Why are so many people calling contrails, Chemtrails?

Originally posted by ziggystar60
reply to post by ChemBreather

 

So, you claim that "the Main airport in Oslo has always been around me"...

Interesting. You see, I live in Oslo, and the main airport in my country used to be Fornebu Airport, located in BÆRUM, not Oslo. It was also shut down in 1998.

Now the main airport in Norway is Gardemoen Airport, located 50 kilometers OUTSIDE of Oslo.

Just some boring facts for you. Google them if you want to, it may be good practice for you. It is always a good idea to do some research before telling tall tales.

yup, I live in Groruddalen, allways have, and these planes fly right ontop of my house to and from Gardemoen, when it was at Fornebu, I lived that time at Ammerud, and the planes flew pretty close overhead there also..
Dont get stuck on little details, now you just want the excact ammount of meters between my house (blokk) and the planes over head or Im a liar ..
Well, your just blind if you havent seen them... Look up my man..
Next thing you say is the Per a. ertesvåg er en terrorist også fordi hans bøker skremmer vannet av deg, much better to lie to your self . pull down the nisselue and sleep tight !!!

Confirmation of covert chemical spaying over the UK in the 1960 -

LINK TO BBC NEWS ARTICLE

Untested biochemical Spraying over San Franciso

LINK



I don't understand how people can NOT being paranoid about covert chem
spraying!!

reply to post by suziwong


"I don't understand how people can NOT being paranoid about covert chem
spraying!! "

Oh shoosh! You needn't be such a 'negative-nancy' about the whole darn thing. ;-)

Aren't you happy that the government cares enough about you to test these things on you?

Aren't you worried that we won't be ready when Al-Ciada attacks us with remote controlled crop spraying planes purchased from Saddam?

What if 'the terrorists' contaminate a batch of flu vaccines going to 18 different countries and this is the only way to stop the man-made pandemic from spreading and mutating? What if it is airborne and these tests helped us track it's path..

And if birds are spreading it, wouldn't you feel safer having a frequency based weapon that can kill them all or take 'em down all at once over a targeted area?

My golly. Aren't we all just unappreciative these days....

God Bless America.

[edit on 15-3-2009 by Exuberant1]

reply to post by Exuberant1


lol - must try harder to acknowledge that they know whats best for us - "why worry?"

reply to post by suziwong


It's a hell of a lot different when you are talking about crop dusting, which is what the San Fransisco article was about. Chemtrails are supposedly sprayed at cruising altitude, which is 30,000+ feet, not 500.

Reply to Exuberant1

I would post my credentials if they were official but they aren't. I'll let my posts on the aircraft that I post about speak for me. Just about everything that I've posted about aircraft is easily verifiable by any source that you want to look for. I even helpfully give you links to the sources that I use. I'll also let stand the fact that I'm an FSME for the Aviation forum stand for me too.

[edit on 3/15/2009 by Zaphod58]

reply to post by Exuberant1


And of course, the ones asking for the "proof" of qualifications all glady stepped forward and produced their qualifications that made them experts on the subjects, right?

Somehow I doubt it.

I am going to post MY own photos here.
NONE of them are madeup or manipulated in anyway, they are just cropped to save some size... (I dont know if they show up or you need to ckick the link)

This picture I took for about 10-15 minutes ago, a plane coming IN for landing at OSL gardemoen,the right way..


And here is a picture from the same viewangel, slightly more to the right.
These three 'trails' are going as you see in the picture 'downwards' into the valley down below, Groruddalen. the 3rd plane to the right is spraying in this picture, yet it is coverd by the smoke.
Keep in mind these trhee planes had less than a mintue apart.Yes.I saw them.


This is an close up of the previous picture, and you see by the tree on the left that this trail isnt that far away from where I'm standing taking the picture, maby a few miles in airdistance..


And I even got a picture of one of these 'planes' , wich I am unsurten of
maby just s camera trick, but this next picture is taken just before it starts to 'trail' across the sky. I counted 11 planes that saturday in less than 90 mintues.
If you see any wings on this thing, please let me know, I see none ..


And this one taken at work Luhrtoppen Skårer, one huge contrail. or toilette dump ?


And this one is just an nice sunset...


Some explainations for this abnormal behavior of planes would be nice.
Planes coming in pairs dumbing stuff in the air is not normal. Here I provided PROOF of three planes in a short time period dumping, I also have available a youtube clip with two trails visible in the same area..
This is going on over Oslo wich is to the RIGHT in all these photos.
You can not see the town since there are abvious trees and a small mountain in the way .


[edit on 15-3-2009 by ChemBreather]

Chemtrails don't exist, other than small crop planes spraying their fields at low-altitudes.

I've lived within a KM of airports most of my life (several cities). It is completely normal to see extended exhaust trails in the sky. Depending on atmospheric conditions, they can linger for a few hours.

Criss-Cross patterns are more often seen closer to airports, due to the likelihood of planes routing their direction for the flight.

This whole topic surrounding Chemtrails is completely bogus. It's a shame people waste their time on this.

There are so many web-sites with 'facts' and 'evidence' taken from the 'chemtrails' contra the debunkers coming with facts about contrails claiming there is no chemtrails.

Here are more from Rense.com, I dont know why they are telling nothing but lies, but they lie with facts atleast...

Rense.com Lab Report.

And here is a little snippet from source...

Barium and aluminum (more on aluminum later) are commonly found in chemtrail fallout. These two compounds were also described by Dr. Teller in his weather modification paper as two possible agents that could be spread by aircraft into the upper atmosphere. His intention was to use them as reflective agents for sunlight in an effort to reduce global heating.

However, anyone who has ever been inside a tent an hour or more after the sun comes up on a cool day knows it will get hot inside quite fast. It could be that Teller's theory is flawed, and that instead of reflecting the sunlight barium and aluminum are accelerating global warming. After several decades of chemtrail spraying weather records clearly show our planet is not cooling off. In the spring of 2008, the US army announced the problem is with the Sun and that global warming is NOT directly caused by civilization.

And this one has alot of infromation..
Chemtrail reports
I feel like quoting just some of this page, since there is said exactly what I have tried to bring across:

I find it particularly interesting that pilots, police officers, Air
Force personnel and hundreds of other people who have lived near airports or
under busy air routes for many years are suddenly exclaiming: "These things
aren't contrails." Do you really think that the more than 400 people who
have filed detailed reports with me are looking up and seeing contrails for
the first time? Their photos and videos show a very different phenomenon
than the one you describe so well.

Like we have seen planes for the first time in our lifes ... Nope . It is just that people are waking up more and starts to question things more..
Wich is an good thing ..

[edit on 15-3-2009 by ChemBreather]

Originally posted by neformore

And of course, the ones asking for the "proof" of qualifications all glady stepped forward and produced their qualifications that made them experts on the subjects, right?

Irrelevant.

Only one of the members claiming to be a Meteorologist/pilot/contrail expert had managed to produce credentials of any sort.

You appear to imply that in order to ask someone to provide corroboration for their claims of academic accomplishment and relevant qualification/credentials - that one must also be prepared to show their own shingle.... They need not be.

*If I was claiming expertise in some area, and was alleging that my academic and/or professional qualifications should give my opinion more weight than other members; I would be prepared to present proof of my qualifications if asked. Nor would I expect to see the other member's qualifications before or after presenting my own.

In fact, I would feel obligated to do so for the sake of my arguments, as any discerning member would be able to see that my persistent claims of accreditation, were not backed-up with 'proof'.

Apart from that, such an enquiry does not require Quid pro quo exchange.

*For Example, our resident weatherman, OzWeatherman had no problem producing his credentials. He even links us to the place where he works. He never demands that others show him their credentials in order to see his.
(not unless they say they claim to have them, obviously)

[edit on 15-3-2009 by Exuberant1]

reply to post by marketslave


You obviously didn't read my earlier link - regarding the BBC report Spraying cancer causing chemicals during the 60's was admitted and is being investigated -

How can you ignore facts like those

Do you think they tell people when they are conducting their covert experiments - no - they tell you 30 years down the line when large groups of people are dead or dying

reply to post by Zaphod58


What about the confirmed covert weapons testing chem spraying in the UK - what is your take on that

reply to post by ChemBreather


I think I've bunked those results before..let me do some digging, I really should bookmark all this stuff since it gets repeated over...and over...and over again.



Ah yes here we go...



Firstly, I've asked this before but no one seems to know:

Where was the exact location of the test?

I ask this because the levels in this graph is well and truly above lethal dosages.

I shall explain:

NIOSH considers exposure to barium chloride levels of 50 mg/m3 and higher as immediately dangerous to life or health.

www.atsdr.cdc.gov...

to calculate mg/m3:

To convert from mg/m3 to ppm, the equation is as follows:
Concentration (ppm) = 24.45 x concentration (mg/m3) ÷ molecular weight
The same equations may be used to convert micrograms per cubic meter (ug/m3) to parts per billion (ppb) and vice versa:
Concentration (ug/m3) = 0.0409 x concentration (ppb) x molecular weight
Or, concentration (ppb) = 24.45 x concentration (ug/m3) ÷ molecular weight

Source



So, the molecular weight of barium is 137.33. The fatal dose of barium is 50mg/m3, convert to the units of ppm by multiplying 24.45 x 50 mg/m3 ÷ 137.33 = 8.90ppm.

Which is 8900 Parts Per Billion. Compared to the graph which is 550,000 Part Per Billion

Those readings are ridiculously inaccurate and no doubt the rest are wrong too, they don't pay me enough to dissect every scrap of rubbish that comes my way

[edit on 15-3-2009 by Chadwickus]

reply to post by ChemBreather


Unless the samples were taken directly from the aircraft exhaust at altitude, you can not say with certainty that those results are related to the aircraft flying overhead. Barium has many natural sources, and aluminum can easily be released from a man made source on the ground. Of 1684 sites on the National Priorities List, 798 have had barium identified at them.

Barium has been identified in many soil samples at up to 3500 ppm. That comes out to 3500000 ppb. That's much higher than the sample that was on your link. Those levels are also the combined total of 28 days of just regular air samples taken over 8 hours a day. That doesn't prove anything, except that there's a Barium source somewhere nearby.

All of the metals tested for can either be found naturally, or have other sources that are man made, on the ground.

reply to post by Chadwickus


Maybe you are starting to see the reason for alarm.

You are shown scientific results, and you attack the result, instead of
waking up.

As I claimed before, I can fill up this thread with so much FACTS you wouldnt have time to read half of it ! But some of it are more important than others, like this one...

Newscast's Chemtrail Investigation Reveals Dangerous Aerosolized Compounds

From source .. Read It !

Even more shocking, KSLA reports that secret biochemical experimentation was allowed by law"until nine years ago", but is still permitted in at least in some instances. See:

PUBLIC LAW 95-79 [P.L. 95-79] TITLE 50, CHAPTER 32, SECTION 1520 "CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM" "The use of human subjects will be allowed for the testing of chemical and biological agents by the U.S. Department of Defense, accounting to Congressional committees with respect to the experiments and studies." "The Secretary of Defense [may] conduct tests and experiments involving the use of chemical and biological [warfare] agents on civilian populations [within the United States]." -SOURCE- Public Law 95-79, Title VIII, Sec. 808, July 30, 1977, 91 Stat. 334. In U.S. Statutes-at-Large, Vol. 91, page 334, you will find Public Law 95-79. Public Law 97-375, title II, Sec. 203(a)(1), Dec. 21, 1982, 96 Stat. 1882. In U.S. Statutes-at-Large, Vol. 96, page 1882, you will find Public Law 97-375.

KSLA's probing report left open the question of whether biochemical testing was currently underway, but raised a number of disturbing parallels and reason for suspicion.

reply to post by suziwong


They weren't chemical weapons, they were simulated. But the release method would be different than supposed chemtrails. They would dump a large amount into the air and see how it reacts.

Spraying at high altitude doesn't make sense because it would take so long for anything to hit ground that you would have to spray hundreds or even thousands of miles away from your target.

reply to post by doctordoom


Yeah I attacked it with maths and common sense.

Why don't we get told the source of these results?

What's to hide?

Originally posted by doctordoom
reply to post by Chadwickus

 

Maybe you are starting to see the reason for alarm.

You are shown scientific results, and you attack the result, instead of
waking up.

That is what it feels like, it doesnt matter how much you put in as 'evidence', like he know pretty well I cant get up in the air taking samples from the planes, it is just rediculous(?)..
And as stated in the 'documents' that this samples are gathered in areas exposed to these 'trails', and since I in person havent done the collection, it is not counted as some what 'proof' . I havent even gotten to the Mycoplasma/bio-warefare bit yet. As it will be pretty hard to explain to people just thinking there are no evil doers in the world..
So I gonna sit on the Myco thing abit longer, gather some more proof/facts on it..
Please understand that I am not attacking any induviduals here, I am just butting my head against a wall... Nothing personal to any one here. Promise.

reply to post by ChemBreather


You can't say with 100% certainty that it was from an aircraft. Barium and all the other metals in that sample are also released from factories into the air and ground water. The sample was taken from an air filter that sampled air for 8 hours a day for 28 days. All that proves is that the metals are in the air. It doesn't say anything about where they are from.