Congress to Revive Hate Crime Bill to Censor Christians

Originally posted by greshnik
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

 

Search for Kent Hovind...and learn not only the truth about "evolution theory", but about your life.

Kent Hovind? The convicted fraudster? The man who's arguments have been refuted by numerous scholars and even youtube users? I suggest you look up a youtube user named thunderfoot who utterly eviscerated Mr.Hovinds arguments.

Pick your heroes carefully. My.Hovind is an utter disgrace.

EDIT

I have read every one of Hovinds texts and watched his videos and i have myself refuted them all quite easily. However i doubt you would ever bother looking up the evidence. What bothers me about people like you is that you demand others look up people like Hovind but you refuse to look up the counter arguments. Again hypocrisy is a trend with people such as yourself.

[edit on 7-4-2009 by ImaginaryReality1984]

Originally posted by RubberBaron
In my example of Leviticus 20:13, would you really support even the more hardcore interpretations, such as:

# NIV: (New International Version) "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

? TO me that's calling for someones death, I thought even in the USA that was going too far, your freedom of speech isn't completely absolute, "shouting fire in a crowded theatre" is one that isn't allowed.

Calling for peoples deaths is OK?

I am a Christian, and God! I HATE threads like this! The problem I have with most Christians is this: they are real quick to claim their Christianity, but from their actions, it is obvious that they have either - A.) ignored everything Jesus had to say or B.) have not read anything Jesus had to say.

Jesus gave us the example of the woman caught in the act of adultery, a crime in Mosaic Law punishable by death. The MEN that brought her to the Master were very willing to mete out such punishment, but wanted the Master's opinion before executing judgment. The Master turned their hypocrisy around on them and urged their sinless members to cast the first stone, but unfortunately the sinless members were sadly absent that day.

It is important to note that while the woman's sin was identified (adultery) no sin was identified to disqualify the stone casters. EVERY sin disqualified them. Jesus showed us a better way, why can't Christians see that? It is because of Christian retardedness that hate crime bills have gained their popularity.

Will we ever learn?

reply to post by DisgustedOne


I completely respect your view, thank you for being christ like and not just christian as so many have said.

Free speech cuts both ways. So many Christians want the evil atheists banned from criticising them but cannot stand it the other way around.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


Unfortunately, some of my views are not so popular among my Christian friends, but hopefully, I have blessed them with a different way of looking at things. Jesus said it best - "Forgive them, for they know not what they do."

Shalom

Originally posted by JesusSaves2008
jfj123 I just can't help but throw this little tidbit out there....

Evolution is not a proven science, it is a theory.

I'm glad you brought that up.
Let me post the definition of a scientific theory when applied to evolution

In science, a theory is not a guess, not a hunch. It's a well-substantiated, well-supported, well-documented explanation for our observations.2 It ties together all the facts about something, providing an explanation that fits all the observations and can be used to make predictions. In science, theory is the ultimate goal, the explanation. It's as close to proven as anything in science can be.

www.notjustatheory.com...

You will find no such hate as this in the Bible. Thank you.

Actually there is quite a bit of hate in the bible

I don't want to get too far off topic so if you're interested in discussing evolution, start a new thread and I'd be more then happy to discuss it with you

Originally posted by antmax21
I'm not sure if this has been posted. Has anyone noticed these states legalizing gay marriage over the last couple of weeks? Does this bill coincide with the laws that are being passed? Could it be they are setting up gay marriage only in light of creating a bill that infringes upon freedom of speech? I find this very interesting.

Please read the bill in question.
It in no way infringes upon anyone's rights to free speech.

The OP has mislead you about what is in the bill.

Originally posted by greshnik
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

 

Search for Kent Hovind...and learn not only the truth about "evolution theory", but about your life.

"Evolution theory" needs to be proven.

Learn what a scientific theory is and you'll understand why this statement is so silly.

There is ABSOLUTETLY NO EVIDENCE for such a science-fiction theory.

Actually there is more evidence then one person could read in their lifetime.

There is not even ONE SINGLE EXAMPLE that some animal or plant became SOMETHING ELSE??????

If you're referring to transitional species, there are quite a few examples and new examples are being found all the time.

Yes, we evolve but within our OWN KIND and so do all other animals. Big dogs, small dogs, brown dogs, wolves...but they NEVER BECOME ELEPHANTS or DONKEYS. Never. Fish do not "become" snakes. There is absolutely no evidence for that.
Yes, we are all similar, because THERE WAS ONE CREATOR, using similar logic for all of us.
It is totally absurd to even think something like your "evolution theory" (not even Darwin had in mind such a non-scientific, absolutely wrong and miserable "theory".

You really need to take a science class. I don't even know where to start with the above statements.....

And, I will not even discuss with you - I know that you will just say that Kent is in jail, he is a crook, and there are thousands of books about your theory...do you know how many books were written and printed about Karl Marx and F. Engels? About communism? Millions! Half of this wolrd learned their "theory" and lived their lives according to it. Well, that "theory" had MUCH MUCH MORE EVIDENCE than anything ever written about "evolution theory". Still, communism was a WRONG THEORY.

Actually there are tons of scientific evidence for evolution that have been reviewed and tested over and over.
If you really are interested in questions about evolution, here's a site to start with.
www.talkorigins.org...

So is "evolution theory". It is not only wrong, it is ABSOLUTELY WRONG AND WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE.

So if I posted ANY evidence, you would be completely wrong about this comment, CORRECT????

I will not discuss any more. I just don't have the energy to change you or anyone else. Sometimes I just get provoked, but I regret wasting time afterwards...because it is a waste of time. If billions (trillions) of dollars are spent to brainwash people, it is really waste of energy to try to convince them otherwise.

Yes, we can use logic and science all day but you're right. So much money was spent to brainwash you, you'll never open your mind to see the facts

The perpetrators of hate are the lovers of evil.

Hate and go with Satan, or love and go with God.

Your choice.

Originally posted by jfj123

Let me post the definition of a scientific theory when applied to evolution

In science, a theory is not a guess, not a hunch. It's a well-substantiated, well-supported, well-documented explanation for our observations.2 It ties together all the facts about something, providing an explanation that fits all the observations and can be used to make predictions. In science, theory is the ultimate goal, the explanation. It's as close to proven as anything in science can be.

www.notjustatheory.com...

MOST of evolutionary theory is a guess and a hunch NOT of anyones observations but of their interpretations of things many many millions of years ago. This isn't a science it is a religion and theory isn't the ultimate goal unless your theory is one that has come close to being discarded so many times only to be saved by some manufactured evidence to save it from the brink as it has so many times.

The amount of fakes and frauds in this so called science IS the mountain of evidence and I say that because MOST of them confirmed to be frauds are stil being published regardless. Theory is a process not the goal and NO you're wrong about the words status as their can be bad theory, sound theory fallacious theory all kinds so just because something is a theory doesn't mean much and a theory like evolution whose many scientists have the scruples of a used car salesman and a cult like following of atheists who think they have some arbitrary right to never be wrong about science particularly biology.

Ill take you up on your mountain because transmutation won't pass the logical fallacy for assuming the consequent any better than ID or creationsim. Im confidant you can find something in that landfill of speculation they call evidence.

Lets see how your "stuff" stands up to the pure science of mathmatics and Ill wager you it is nothing more than what we have seen from this so called science since the dime store degreed dimwitt Darwin first conjured the fable up in his monkey little mind

Originally posted by Aermacchi
Originally posted by jfj123

Let me post the definition of a scientific theory when applied to evolution

In science, a theory is not a guess, not a hunch. It's a well-substantiated, well-supported, well-documented explanation for our observations.2 It ties together all the facts about something, providing an explanation that fits all the observations and can be used to make predictions. In science, theory is the ultimate goal, the explanation. It's as close to proven as anything in science can be.

www.notjustatheory.com...

MOST of evolutionary theory is a guess and a hunch NOT of anyones observations but of their interpretations of things many many millions of years ago.

The theories initially start off as a guess but through observation, testing, etc... evolution became a theory.
Please feel free to google evolution if you don't believe me.

This isn't a science it is a religion and theory isn't the ultimate goal unless your theory is one that has come close to being discarded so many times only to be saved by some manufactured evidence to save it from the brink as it has so many times.

This has never happened. You obviously are simply not familiar with evolution.

The amount of fakes and frauds in this so called science IS the mountain of evidence and I say that because MOST of them confirmed to be frauds are stil being published regardless.

uhuh...
Look it's obvious you simply don't believe in evolution and no matter how much info I posted on it that can be scientifically confirmed, you still won't believe it. I feel sorry for you.

Theory is a process not the goal and NO you're wrong about the words status as their can be bad theory, sound theory fallacious theory all kinds so just because something is a theory doesn't mean much

In everyday usage, a theory doesn't have a lot of weight but a scientific theory carries a lot of weight.

and a theory like evolution whose many scientists have the scruples of a used car salesman and a cult like following of atheists who think they have some arbitrary right to never be wrong about science particularly biology.

This is what's known as false propaganda. I'll give you an example of how you're wrong.
I am a catholic who believes in evolution. In fact most scientists who believe in evolution also believe in god. Stop making things up to try and support your argument.

[quoet]Ill take you up on your mountain because transmutation won't pass the logical fallacy for assuming the consequent any better than ID or creationsim. Im confidant you can find something in that landfill of speculation they call evidence.
If you'd like to discuss in detail, how you are wrong, start a new thread and I'd be more then happy to post evidence all day long

Lets see how your "stuff" stands up to the pure science of mathmatics and Ill wager you it is nothing more than what we have seen from this so called science since the dime store degreed dimwitt Darwin first conjured the fable up in his monkey little mind

Again, feel free to start a new thread about this subject, please U2U me and I'll be more then happy to post evidence in your thread.

I won't be able to look at it until this evening but I will do my absolute best to post in your thread ASAP. I'll make it a priority.

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How amazing that Congress should revive a hate bill - that is the devil's work.

If you are running a country, hatred of your own citizens should not enter into it.

And if they are into this hate, they should hate everyone and not be discriminating, or else they will have to take themselves to court for being discriminating. This is how ridiculous it is.

OK, just recapping a lot of different posts here:

Obama is bad news.
Targetting Christians proves that he is the anti-christ or a minion of his.
We are in the end time awaiting the Apocolypse.

Originally posted by JesusSaves2008
However I am washed in the blood of the Lamb which makes me the only Jesus some people will ever see.

Since when do you have the right to compare yourself to Jesus anyhow. Thats why your views are warped. You aren't anything like Jesus. You're not jesus, and sure as hell not the last sheperd to knock on my door telling me the error of my ways. Thats why christianity is viewed upon with such distaste. Because of people like you with their holier than thou attitudes. Arent you supposed to be humble. "Be humble while within the presence of the lord." Hes all around you. You're a pastor so your entire being revolves around them. Though you arent humble at all. Your a pompous pitiful malinformed patron of a dying religion.

Originally posted by spellbound
Obama is bad news.
Targetting Christians proves that he is the anti-christ or a minion of his.
We are in the end time awaiting the Apocolypse.

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Oh my goddess... You guys keep saying that. Though the antichrist died long ago. It was Emperor Nero, of the roman empire. -shakes my head- He was the anti-christ and revalations already happened with the fall of the Roman Empire.

Originally posted by jfj123

God did not make them gay. No person on this earth has ever been created homosexual.

1. Prove it.
2. God made us all in his image so did he make a mistake with gay people? If god isn't perfect then what other mistakes has he made?

So you think God DID make them gay? Mmmm interesting,, Tell you what, since you are accusing God of making them gay and the guy yu are responding to says God didn't make them gay. I would think the burden of proof is on you to prove God made them gay. Now unless you can prove god put a gun to one of these gay guys heads forcing them to depravity, you won't be looking so cocky (no pun) . Other than that I hope your info on evolution is better than your knowledge of the Bible because if it isn't, you'll lose that one even more than you would have when I thought you might.

The bible also states that it's ok to throw your daughters out into an angry crowd as a diversion to protect your guests

No it doesn't, you are wrong

With all this hate in your heart, I'd be surprised if god was interested in your soul

Well maybe you need to know him better

reply to post by SemperParatusRJCC


He is coming back - sorry to say.

Hey, he could have been Hitler or anyone, or no-one, or even an Egyptian pharoah as someone suggested - do you really think that he is not coming?

I wish.

Originally posted by SemperParatusRJCC

Originally posted by JesusSaves2008
However I am washed in the blood of the Lamb which makes me the only Jesus some people will ever see.

Since when do you have the right to compare yourself to Jesus anyhow. Thats why your views are warped. You aren't anything like Jesus. You're not jesus, and sure as hell not the last sheperd to knock on my door telling me the error of my ways. Thats why christianity is viewed upon with such distaste. Because of people like you with their holier than thou attitudes. Arent you supposed to be humble. "Be humble while within the presence of the lord." Hes all around you. You're a pastor so your entire being revolves around them. Though you arent humble at all. Your a pompous pitiful malinformed patron of a dying religion.

Oh and what are you homicide,,

the alternative?

PfffT!

Disclaimer: I haven't read all 11 pages of this thread. Wow, don't have that much time! So if this has been covered, please just hush me up.


First off, I'd like to start off saying that I am a Christian. I believe the Bible to be the Word of God, inerrant in it's original presentation. That Jesus Christ was the Son of God, that He lived a perfect life (being fully God, fully human, somehow beyond our understanding), and that when He died, He took the burden of our sins off of us. Raised from the dead, 3 days later, and is now in Heaven (wherever it is, likely outside of time). And through all of this we can have eternal life in Heaven with Him (God).

That is what I believe. (Not the subject of debate here, but I will reference it later).

Now that that's out of the way, I want to first understand why our rights are being taken away. Personally, I don't think the Constitution is respected anymore, nor is it holding any power. The branches of government built up such a fortress around it that it's no longer reaching to the people with it's freedoms.

1) Nothing I have said in my beliefs (at the top of my post) are hate. Please show me if I have.

2) Homosexuality is wrong, in my opinion, however, a non-Christian is not held to this standard God has set. (References to back up upon request).

3) Again, all other religions, atheists included, ARE NOT HELD TO THE STANDARD GOD HAS SET IN HIS WORD (the Bible). (References to back up upon request).

Therefore, this subject shouldn't even be brought up in the first place. It burns me up to hear people condemning the choices that people make who aren't Christians. If however you call yourself a Christian, then you are BY CHOICE, opening yourself to the standard held in the Bible.

Now, with all this said, it's my personal thought that all of this is just a way to censor the Bible, then other religious writings, then by proxy all writings, speech, and other forms of communication can be censored.

The day when you have a government mediator between parties during your Skype, AIM, and email conversations is possible. Don't cheer and throw parties. It's like chess, you have to think several steps ahead.

Think for yourself. Don't be a sponge!!

Originally posted by Aermacchi


Oh and what are you homicide,,

the alternative?

PfffT!

I am the very thing for which Christianity stands against. First off im a witch, so . Thanks dip#s for killing off my kin and burning innocents to the stakes. Secondly I am bi. Therefore am I evil.

I do my best to do whats good for others, not myself. And ive been doing a damned good job at it, even if it means #in myself over in the end. No im not homocide. I am just knowing of the fact that the numbers for practicing christians, is well receding. Just a little bit a day. Hell soon people will be like Christianity??? whats that??? and I will sit back on my throne and laugh as I rule over your souls in hell. Mwahahaha. j/k Do you see how ridiculous you sound. calling one the anti-christ, so quick to point the finger. ive noticed that. with a lot of "Christians" If they # up they will put the blame on someone else entirely.

Originally posted by SemperParatusRJCC

I am the very thing for which Christianity stands against. First off im a witch, so . Thanks dip#s for killing off my kin and burning innocents to the stakes. Secondly I am bi. Therefore am I evil.

Nope you are the very thing Christ came to save.

You say you are witch? I thought you were male. Of the 20 woman that were burned at the stake, which were your kin?

Secondly I am bi.

I didn't ask and it's none of my business

Therefore am I evil.

ok

I do my best to do whats good for others,

I thought you said you were evil?

No im not homocide.

I said "Homicide" NOT "Homocide" (freudian slip?)

I am just knowing of the fact that the numbers for practicing christians, is well receding.

Just as the Bible said it would among other things happening in the last days like blurring of genders, men with men woman with woman, gay marriage becoming a "normal" mode of copulation, mothers killing there own sons and daughters on the alter of abortion tables etc. Most of that I have seen some of you write about but adding "the bible says its ok to do this. I don't bother correcting those whose mission in life it is to be a Christian antagonist.

Do you see how ridiculous you sound.

Look your evilness, I only asked a question remember? The only ridiculous question is the one that goes un-asked.

So what's your excuse?

calling one the anti-christ, so quick to point the finger. ive noticed that. with a lot of "Christians" If they # up they will put the blame on someone else entirely

I never called you anti-christ, and if anyone has called you that, perhaps telling everyone you are an evil witch and the very evil that stands against Christianity, might have a little something to do with that.


Now what was that you were saying about

sounding ridiculous?

Yeah, uh huh

1. Sarah Reynolds
William Jameson

and no it wasn't only 20 people and they were male and females burned.

And witch is a universal term meaning male and or female. Wizards Druids and warlocks are different anyway.

2. It was a question.

3. Like I said it was a question

4. Sorry typo thank you for catching that by the way.
Im not Homicide.

5. I don't antagonize christians I keep my views to myself until someone opens a can of worms, then the SHTF.

6. I wasn't aware I needed an excuse..

7. Meh.... I didnt say you called me the anti-christ. I said calling "one" the anti-christ....

8. Yeah you sound ridiculous. and no I was not pleased with this survey.

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