some have #ed over other people to get there but none the less they have gotten there and they will not let go of a good thing, unfortunately for them less than 1% of the people on earth ARE those wealthy people, as the world grows resources diminish, mankind will survive but which ones of us will be included... Statistically speaking violence increases in warmer months, the warmer the months the more aggressive people get, HAVE ANY OF YOU EVER BEEN CLAUSTROPHOBIC?? Well thats what is happening in this world.

Gradually over time our species worked hard together because it is what it meant to survive and thrive (as a species), after necessity to ensure our survival (because we were well beyond that) we started fighting each other to ensure that each of us would survive over the other. Well now it has gotten more complicated, because as our technologies increase and the size of our societies increase we as a people have seperately started to destroy our planet via pollution, "co2", etc etc. Co2 is only going to increase unless we do something... but a better thing for you all to think about is if we are Oxygen deprived and breathing in too much CO2 our bodies kinda get chaotic and we resort to acting like primitive animals as we lose the balance of control. So why in an overcrowded, hateful, polluted, fearful, sheep herder led world would the Government worry about gun laws?? Well let me tell you,

It is because the government knows more than all of you, they have the best researchers, they have the smartest people working together to provide to our country as UTILITARIANISTLY as possible (Provide the most good for the most amount of people). Our WORLD is LEADING to the NEED in gun control laws. I live in the country with a bunch of ignorant rednecks who think they know whats going on, they are afraid for their lives, they are like little kids who have been told stories of monsters, they are threats to society should society fold (In which it is gradually doing over time). All the chaos seems to be escelating up until 2012 right? Why is that? Well because the geography of the planet is about to get chaotic, the Government knows this, subconsciously we know this... and all you PARANOID people here worrying about the Governemtn plotting to kill you need to get overyourself. They are not plotting to kill you, the government thrives on intelligent people thinking for themselves, (mostly why all of you are here I suspect). They have to remain in power to control our world, a lot of you worry about UFOS and stuff but that is the least of our problems, as we advance into a very powerful society we have to be seperated from our Animal Instincts and Fearful selves... these things hold us back. Iran and Israel, i mean face it. Religion is an orchestrated event, it always has been, how can there be so many and they all work for so many people?? It is because we are conditioned to feel that way. We have spirits and there is another life after this one, but we have to do the best with this life that we can. SADLY most people are afraid and are only worried about their survival, not the survival of our species... that mindset hinders our evolution... so back to UFOs... if there truely are intelligent beings out there.... and I believe that there are... WHY wont the Government tell us about them? Because of ignorant and uneducated people. We are a threat to Universal order because we are only a new species and we are like the phoenix, destructive yet beautiful...

So a summary... Our species is a young species, as we push forward as a species we have to overcome some obstacles, society was hoping we would be ready at this point but we arent yet, we are becoming over populated too fast and too soon and the Government has to create laws that will protect many people... those LAWS... for now are Gun Laws... Get over the paranoia, the Govt isn't out to get you, its out to get justics, so if you are a threat to society be afraid, if your not then quit ranting horrible and negative things. Beleive in yourself and believe in our species. That is all you need to do, quit getting snared into fearmongering.

thats my opinion anyways.

Here is a little bit of the Declaration of Independence.....Maybe it is time for "US" the "PEOPLE" to change things....As it says in this document, it is our DUTY to change the governement by whatever means we see fit...

The government SHOULD be afraid of the people...IT IS OUR RIGHT

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

reply to post by rjmelter


No offense, but you are exactly the sort of person I fear. You believe that the 'government' has all the answers, 'the best and the brightest'. Horse****! The government is where you go when you are lazy, incompetent, and non-productive.
Look at any engineer, doctor, nurse, or lawyer that works in a government position. The bar is set so low in government jobs it's amazing this nation has survived this long!
Oh, and as for sociology, it's nonsensical, pedestrian observations and no more a science than reading tea leaves, it's interpretation. Dubious, Weber, Kant, psuedo-scientist that make Freud look competent.

I like my philosophy based in logic and weapons at my side and loaded. Try some Plato and Socrates and drop the Marx and Dubious.

reply to post by traderjack


Cunning... is but the low mimic of wisdom.
Plato

And another

Any man may easily do harm, but not every man can do good to another.
Plato

and another

And what, Socrates, is the food of the soul? Surely, I said, knowledge is the food of the soul.
Plato

All men are by nature equal, made all of the same earth by one Workman; and however we deceive ourselves, as dear unto God is the poor peasant as the mighty prince.
Plato

A state arises, as I conceive, out of the needs of mankind; no one is self-sufficing, but all of us have many wants.
Plato

Well it appears to me sir that you do not know your Plato... do a little more research before you post his name, i dont think Plato would like you careless throwing his name in with your ignorance