Congress to Revive Hate Crime Bill to Censor Christians

reply to post by cindy22761


I am a Christian but dont go out and stand out on the corners condemning others even if they choose to or are manipulated to be gay, simply because it will just anger them and it wont change them at all. Change comes by the way we live and admitting we are NOT perfect just because we are Christians. I will sign the petition against hate crimes, but to know exactly what a hate crime is will obviously be distorted simply because we feel homosexuality is not the way relationships and marriage were or ever will be meant to be in the first place. That is how we feel and NOT hate.

I hear that. Finally a Christian who understands. -nods- You are one of the few that I respect. Im happy to know that there are still good Christians out there who wont condemn me to hell.

Originally posted by skeptic1
From your source:

No more will your pastor be able to declare the truth about Islam or homosexuality because it will be considered a hate crime.

I am all for free speech, but not for hate speech.

I don't think people should be thrown into jail for their views, but spewing hatred and bigotry and ignorance has no positive impact on society.

I've not read all the posts in this thread yet, but you guys are absolutely correct.

As a pagan, who respects the beliefs of others so long as they don't do something stupid like try converting the nonconvertible.

Am sick and tired of Christians who also treat any belief that is non Christian as though evil somehow.

Especially us pagans and mystics!

Far too many Christians spout a load of absolute rubbish about witches and worlocks and mystics, even shaman and i get very annoyed about their prejudices towards anybody who isn't Christian.

Comrade Tony Blair here in England, afforded pagans in the UK rights against religious persecution back in 2004, by then it was too late for me as i had my family torn apart by social workers back in 1994-5 who accused me of being a Satanist because i am a Neopagan pantheist of Celt descent, at the tail end of the Cleveland (UK) witch hunts.

But to see Christian rhetoric which is based in prejudice and which incites hatred towards non Christians from Hindus to Celtic pagans/Wicca, challenged by law, to protect everybody from their obtuse and basic perceptions of life and morality which ends up with innocent people of new age or alternative beliefs persecuted in a Christian dominated system and society, albeit losing numbers in ever decreasing circles every year as people find out truths from the archaeological records in Europe and the Middle East, showing not least that most of what construes Christian belief is actually pagan beliefs rewritten in the name of Christianity, same as throughout history Christians plonked churches etc on our most sacred sites to dominate Celt pagans and Druids etc, across Europe, not the friendly and peaceful conversion to Christianity they want us to believe but a bloody subjugation and slaughter of our warriors and spiritual castes and all sorts is now known from significant archaeological findings in the past few decades which show history as told is mostly piffle and romanticised fictions obfuscating barbaric truths.

I have found too many of those who are followers of Christianity who haven't actually studied it, tend to use it as an excuse to be vile and hateful then reconcile their hatred as being the will of god, all my life i've seen people citing themselves as Christian and good people but who've got a terrible attitude towards anybody non Christian, they enable eachother in employment tending to discriminate where possible and they apply their dogma and morality far too much when in positions of power and authority.

Christianity is not the only religion on the planet and they should ruddy well stop behaving as though it is.
Especially when it comes to doctors, police, social services and charities etc. Too many Christians do not have a clue really, all the religion is to them is an excuse to be prejudiced towards others with acceptance of mob rule.

I am glad to see any legislation's, anywhere, which puts Christians with over sized ego's who think that they are special because of their beliefs, back in their box so they understand they have the same responsibility to respect all others as anybody else, they cannot simply be hateful towards homosexuals, Muslims, mystics or pagans, just because they are different to them, just the same as racism isn't acceptable.

Just as Comrade Blair had my full support on this when he was Prime Minister, i fully support your Congress in this as well.

Good move guys!

May the socialist Obama administration lead the USA to many more enlightened paths, more power to ye.

Originally posted by cindy22761


The Hate Crime bill is growing...

Many of you non-Christians will be happy to know that Christians are about to be censored. As you stand up and cheer I would like to remind you that more hate crime bills that censor speech could soon be coming your way too. Can speech be censored for atheist too. You betcha!

www.thevoicemagazine.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

I'll take the bad with the good, as long as the Xtians shut up with their god-bothering.

This is what happens when you get your information from fundimentalist fear mongers.

Nowhere in the article do they give the actual text of the bill that will 'censor christians'. And there is a reason for that.... they are lying.

If you are at all interested in the truth, the entire bill can be read here

www.govtrack.us...

or if you prefer the summary -- that is here
www.govtrack.us...


NowPay particular attention to Section 8: Rules of Construction which says

Nothing in this Act, or the amendments made by this Act, shall be construed to prohibit any expressive conduct protected from legal prohibition by, or any activities protected by the free speech or free exercise clauses of, the First Amendment to the Constitution.

Since Section 8 specifically says that nothing in the bill should be taken to prohibit anything protected by the first amendment, that would mean that christians can say whatever they want -- no matter how hateful.


I hope the person who started this thread will send a note to he or her source correcting them





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Originally posted by SemperParatusRJCC

1. Sarah Reynolds
William Jameson
and no it wasn't only 20 people and they were male and females burned.

I'm sorry, you are correct,

it was 19

FACT

Originally posted by Aermacchi

Originally posted by SemperParatusRJCC

1. Sarah Reynolds
William Jameson
and no it wasn't only 20 people and they were male and females burned.

I'm sorry, you are correct,

it was 19

You are insane. You are thinking im referring to the salem witch hunt. Im talking about the persecution of witches in Europe where my kin were burned mercilessly. By the way, In Salem they were hung, not burned.

heres the proof



FACT
So get your facts straight. You are right about there being 19 Casualties, in Salem. You fail. thats another FACT.

Originally posted by Aermacchi

Originally posted by SemperParatusRJCC

1. Sarah Reynolds
William Jameson
and no it wasn't only 20 people and they were male and females burned.

I'm sorry, you are correct,

it was 19

FACT

Thank God for pointing that out. It is so much better that ONLY nineteen people compared to twenty were killed for absolutely no reason other then Christian Bigotry. FACT.

Take your high and mighty attitude, and find a dark moist place to shove it, preferably on your own body.

(EDIT) Actually, you would probably enjoy that, so never mind.

[edit on 8-4-2009 by UrsusMajor]

reply to post by cindy22761


What I want to know is, what exactly is in the Bill that you are so oppossed to? Can you link the proposed bill?

reply to post by DeltaPan

Christian rhetoric which incites hatred - DeltaPan"

Aermacchi's translation = I hate all Christians

Am sick and tired of Christians - DeltaPan"

Aermacchi's translation = I fell asleep in my own vomit because I am sick and tired from hating all Christians

Far too many Christians spout a load of absolute rubbish - DeltaPan"

Aermacchi's translation = The truth hurts

i get very annoyed about their prejudices - DeltaPan"

Aermacchi's translation = I feel naked and ashamed

Christian rhetoric is based in prejudice - DeltaPan"

Aermacchi's translation = because it takes one to know one

most of what construes Christian belief is actually pagan beliefs rewritten in the name of Christianity- DeltaPan"

Aermacchi's translation = When I was 6 years old, I think a Christian stole my Bike

innocent people of new age or alternative beliefs are persecuted in a Christian dominated system and society- DeltaPan"

Aermacchi's translation = I got kicked off little league because I threw like a girl. Later my mum told me the coach was a damn christian. Grrrrrr!

I have found too many of those who are followers of Christianity who haven't actually studied it, tend to use it as an excuse to be vile and hateful - DeltaPan"

Aermacchi's translation = I hated the bully who used to take my milk money in grade school. Later my Pop told me the guy that always did that was a damn Christian Grrrrrr!

all my life i've seen people citing themselves as Christian and good people but who've got a terrible attitude towards anybody non Christian - DeltaPan"

Aermacchi's translation = Christians are SOOO IM-Mature

Christians do not have a clue really, all the religion is to them is an excuse to be prejudiced towards others - DeltaPan"

Aermacchi's translation = And I feel naked and ashamed again

I am glad to see any legislation's, anywhere, which puts Christians with over sized ego's who think that they are special because of their beliefs, back in their box - DeltaPan"

Aermacchi's translation = My fleshly lustful advances being rebuffed, my prom date confirmed my inadequacy. Later,, my friend Alec told me

the biotch was a Christian !! GRrrrrr

understand they (Christians) have the same responsibility to respect all others as anybody else, they cannot simply be hateful towards homosexuals, Muslims, mystics or pagans, just because they are different to them, just the same as racism isn't acceptable - DeltaPan"

Aermacchi's translation = Kettle!! Meet Delta-POT!


BTW, Delta,,

Jesus Loves you

!

Originally posted by Aermacchi

BTW, Delta,,

Jesus Loves you

!

BTW Aermacchi, Jesus finds you to be an arrogant bigoted ass. Prove me wrong.

(EDIT) But, BTW, he still loves you.

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Originally posted by UrsusMajor

It is so Thank God for pointing that out.much better that ONLY nineteen people compared to twenty were killed for absolutely no reason other then Christian Bigotry. FACT.

Sorry guy but I think one more un-necessary death is one too many.

Take your high and mighty attitude, and find a dark moist place to shove it, preferably on your own body. Actually, you would probably enjoy that, so never mind.

Don't be so presumptuous, I am nothing like you

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Originally posted by Aermacchi


Don't be so presumptuous, I am nothing like you

Finally, something we can agree on. No worries, you will eventually mature, probably,...well,...

Second line.

Originally posted by UrsusMajor

BTW Aermacchi, Jesus finds you to be an arrogant bigoted ass. Prove me wrong.

Can't, if I am guilty of one sin I am guilty of em all but J.C. and I,,

we koO

Originally posted by Aermacchi

Originally posted by UrsusMajor

BTW Aermacchi, Jesus finds you to be an arrogant bigoted ass. Prove me wrong.

Can't, if I am guilty of one sin I am guilty of em all but J.C. and I,,

we koO

You bet. Nothing a few Rosaries can't fix anyway. Hail Mary.

There is a big difference between someone stating that they personally don't agree with homosexuality (free speech) and the organized demonization of homosexuality by any church (hate speech).

At some point in the future, the church will be viewed in the same way that we see Witch Doctors now. (That's European Witch Doctors, not African).

Originally posted by spellbound

OK, just recapping a lot of different posts here:

Obama is bad news.
Targetting Christians proves that he is the anti-christ or a minion of his.
We are in the end time awaiting the Apocolypse.

Nobody is targeting christians with this bill.
Nobody is trying to censor christians with this bill.

Although I don't believe it's necessary to have a hate crime bill at all, all this bill does is add a few classes of people to existing hate crime legislation.

Don't believe the info the OP has posted.

WOW this has taken off as I imagined it would....

People, All Crimes are Hate Crimes.
That is why we don’t need the hate crime bill.

Everyone calm down... take a deep breath & think before you speak (write).

Hate Crime Laws do remove Free Speech. If what you "speak" is perceived as "hateful" by anyone then you can be charged with multiple crimes. This is a way to silence people. ALL People. Removing free speech is censorship.

"Hate crime" laws work this way: They add penalties to a criminal sentence if the criminal is also convicted of having "hateful" intent toward the victim.

Ultimately, "hate crime" laws punish only beliefs or thoughts.
....i.e. "He said this and I think it is hateful".......

I do NOT agree with censorship or the hate crime bill.

Hate-crimes legislation will also take our laws too close to the notion of thought crimes. It is true that the hate-crime laws that exist presently cover acts, not just thoughts. But once hate crime laws are on the books, the law-enforcement apparatus of the state will be delving into the accused's life and thoughts in order to show that he or she was motivated by bigotry. What kind of books and magazines were found in the home? What internet sites were bookmarked in the computer? Friends and co-workers will be interviewed to discern the accused's politics and worldview. The point here is that such chilling examples of state intrusion are avoidable because hate crime laws are unnecessary in the first place.

All totalitarian countries employ "thought crime" laws that criminalize the conscience. Now, under "hate crime" laws that include "sexual orientation," even Western nations with long traditions of freedom, such as the United States, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and Sweden, are experiencing more and more challenges to basic freedoms.
Hate-crimes legislation will also take our laws too close to the notion of thought crimes. It is true that the hate-crime laws that exist presently cover acts, not just thoughts. But once hate crime laws are on the books, the law-enforcement apparatus of the state will be delving into the accused's life and thoughts in order to show that he or she was motivated by bigotry. What kind of books and magazines were found in the home? What internet sites were bookmarked in the computer? Friends and co-workers will be interviewed to discern the accused's politics and worldview. The point here is that such chilling examples of state intrusion are avoidable because hate crime laws are unnecessary in the first place.
Hate crimes or violence motivated crimes implicate criminal law doctrine and theory, issues of federalism, definitions of equality, and questions of free expression.

MORE References:

www.cwfa.org...
www.cato.org...
papers.ssrn.com...

Seems as though the majority of posters in favor of any legislation to limit speech are against freedom in general.

Your decision making ability is outright flawed if you are in favor of censorship.

As mentioned by the OP, no matter what your opinion, this is a slippery slope.

Which is better (easier)in the long run? Change the Channel or Give Up Your Freedoms?

I would never move to silence anyone. Christians, New Agers, Atheists, Democrats, Moaists should all be able to say what is on their mind.

Think, don't hate. Your kids will thank you for it.

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Originally posted by Aermacchi

Originally posted by jfj123

God did not make them gay. No person on this earth has ever been created homosexual.

1. Prove it.
2. God made us all in his image so did he make a mistake with gay people? If god isn't perfect then what other mistakes has he made?

So you think God DID make them gay? Mmmm interesting,,

I don't know and neither do you.
I do know according to christian belief, we are made in his image. Did god, a perfect being, make a mistake by accidentally making gay people? God did make everything right? That would include gay people as part of everything

Tell you what, since you are accusing God of making them gay and the guy yu are responding to says God didn't make them gay. I would think the burden of proof is on you to prove God made them gay.

The person said god didn't make them gay, I just asked him to back up his statement so the burden of proof is on him. Why should I have to disprove his statement? That would equate to guilty until proven innocent.

Now unless you can prove god put a gun to one of these gay guys heads forcing them to depravity, you won't be looking so cocky (no pun) .

What if god designed them gay?

Other than that I hope your info on evolution is better than your knowledge of the Bible because if it isn't, you'll lose that one even more than you would have when I thought you might.

Actually I barely posted any info on evolution as this is really not the thread for that. If you want to discuss evolution in another thread, let me know

The bible also states that it's ok to throw your daughters out into an angry crowd as a diversion to protect your guests

No it doesn't, you are wrong

genesis 19-20
1 Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground. 2 And he said, “Here now, my lords, please turn in to your servant’s house and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise early and go on your way.”
And they said, “No, but we will spend the night in the open square.”
3 But he insisted strongly; so they turned in to him and entered his house. Then he made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate.
4 Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. 5 And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally.”
6 So Lot went out to them through the doorway, shut the door behind him, 7 and said, “Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly! 8 See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof.”