Support Abortion? Watch this video and please defend your decisions...

I see.

somehow i feel compelled to say: "glad you got out"
I dont know your parents but taking your 13 year old to help you with your agenda, no matter how right it might be (Of course its right, or else you wouldnt pursue it) ... thats just wrong!

Originally posted by jasonjnelson
It's ignorant and pathetic to defend an un-born baby's life?

Until it is born, it is a fetus...

Also, I hold dearly an individual's right to do with their own body as they see fit...

And, though I hold no dogma, I find it interesting that a number of "Gods" in our history (including the Biblical one in the Talmud) have stated implicitly that the soul enters the body UPON FIRST BREATH.

AND... Children that lack love, that are neglected, and/or are abused statistically can be shown to have a vastly higher incidence of sociopathy and psychopathy than children who have been loved and nurtured.

Given that the anti-choice people are gung ho to force a fetus to first breath and then abandon them to the high likelihood of a loveless, neglected and/or abused childhood - this CAN'T be good for society.

It just can't.

Ergo, I conclude that, untill those rabid anti-choicers are ready to provide for, love and nurture every child they force to first breath, it is in our interest to remove the vessels that would hold souls that will be born to torment before we force them to endure that.

[edit on 3/25/2009 by Amaterasu]

The only thing that will ever settle this argument is when science comes to a concensus and declares the moment life begins.....and society agrees with it. Until then, there is no chance at a viable solution.

And, even then, there will be the extremes on both sides of the argument that will continue to argue for the argument's sake.

Personally, I would choose differently depending on the circumstances, and I am thankful to be able to have that choice. That's what it is, a person's choice, not the government's and certianly not society's.

I didn't need to see the video to understand what you're saying. I've seen videos cause I went to a catholic school which I hated because of the way they cram thier views down one's throat. No offense at all to anyone meant, but catholic school turned me off to organized religion in general.


[edit on 25-3-2009 by sugarmonkey]

I just wanted to throw my two cents into this thread...

First of all- Im not going to watch the video.

Second of all, Im Pro-Choice.

Third of all, I was raised catholic and drug to anti-abortion rallies in Washington DC my entire childhood and understand that it is a Pro-Lifers choice to believe that abortion is wrong. Because 99% of Pro-Lifers are Christians, and Christians believe anything someone tells them is truth (like the bible).

I will give my opinion....

I believe Abortion is killing, but not evil- but do you consider it evil when you kill a chicken to eat it as KFC? Do you consider it evil, how animals are treated in this country to provid millions of people with "meat"? Do you consider it evil when you put down a sick animal? Do you consider it evil when you step on an ant hill or hit a bug on your winshield?

Oh you consider human life more 'valuable' than animal life- because it says so in the bible? Huh.

Evil is in the eye of the beholder- and if you believe in a God that likes punishing people for doing "evil" things- then that is all your headtrip. And I feel sorry for you.

I believe in reincarnation. I also, know that a baby's spirit is not fully planted in the Fetus until well into the third trimester. I am against 3rd Trimester abortions (as i believe most other people are aswell). So, Yes- if someone has an abortion and the soul experiences dying- or the soul isnt present in the baby when its killed- either way- it goes right back up to heaven. We all die- whether its in the womb or when were 90 years old.

I believe that the Woman- the Woman has the duty to use birth control to society- but that, alot of women are ignorant and do not use birth control and end up using Abortion as birth control. I think that is wrong, but what I think that is even more wrong- is that the people who have frequent abortions- if they were forced by Federal Law to keep their children- What kind of mothers would they be? Would they be on welfare? Would they be herion addicts? Would they be incest and rape survivors? Would they beat or neglect their children?

In a world where our Human Population is at a staggering rate beyond what the earth can handle- I do believe that it is Federally the best thing for everyone, to allow abortions to continue.


[edit on 25-3-2009 by xynephadyn]

reply to post by skeptic1


Life begins at conception. It's Biology 101.
That isn't an argument you can win.

I am unable to see the video for some reason, but I probably would not be able to handle it. I see that little baby inside the womb as a human being. I have seen babies up on ultrasound monitors. Tiny little babies with little toes and fingers and sometimes a little penis

I believe women have the choice to do what they want with their body. They can get piercings, tattoos and body modification. Wear makeup or have purple hair or no hair at all.

However, once there is another human being growing inside. A separate human being with individual DNA, than I do not believe a woman has the right to take that individuals life. That is an individual life and it is not like an additional limb on the woman's body. That little baby inside is just as dependent on that mother as much as a 6 month old baby is. Neither can survive without someone caring for it. The only difference is one is outside the womb, one is inside the womb. Both are growing. Both have their own DNA.

I know people who have had abortions. I have never belittled them or told them they are horrible. I have never done anything to make them feel like they are horrible people. I have been there for them and hugged them. I will always do this. However, it does not change my feelings that a human being was murdered. I would never tell them that. But it is how I feel. And it makes me so sad and sick to my stomach that a baby human being was tortured and murdered.

With that said, bless everyone who has been in the situation. Sometimes people who are very much against abortion, have in fact been in the very exact situation. Just something to think about.

reply to post by Smack


Science doesn't agree with you in a lot of areas (some will say that is merely the moment existence of an organism begins, not actual life). Society doesn't agree with you. A lot of religions don't agree with you.

From that point, you get into self-sustaining life. When does that begin?

There is no consensus on when "life" begins. That is one of the main problems with both sides of the abortion debate. Until that fundamental factor can be resolved, the abortion debate never will be.

[edit on 3/25/2009 by skeptic1]

Don't need to watch the video. I have my own ideas about abortion. I don't support it except in exceptional cases, like the 9 year old rape victim who was pregnant with twins. I have a friend who had 7 abortions. It wasn't because she was raped, or couldn't afford to have another baby or was unmarried. It was just an inconvenience to her at the time. She had a child already, and later she had two more children. But she refused to use protection and considered abortion as a birth control measure. I find it appalling and disagreed with her, but, hey, it wasn't my decision to make. It was hers.

Originally posted by Smack
reply to post by skeptic1

 

Life begins at conception. It's Biology 101.
That isn't an argument you can win.

Sure, "life" begins then... But if "life" alone was the issue, we would all starve, not wanting to take the "life" of any living thing.

Here is a little more on the scientific (and cultural and religious) views on when life begins.

There is no consensus, even (and especially) in the scientific community.

When does life begin?

Interesting points of view.....and goes a long way in showing how big a gap there is between beliefs and the possibility of a consensus ever coming about.

reply to post by jasonjnelson


Ok, so what if the woman was raped?

Does she still have to have the baby, and be reminded for the rest of her life of the tragic incident that happened to her years ago?

I think not.

It's a womans right to decide whether she wants to have her baby or not.

Originally posted by Draxin
reply to post by jasonjnelson

 

Ok, so what if the woman was raped?

Does she still have to have the baby, and be reminded for the rest of her life of the tragic incident that happened to her years ago?

I think not.

It's a womans right to decide whether she wants to have her baby or not.

But where do you (or someone with similar beliefs) draw the line?

What if she was forced to have that baby due to rape, the baby is born and after a week she can not bare to look at that baby because of the rape. Should she be allowed to terminate that baby's life?

What makes any difference between that baby and a baby in the womb who has a beating heart, brain waves and can hear?

reply to post by inked up


And, when can a fetus in the womb hear? Have brain waves?

It all goes back to when "life" begins. No consensus on that, no resolution to the abortion debate.

And, just because people support a woman's right to choose does not mean that they have to have an abortion or support abortion in all cases no matter what. It is supporting the fact that a woman has the right to end a pregnancy if she sees fit.

reply to post by inked up


Well, she decides to have an abortion, not have the baby.

The baby isn't born yet, therefore doesn't have rights yet.

She didn't ask the man to have sex with her. (You can't rape the willing).

An abortion ruined my life for many years.
I wasn't religious and I still had a bad time with my second trimester abortion!
I killed a human!
NO psychiatrist or counselor could even touch my guilt, self loathing......
And I was so poor, I thought it was the best thing!

Personally i am against abortion and don't say your abortion doesn't affect anyone, because it actually does.

Let's say your son our daughter in the future saw someone being raped and they could had stop it...but sadly that girl who is being raped and probably brutally murder afterwords. Had nobody to rescue her because you decided to go with abortion.

This can be applied to anything also like your kid good had been great scientist and cure aids,cancer,heart problems...etc you understand

Again, debating the abortion issue is debating the symptom.

Eliminate the need for abortion and you eliminate the problem.

Education
access to birth control(not as accessible as you think)
therapy and counseling
ability to provide
family relations

these are just a few of the factors that need to be addressed in order to help avoid an unwanted pregnancy in the first place.

Has any Pro-Choice person here seen the video??? Seems to me that maybe you don't want to know because...................maybe, it would shake up your world a bit.

I am not going to watch it because I'm sure it will upset me. I cry when people and animals die and God knows I've shed many tears over this issue.

I don't blame you if you don't want to see it, but at least be honest with yourself about why.

Knowledge is power. If you want to be ignorant of the facts that's a choice, too.

[edit on 3/25/2009 by sad_eyed_lady]

Hi there, I truly believe that drug abuse, alcohol abuse, sex addiction and rape, are important factors in unwanted pregnancy!

As long as those issues are considered normal and even encouraged, I do not see the purpose in not allowing abortions to balance things out, unless the plan really is to create hell on earth.



[edit on 25-3-2009 by HulaAnglers]