Space storm alert: 90 seconds from catastrophe

reply to post by weedwhacker

Ermmm.....I know it's a mistake to be baited, but.....the Civil War in the USA is not really relevant....to an event in 1859.

I am not not trying to 'bait' you or anybody else.

You asked whether any earthquake activity 'correlated' with the Carrington event ...

The only 'event' which I am aware of which 'correlated' is the American Civil War ...

Take it for what it's worth

reply to post by visible_villain


v_v.....no, won't let you off that easily.

Look at your earlier posts, that refer to events in 1859....as you seem to impugn the OP's thread to something else....no, you wlll NOT get away so easily.

UNLESS you simply troll, for the sake of 'fun'...in which case, you will be found out.

reply to post by weedwhacker

v_v.....no, won't let you off that easily.

Look at your earlier posts, that refer to events in 1859....as you seem to impugn the OP's thread to something else....no, you wlll NOT get away so easily.

UNLESS you simply troll, for the sake of 'fun'...in which case, you will be found out.

OK, I'll bite ...

What's your 'issue' , my friend ?

reply to post by redhead57


".... Modern people flip if the power goes out for an hour, there is little thought of how to survive by those not into this whole world we are aware of. ..."

Interesting observation. Yes we are spoiled by our creature comforts.

Reminds me of a recent story in Kentucky:

Hundreds of thousands of people in Kentucky have been without electricity for their lights, furnaces, ovens and refrigerators since the killer storm hit more than a week ago, and some spots might not get power back for weeks.
But Kentucky's Amish have been living that way all their lives. And when the disaster struck, they generously lent a hand to their non-Amish neighbors and showed them how it's done.

amishcountryjournal.blogspot.com...

Here we call ourselves "advanced" and yet we rely on technology for our most basic everyday survival.

My advice, want to survive? Befriend some kind Amish folk.

Regards.........KK

[edit on 21-3-2009 by kinda kurious]

Fear Mongering Not Informative

Sat Mar 21 23:42:55 GMT 2009 by JB 0311 USMC

Guy's really?

Who pays your checks? This is some junk for the dumb down gen x turds who 99% didnt give a crap about human life anyway (from your systems darwinian eugenics)

Keep them dumb and scared while your really part of the 99% of all humans anyway. Your not The self proclaimed elite, your a cog in the machine that poisions your family everyday, and plan your future, and it's murder.

Wake Up People, Forgive yourself and all the others, lets unite and take down this 1%. Let's launch the true Renisance where all people are healthy and free to pursue education and love. This is the way nature truly evolves, in harmony and peace.

DO NO FORGET THE CONSTITUTION

I have been on here awhile and finally decided to join.I keep seeing 2012 pop up on what seems like everything and the time of 11:11 and am quite dissapointed that no one actually knows what it means.The winter solstice is always on dec. 20th or 21st its on the 21st this year and will be in 2012 11:11 is the universal time for the solstice to occur not the end of the world .You can find the calendars and times for the solstices on almost any astronomy site some even have the solstice and times up until 2040.As far as sunspots and mass ejections these can occur anytime without little warning even while the sun is in deep minimum such as now.All you need is a nice sunspot for one to occur.What some people like to predict for 2012 can happen one second from now it does not have to be a special date around an ancient stone calander that resets to 13.

reply to post by whatshenneping


Hey man, I think you're agreeing with me!?!?!?!?!
Well kinda!?!?!
Maybe!??! Or were you taking the Mickey - pun intended! Double pun if you get me.....

I found it hard to follow those numbers, though I have done many things similar before, for example I bet when I tell you this you will find another connection, I'm actually going to go and make a thread about it, I've had it sitting there for ages and just never got round to uploading....you will see...

But if you're like me then you know that EVERYTHING is tied in, they're just playing everyone and people get worked up of potential sun explosion etc. We all know the PTW are evil, only because they have been manipulated in ways I don't even won't to imagine.....Yet I still love them as I know they are only human, and as we humans can get so involved, all it would take is being shown the path to the wrong door and you too could be in their position, even if you set out with good intentions, which ALL of us here originally did, at least the humans here......

And you know how much they worship the SUN! So it's only common sense to put 2 and 2 together and you see there is a hidden agenda, like they worship the sun and for good reasons, just used in a bad way, if enough people fear the sun then it also justifies their own mind makes them feel better tahn everybody else.

reply to post by Jb0311NY


Couldn't have worded it better myself mate! This is exactly the frame of mind the billions need to end up in, just hope everyone makes it.....

Hmm, the new movie "Knowing" is a more exaggerated version of this. Interesting it's out now. Always lots of possibilities to promote and/or live in fear or pay taxes on the pretext of prevention. Certainly true a strong electromagnetic shock could have some major devastation. Seems like the focus of the report is on the US? If so, I wonder why?

Originally posted by bismarcksea
This is has been along the lines of what I think the "2012" event is.

Not much we can do when the SUN comes a knock'n!

This where the ground dwellers become the Morlocks and
those that survive above ground turn into the Eloi

The question is is it a normal max solar flare or is it an extreme solar flare.

If I remember my history correctly the last extreme solar flare took out 90% of all communication at least in the US not sure about the rest of the world.

It occurred shortly after we had a large network of phone lines, the ones that the operators had to connect you to the calls. Sense then we have not had and extreme solar flare just a min and max each year.

Was it 1998 that took Quebec's electricity grid down? Can't remember the date in the US we got lucky it only affected that grid and it almost caused us to lose power because we are also tied into the grid but were able to circumvent it until they restored power 9 hours later.

2000 we lost a satellite (cable) and there were disruptions to navigation systems.

These have all been solar flares within acceptable limits.

Question is what is the intensity predicted for 2012 considering they are even mentioning it?

Originally posted by Zaphod58
All NASA has confirmed is that we're back at solar maximum in 2012. The last solar maximum was 2001, and absolutely nothing happened. I agree with the poster that says you're going to be seriously disappointed when nothing happens.

I wouldn't exactly that nothing happened in 2001. That was a pretty defining year in human history if you ask me. That year is responsible somewhat for how things are now in 2009.

But if by nothing you mean we didn't all die then and we won't all die in 2012 i would tend to agree with you.

Well,
If it does happen it will take a long time for you to submit a post telling everyone you told them so!

reply to post by LucidDreamer85


Nothing as in nothing remotely like described in the article. 2001 was a solar maximum, and no death destruction and mayhem related to any solar flares.

Originally posted by Zaphod58

We've been through literally hundreds of solar minimums and maximums. The only difference with this one is so many people are freaked out about something horrible in 2012.

Well, not exactly. If you think that you may have missed the point of the article. Which is NOT that these solar plasma storms are naturally devastating to biological life. That is NOT the point of the article. It states that pretty clearly when it says that undeveloped nations would plug along relatively unaffected.

The point of the article is that humans in the first world have become so utterly dependent on technology that anything that threatens our technology also threatens our very existence. These plasma storms threaten our electrical systems. Not us directly. But a meltdown of our electrical system would threaten our society, and result in the lives of many being lost.

I dont know if this is about 2012 paranoia. I have seen similar articles that discuss how a global pandemic could cause a similar situation, as percentages of key individuals are killed off. (power plant operators, other highly skilled workers) The underlying issue is one discussed well and in good detail in the book Collapse, by Jared Diamond. Complex systems that are highly interdependent are very vulnerable to catastrophic collapse.

*spoiler alert*

This is actually the plot to "Knowing"....I know this a conspiracy forum, so I'm just going to come out and say it...but if people read this headline, well, it's a great plug for the movie. True or untrue

To the OP

Starred and Flagged simply because you beat me to the posting of this

But please do try to stick to the facts so the tread stays on topic... and doesn't suck in the trolls

Originally posted by RFBurns
As to 2012...whats the big deal? Thats just another year. But if it makes one feel better, stock up on 2 million UV sunblock now.

Considering that 2012 stuff just made the list at #7 of top conspiracies and now we see a respectable magazine like New Scientist talking about it I would say it is interesting at least...

Considering the new movie "2012" coming out I can expect to see a lot more 2012 related discussion coming up in the next few years...

Here is the trailer...



Now in this article " Space storm alert: 90 seconds from catastrophe"

The opening statement says...

IT IS midnight on 22 September 2012 and the skies above Manhattan are filled with a flickering curtain of colourful light. Few New Yorkers have seen the aurora this far south but their fascination is short-lived. Within a few seconds, electric bulbs dim and flicker, then become unusually bright for a fleeting moment. Then all the lights in the state go out. Within 90 seconds, the entire eastern half of the US is without power.

A year later and millions of Americans are dead and the nation's infrastructure lies in tatters. The World Bank declares America a developing nation. Europe, Scandinavia, China and Japan are also struggling to recover from the same fateful event - a violent storm, 150 million kilometres away on the surface of the sun.

And the photo in the article:

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carries the caption...

A fierce solar storm could lead to a global disaster on an unprecedented scale (Image: SOHO Consortium / ESA / NASA)

So I can see how someone reading this article can think ESA/NASA supports (if not 'confirms') this idea...

NASA originally stated this maximum was due 2010 in the spring but now has pushed this back to 2012...

Scientists Predict Big Solar Cycle

Dec. 21, 2006: Evidence is mounting: the next solar cycle is going to be a big

Solar cycle 24, due to peak in 2010 or 2011 "looks like its going to be one of the most intense cycles since record-keeping began almost 400 years ago," says solar physicist David Hathaway of the Marshall Space Flight Center. He and colleague Robert Wilson presented this conclusion last week at the American Geophysical Union meeting in San Francisco.

science.nasa.gov...

As of Jan 2009 they have made a revision or two...

More revisions to the NASA solar cycle prediction

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On March 4, 2009 Dr. David Hathaway issued a new sunspot prediction for March 2009 which includes sunspot data through the end of February 2009. After no changes in the February 2009 prediction, solar maximum for Solar Cycle 24 was pushed back an additional three (3) months from 2012/10-2012/11 to 2013/01-2013/02. The predicted sunspot number at solar maximum was reduced from 104.9 to 104.0.

wattsupwiththat.com...

Back to the New Scientist article... they posted this image of the expected blackout areas...



What I want to know is how can a solar storm wipe out out transformers?







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Originally posted by Zaphod58

We've been through literally hundreds of solar minimums and maximums. The only difference with this one is so many people are freaked out about something horrible in 2012.

Hmmmm really? If that is true why is this new one called Cycle #24?

Here is the record from NASA

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from
science.nasa.gov...

Solar peak #23 was 2003...

Anyone recall the Northeast Blackout of 2003?

The Northeast Blackout of 2003 was a massive widespread power outage that occurred throughout parts of the Northeastern and Midwestern United States, and Ontario, Canada on Thursday, August 14, 2003, at approximately 4:15 pm EDT (20:15 UTC), with virtually full restoration by the following day. At the time, it was the most widespread electrical blackout in history.[1][2] The blackout affected an estimated 10 million people in the Canadian province of Ontario and 45 million people in eight U.S. states.

en.wikipedia.org...

And look at the intense spike that is #19 in the early 60's...

Anyone remember 'The Great Blackout of 1965"?

The Great Blackout of 1965 caused the power sytems throughout the Northeast to fail, thus plunging New York, Boston and other cities into darkess during the evening rush hour. The blackout origninated at a power plant along the Canadian border, but the failure cascaded through the system.

www.historycentral.com...

Are they related?

I don't know... but it sure is a lot of coincidence... I haven'y yet checked if anything happened on or around the other spikes... but I will now...