HR 1388 just passed

Originally posted by jibeho

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by Hemisphere
Castro did this in Cuba. They essentially took grade-schoolers
away from their families and indoctrinated them to socialism.
The president never served anything beyond NWO interests.
Rahm Emanuel served his country, Israel. These two make
Bush and his National Guard joy ride seem patriotic. Have
the plan start with every college athlete on scholarship and
see how that flies. Start with the Final Four rosters.
Or will inner city hoopsters be excused?

Man... I tell you what... the level of FEAR coming out of you cowards is just disgusting.

If you don't want to serve your country... then leave. There is the door. Go.

Their is a difference between fear and preparedness, fear and mistrust.

I don't have an issue with fear... I have an issue with the LEVEL OF FEAR... it's all about degrees.

You said yourself the words were vague... so what are you fearing? Hyperbole?

This policy has nothing to do with serving your country. If that is all they want they would reinstate the draft.

Wait a minute... are you saying that they only way to serve your country is militarily?

I NEVER want them to reinstate the draft, unless there is a huge difference in who is fighting and who is sending the fighters... I do believe that if the senate votes to go to war, then their children should be affected as well.

However, that's another thread.

This is mandatory service to your country that does not include going to war. I REALLY like this better than the Draft idea you have.

This is forced indoctrination and it won't work. Ever try to force a teenager to do anything?? The more you force the more they resist.

Gee... why send teenagers to school then? You know the more you force.. the more they resist...

I don't understand your point.

When I was a teenager, I didn't want to get up at 4am to drive into the city and go to the Farmers Market, but I did it. And it taught me LOTS. I would not have traded it for the world in hindsight. And by 3pm that day, I didn't have any issue with it... but as a teenager I never wanted to get up at 4. But I did, and am better for it.

I prefer to serve my community and the communities around me. I also choose to serve my family, friends and neighbors. This where I can have the greatest impact.

And as a community Organizer, I believe that's exactly the point of this group.

A coward will sit back and let the govt. fulfill their every need and tell them that everything will be ok.

You seem to think I'm sitting back. I petitioned for this measure. I asked for this measure... I fully 100% SUPPORT this measure.

If you don't like it.. fight it the same way I fought to get it passed.

But don't sit there and act like this is coming out of thin air... millions of Americans petitioned their senators and gov to make this happen.

If you don't like it.. fine... get others to oppose it rationally.. but don't sit there and act like it's happening and no one asked for it...

There are millions like me. God Bless America.

[edit on 20-3-2009 by HunkaHunka]

Forgive me if this was already mentioned, this has gotten too long to read through all, but look at some of the verbage:

SEC. 151. PURPOSE.

‘It is the purpose of this subtitle to authorize the operation of, and support for, residential and other service programs that combine the best practices of civilian service with the best aspects of military service, including leadership and team building, to meet national and community needs. Such needs to be met under such programs include those related to--

‘(1) natural and other disasters;
‘(2) infrastructure improvement;
‘(3) environmental stewardship and conservation;
‘(4) energy conservation;
‘(5) urban and rural development; and
‘(6) other unmet needs consistent with the purpose as described in this section.’.

Section 6 is the part that concerns me as well as this section: sounds like a pilot program for what we know as the mark of the beast:




SEC. 1710. STUDY TO EVALUATE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF A CENTRALIZED ELECTRONIC CITIZENSHIP VERIFICATION SYSTEM.

(a) Study- The Corporation for National and Community Service shall conduct a study to determine the effectiveness of a centralized electronic citizenship verification system which would allow the Corporation to share employment eligibility information with the Department of Education in order to reduce administrative burden and lower costs for member programs. This study shall identify--

(1) the costs associated with establishing this program both for the Corporation and for the Department of Education;
(2) the benefits or detriments of such a system both for the Corporation and for the Department of Education;
(3) strategies for ensuring the privacy and security of member information that is shared between agencies and member organizations;
(4) the information that needs to be shared in order to fulfill employment eligibility requirements; and
(5) recommendations for implementation of such a program.
(b) Consultation- The study shall be carried out in consultation with the Department of Education and other individuals and entities the Corporation considers appropriate.
(c) Report- Not later than 18 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Corporation shall submit to the appropriate committees of Congress a report on the results of the study required by subsection (a), together with a plan for implementation of a pilot program using promising strategies and approaches identified in such study, if the Corporation determines such program to be feasible.
(d) Pilot Program- From amounts made available to carry out this section, the Corporation may develop and carry out a pilot program based on the findings in the report submitted under subsection (c).
(e) Authorization of Appropriations- There are authorized to be appropriated to carry out this section such sums as may be necessary for each of fiscal years 2010 through 2014.

and this part also raises a red flag: esp letter G.
‘(9) DISADVANTAGED YOUTH- The term ‘disadvantaged youth’ includes those youth who are economically disadvantaged and one or more of the following:

‘(A) Who are out-of-school youth, including out-of-school youth who are unemployed.
‘(B) Who are in or aging out of foster care.
‘(C) Who have limited English proficiency.
‘(D) Who are homeless or who have run away from home.
‘(E) Who are at-risk to leave school without a diploma.
‘(F) Who are former juvenile offenders or at risk of delinquency.
‘(G) Who are individuals with a disability.’;

reply to post by jibeho


I’m concerned that Obama’s Civilian National Security Force will be the martial law players. I object to them influencing our youth. Elementary aged kids! Too much! It does say any age. Therfore lots of guys out of work may join, as well. Maybe those who want to play big shot. I wonder if they will wear an arm band to identify these people?

[edit on 20-3-2009 by wonderworld]

Well, people, you can keep hoping that Americans wake up and take up arms against the oppression and corruption running rampant through the halls of our government.

The American people are drugged. Most literally, the rest figuratively. We're drunk on hearing our own voice talk, typing on bulletin boards as if any of this nonsense matters. Righteous Indignation is a dime a dozen on the streets of the internet, someone is always crying havoc but no actions are taken.

Because nobody wants to die for their country. Nobody wants to end up dead in a gutter, shot down by a police officer or a military member who was ordered to "Quell the Rioters". When you weigh watching your friday night programs with being shot at, people look at the raping of their humanity and they cringe, turning their faces away from the raw, visceral destruction of this country.

It is easier that way. It is easier to let them take it all, just so long as you have your bread and circuses, than it is to lift an unsteady sword and charge the firing line. Who wants to die? None of you.

The only thing that might rouse the United States citizenry is looking into the eyes of their children (Mine five years old) and realizing that they may starve someday soon. That they may grow up in a world that has tread on them so thoroughly, that they think the dust in their mouths is freedom... incapable of imagining a bright shining beacon on the hill, a gleaming gem for the world to see and serve as example that all men are created equal, that freedom only exists when we are willing to die when considering the alternative.

"Give me Liberty, or Give me Death," Have any of you taken the time to sit down, shut your traps, and actually just dwell on that sentence? The desire to die, that death itself is better than the alternative... that death MUST be better than the alternative. That is the sentiment that has been discarded.

And for what? Consumerism? Materialism? Governmental and Corporatist Welfare? Mob rule?

I've said a lot of unpopular things in a lot of different topics, but by right of God and all that is holy and sacred, it is my vigilant duty to defend the morally unjust in society... for it is THERE that our freedom is measured. It is THERE that equality can be seen tangibly. If I do not defend my brothers and sisters, no matter how vile and reprehensible their actions, then I do not deserve the soil I was born to... or the flag that flew over my youth.

And I do not deserve the rivers of blood that was spent at immeasurable, sorrowful cost to buy for me the right to be unpopular but living.

So... we won't do anything. Because we have become cowards.

And you know it.

reply to post by HunkaHunka


I'm sorry, I can't believe ANYONE would think it would be good for government to take over our lives this way!
If Community organizations can help inner cities, let them,(Surely they know the difference between humanitarianism and forced servitude!) but let every American be free from government over-stepping.
"Pick up our trash from the DNC!!!"
"But, don't you dare take pictures, civilian, or come near our G-8 summit!"
This is insane.

reply to post by Good2Go


Your quote "Section 6 is the part that concerns me as well as this section: sounds like a pilot program for what we know as the mark of the beast:" Is right on the money compare this to the G20 list of proposals.




Ring a bell?

reply to post by TheColdDragon


You're right you've become cowards, precisely because as you say, "American is drugged" -- literally. Young men of fighting age who aren't serving in our military have one hand on a bong and the other on a joystick. There's not going to be a Revolution, you'll do what you're told and like it. The jokers at Youtube who have the sheer audacity to call themselves Patriots? They make videos of themselves in full combat gear and post about all this stuff they are going to do to destroy the government (move over Paul Revere, LOL), excuse me I have to take a laugh break. I mean, they aren't even smart enough to know that SBI has them screwed blued and tattoed by now. Last time I checked, it isn't standard protocol to tell the whole world you are planning a Revolution. LOL

At least Civil Servitude might get a few of these guys who are honkered over video games to wake up and smell the pot -- er I mean coffee. That would at least be a step towards rehabilitating them into something that might possibly be of SOME kind of use later on, to SOMEONE, whether it be a Revolution, the US military, or just plain of use to themselves for that matter. Ya know, out of momma's house by the age of 28 or so. Oh well, this is just a lot of useless rambling. Like I said, you'll all do what you're told and like it.






[edit on 20-3-2009 by Bombeni]

I'm just blown away by those of you who would embrace slavery to 'help the community.'

Open a friggin history book you fools!

Originally posted by wonderworld
reply to post by jibeho

 

I’m concerned that Obama’s Civilian National Security Force will be the martial law players. I object to them influencing our youth. Elementary aged kids! Too much! It does say any age. Therfore lots of guys out of work may join, as well. Maybe those who want to play big shot. I wonder if they will wear an arm band to identify these people?

[edit on 20-3-2009 by wonderworld]

Reminds me of an old Brady Bunch episode. Bobby becomes a Safety Patrol agent in runs the halls with an iron fist. Oh yeah and he has the special arm band to prove it.

There is a lot to be concerned with inside this bill.

I am still trying to find out about "Title VI Misc. Items" and a line titled Amtrak Waste Disposal buried in this bill.

reply to post by jibeho


I have a close family member who is an Engineer for Amtrak . I haven’t heard much, except they recently opened a new site As of now Yucca mountain, which is 29 miles away from Beatty NV is being built for the storage of the US spent fuel rods. These rods are very radioactive and very dangerous if not properly cared for. Right now they are scattered all over the country alongside atomic electricity generating plants. They need to be stored in one save place and where better under a mountain in remote Nevada? Each of these used rods have a huge amount of power in them or they wouldn't be dangerous for another 100,000 years.

Hope that helps.

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I also heard a nasty rumor we may be the nuclear dumping site for the WORLD. Hope theyre wrong on that one.

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Jibeho, you know I agree this is indoctrination. Of course you and I already serve our communities and by doing so the nation at large. Thinking globally while acting locally. Unlike the president thinking globally and flying to LA to film socialist infomercials while insulting large portions of the population with his off-the-cuff self-deprecating comments. Bush was scary with his witless analogies but BO has proven to be a puppet in the literal sense. That was made clear on Leno. There was a reason why sitting presidents did not do television talk shows. What hubris from this two-bit lawyer. Do you think there's a chance we will see "Mr. Fairness" chit-chatting on a television network not beholding to the Democratic party? Perhaps opposite a Glenn Beck? I for one doubt it. This administration controls the media and wants to control everything. By the way, could BO have found a more ironic foil as an interviewer than Jay Leno and his gas-guzzling, classic car collection? How’s about a hybrid Jay?

Instead of defining how people "volunteer" their time, our elected and well-paid representatives should concern themselves with how they might best serve their employers, the American citizens. Get your own house in order, pay your taxes, stay at your desks and work on the banking crisis, don’t fly endlessly around the country for no reason, don't insult us in the media, don't tread on our constitutional rights and once you've done all of that, volunteer with whatever time you have left and lead by example and not by fiat and that means you "Emperor Fairness". No, I’m not bitter. BO’s "community organizer" stint was used building a voter base not a better community. “That nice young man just promised me the world!”

Barry’s antics would make Peter Popoff blush. BO "volunteered" to help his future political aspirations and nothing more. I'm certain we can dig up photos of Blagojevich serving soup at a soup kitchen. Hell, we can likely find photos of Barry and Blago shoulder to shoulder at a soup kitchen. They’ve been photographed a number of places together. The political unemployed all do it for an hour or a day while the cameras are running. They get the photo-ops while the real volunteers put in the years of service. Jimmy Carter is the exception to the rule and noted here. Bravo Jimmy Carter, a bad president but a good man!

We all know people and/or are people that legitimately serve others. It's insulting to be told by this make-believe Christian, this community rabble rouser, this foreigner in US citizen’s clothing, that we need to serve our country. Too bad BO didn't film his community service dictates on his Hawaiian vacation. That would have provided nice tropical backgrounds for his blatant hypocrisy. Not to worry though, there will be more golf outings for "Mr. Outraged at Bonuses". (Where was this outrage when Geithner got paid by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to leave that position for his current one?) What a mensch! What a lawyer! What a Kenyan!

My sincere sympathies to Kenyans.

Originally posted by Aermacchi

..me talking about the New Atheism and the signs of militant in your face anger they woould merge in an alliance with the gay activists to besmirch that religious in ways not seen before in America.

...Christians getting their asses handed back to them on a platter in every thread they were intimidated by the and venomous vitriol of the neo darwinist atheist.

... BE ADVISED: Mayberry, I choose my words carefully

... as much as we hear about the evils of religion, it remains the ONLY counter balance of a Statism that invariably mows its governed down like a juggernaut it rises to prominance with a messianic figure and meteoric rate of asscension.

The removal Apostate Religions and the erosion of Faith

Neo Darwinism's popularity and the suggestion of eugenics

The same

The shift to a religion of scientism and humanism and secularism

The same

Your need to be "RIGHT" in jeopardy you become even more intolerant of the obvious truth.

The more time passes, the more we see the Obamanoids hiding because they know. Look at the internet look at these boards.

Where are they? I remember when we couldn't get a word in edgewise to say anything disparaging about the Grand Obimbo.

Reading your long rambling post I alternated between being a little frightened that there are folks out there such as yourself with very little tether to reality and giggling at the craziness of it.

I included some of my favorite lines from your post above.

"... BE ADVISED: Mayberry, I choose my words carefully "

* I believe you...that is what is so frightening.

"The more time passes, the more we see the Obamanoids hiding because they know. Look at the internet look at these boards.
Where are they?"

* Most have opted not to play with stray rabid dogs anymore...they are moving forward while you can't let go of your hate filled fantasy world.

Here are some examples of Servitude. In other words, several times in this bill, they have the right to force you to do job they see fit. Say goodbye to the freedom we cherish. And if you thing the senate or the president will not sign this, it's the president's idea.

4 Veterans’ CORPS- A Veterans’ Corps that identifies unmet needs of veterans through activities such as those described in subparagraph (A) and meets or exceeds the performance indicators under subparagraph (B).
ii Recruiting veterans, particularly returning veterans, into service opportunities, including such opportunities that reflect their military experience
vii other activities addressing unmet veterans’ needs as the Corporation may designate.

‘(5) PROGRAM MODELS FOR SERVICE CORPS- In addition to any activities described in paragraphs (1) through (4), a recipient of a grant under section 121(a) and a Federal agency operating or supporting a national service program under section 121(b) may directly or through grants or subgrants to other entities carry out a national service corps through the following program models:

‘(A) A community corps program that meets unmet human, educational, heath, veteran, environmental, or public safety needs and promotes greater community unity through the use of organized teams of participants of varied social and economic backgrounds, skill levels, physical and developmental capabilities, ages, ethnic backgrounds, or genders.
‘(B) A service program that--

‘(i) recruits individuals with special skills or provides specialized preservice training to enable participants to be placed individually or in teams in positions in which the participants can meet such unmet needs; and
‘(ii) if consistent with the purposes of the program, brings participants together for additional training and other activities designed to foster civic responsibility, increase the skills of participants, and improve the quality of the service provided.


For every positive, "community serving" section, there are parts laced in to force people into service. This scratches the surface, there are already several links on this subject. READ IT and make your voice heard. I plan on it. I won't be forced to leave the job I love and work for some Veterans corp. Never.


[edit on 20-3-2009 by Ragnarok691]

Civilian national security force

Why would civil representatives, that we pay to do jobs for us, tell us to work for them, unpaid ?
Maybe i am getting old but it defies all my logic.

Originally posted by mpriebe81
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

The one thing that I actually liked that Obama talked about for awhile was that he wanted to fix our crumbling infrastructure and start moving towards putting more energy efficient means of powering the nation in place.

Maybe I'm jaded, but knowing that Black Ops has "free energy" (energy from the plenum) and keeps it hidden, and suspecting Obama has some clue on this, I find his hype and slick talk to be most disingenuous.

He maintains the scarcity paradigm, and perpetuates the idea that this Universe is not abundant with energy.

So I am less impressed with his call to "fix our crumbling infrastructure and start moving towards putting more energy efficient means of powering the nation."

reply to post by Essan


Ok so then the parents of such kids should get off their butts and do some parenting. Its not the governments job to deal with bratty kids.

This kind of invasion of civil liberties is a blatant disregard for the Constitution of the United States.

No one should be forced to work for free.

I wish I could go back and edit my first post and add a ? Because after trying to understand this bill, being nowhere near a political expert or good at reading these bills at all. Which I am sure a lot of us here are. Just regular people and not so regular, I am equal opportunity. I still have a question.

I still cannot tell if this is for a study for for mandatory service for everyone or a pass for the beginning of the volunteer service under the CORPORATION. It seems to say both. The first four lines do say ...www.govtrack.us...


And the first two lines of section 6104 of the original bill introduced to the house say...thomas.loc.gov...:3:./temp/~c111FSKDwi:: Though I cannot now find this section in the amended bill. That's another thread all together....And the link does not work due to some reason that I cant figure out either. .gov page from the Library of Congress?????

I was not trying to "fear monger" anyone. I am sorry that you feel that way.
I was reading what was presented to me in the CRYPTO MUMBO JUMBO LAWYER OR CONGRESSIONAL AID DOUBLE TALK. Or whoever writes these things. I am no expert in understanding such things. Just a regular guy or not so regular, that wants to understand, who wants to know, who is deciding our, under what kind of CORPORATION, future, and what are their intentions and why don't they just print it in plain English or Spanish or what ever language you might speak so that you get fair treatment ??

If there is a LEGITIMATE, we will have to take your word, Expert in such matters that is a member of this forum or a passer by that just wants to tell us so we understand that would be nice.

After reading most of the replies on this thread and hearing of all the people that left their oppressive country and see it happening again...I am scared with you.

Carry on....











[edit on 20-3-2009 by timewalker]

Just look at this as a stepped-up branch of the Girl and Boy Scouts of America.

The Girl Scout Promise

On my honor, I will try:
To serve God and my country,
To help people at all times,
And to live by the Girl Scout Law.

The Girl Scout Law

I will do my best to be
honest and fair,
friendly and helpful,
considerate and caring,
courageous and strong, and
responsible for what I say and do,
and to respect myself and others,
respect authority,
use resources wisely,
make the world a better place, and
be a sister to every Girl Scout.


Boy Scout Oath (or Promise)

On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.

That's about all it amounts to, teaching some fundamental ideas to kids that didn't learn them at home. For those that did learn them, just look at it as a refresher course.




[edit on 20-3-2009 by Bombeni]

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Wait, so the south was communist? I think that as far as "communism" goes, no one on this planet (except for some Amazonian tribes, isolated tribes in the mountains of Borneo and Papua New Guinea and perhaps the Koisan people in Southern Africa) have recently or are currently experiencing anything close to resembling communism (maybe a few kibbutzim in Israel too)...

C'mon, you think what was going on in the Soviet Union, or what is going on in Cuba or China now is communism??? The state controls the means of production...is that all communism really is?

Root of word commun- as in community:
community Look up community at Dictionary.com
1375, from O.Fr. communité, from L. communitatem (nom. communitas) "community, fellowship," from communis "common, public, general, shared by all or many," (see common). L. communitatem "was merely a noun of quality ... meaning 'fellowship, community of relations or feelings,' but in med.L. it was, like universitas, used concretely in the sense of 'a body of fellows or fellow-townsmen' " [OED]. An O.E. word for "community" was gemænscipe "community, fellowship, union, common ownership," probably composed from the same PIE roots as communis.

Please, the real concept behind communism is community strength and fellowship, as in everybody working toward sustainability. This is logical and I see no problem with it. People who are greedy or lazy see a problem with this (why should I do anything for my neighbor, f*ck him.)

In the USSR, China, Cuba and the handful of other so-called communist nations, do you really think the bureaucrats were waiting in bread lines? Yes or no? ...no. Is that shared responsibility for the community??? NO.

Get real folks, I see no problem with encouraging community building ...it can be very much mutually exclusive from totalitarian oligarchies (which is what the USSR really was). Where do you think we're headed with unrestrained laissez-faire capitalism? more diversity...or total corporate control?

Stop throwing around labels that have loaded meanings...I had no idea what communism was as a child and teenager in the 80s and 90s but, like the good american I was, I knew it was bad....that's very analytical...(sarcasm) which shows why the corporate backed politicians don't want to support public education and instead wars.