Why are so many people calling contrails, Chemtrails?

reply to post by ChemBreather


Nice website. Too bad they don't know how to do basic research when it comes to the "sprayer planes".

The first one is the underwing refueling drogue on a French Air Force KC-135. The US Air Force uses the same system. It's used to refuel fighters that don't use a refueling boom, such as the US Navy, Marines, or foreign air forces.

www.air-attack.com...

The second one is a Boeing 777LR undergoing testing before certification. Those "chemicals" are water. They transfer water around to do center of gravity testing.

Like many, I read about chemtrails and was skeptical - however, so many people were passionate about this topic - so I decided to do some research

It transpires that there IS scientific evidence to support the fact that chemtrails are real.

The German military have ADMITTED to carrying out clandestine chemtrail operations - when put under extreme pressure by a group of German scientists.

German scientists took samples of chemtrails, studied the content and carried out full investigations which led to a full news report being televised of their findings-

“We can state with a 97% certainty that we have on our hands chemical trails (chemtrails) comprised by fine dust containing polymers and metals, used to disrupt radar signals.”

“This is their main purpose, but I was surprised that this artificial cloud was so wide-spread. The radar images are stunning considering the needed tons of dispersed elements -- although, the federal army claims that only small amounts of material were propagated. The military heads claim that the substances used are not harmful.”

“It's obvious that enormous regions are being polluted with clandestine actions, but all of this has to be made public. The government must provide explanations to the unsuspecting population.”

If chemtrailing is classified as a military operation for national defence - they have legitimate grounds to deny or justify their actions to the general public.

Link to the German news report with English subtitles is below

LINK

reply to post by suziwong


I saw the video but once again it talked about weather manipulation = (cloud seeding etc) which is NOT chemtrailing = (spreading disease/biotoxins etc)

Weather manipulation/cloud seeding has been around for a long time. A lot of contries have admitted to trying to manipulate the weather. Heck, even China was attempting cloud seeding to induce rainfall during the olympics .... not a big secret.

What I believe the "pro-chemtrail camp is looking for is evidence that biotoxins and other diseases are being released into the atmosphere over populated areas to make people sick or to kill them. The youtube German news video never mentions that, just weather manipulation.

reply to post by suziwong


The translation in the video is inaccurate. The story is not about "chemtrails".
contrailscience.com...

reply to post by suziwong


That video was NOT talking about chemtrails. The subtitles were....inaccurate. It was talking about chaff being dropped and appearing on weather radar. Someone subtitled it to say what they wanted it to say, not what it really said.

Originally posted by ChemBreather

Tell me how a perfect clear blue sky can turn into a full overcast by one plane flying over ?? How is that possible ? Is that normal ? and if so, why werent this an topic 20 years ago? I never heard my father and uncly discussing this, how come ?

Yes it's perfectly normal. And has been known to be perfectly normal and extensively discussed and studied for a lot more than 20 years.

Meanwhile, what do you make of this? From 1970?

Obviously the phenomena you describe was well known back then

Question remains: what evidence can anyone produce that contrails are not contrails? Prove they cannot be contrails and you have a case. "I don't think they're contrails" is not proof

Originally posted by suziwong

The German military have ADMITTED to carrying out clandestine chemtrail operations - when put under extreme pressure by a group of German scientists.

Link to the German news report with English subtitles is below

LINK



Shame you don't know any German - the subtitles have been made up by chemtrail hoaxers The story actually relates to the deployment of excessive amounts of anti radar chaff during a NATO exercise which affected rainfall radar. It really is tiresome that people continue to produce this disinfo. Some might question the motives of those producing it .......

Interesting point being that if this really were evidence of chemtrails we'd all be able to see chemtrails live every single day just by looking at meteorological radar. So in a way a shame it's a hoax ......!

I have been searching for the real German news clip which appears to have been removed from youtube

The report was not about cloud seeding - but about radar blocking -

Semantics - Any chemical sprayed into the air - for any reason that is detrimental to health is a "chemtrail"

reply to post by suziwong


I suggest you look into chaff before you call it a chemtrail. It's nothing of the sort. It's small strips of metal that are dropped in bundles. They're designed to cluster together and hang in the air. They make a huge radar return to distract a radar guided missile, and are dropped from planes. It only blocks the radar in a small area, although it looks huge on a screen.

Yes - Chaff sounds like wonderful stuff !!??!!

Chaff mainly consists of strands of aluminium coated silica core. For the chaffcomponents, it is made up of 3 main elements;• Silicon dioxide• Aluminium• Stearic acid To prevent the fibres from clamping with each other, Neofat which is consists of 90% stearic acid and 10% palmitic acid is used to assist with the rapid dispersal of fibres during chaff discharge. The construction of chaff fibres are to be made as small and as light as possible,approximately to the size of a human hair, to increase the time for it to remain in the air.

What Happens if we Ingest silicon dioxide ?

Over-exposure to mineral silicon dioxide can occur via ingestion of excipients found in common drugs in tablet form, health food supplement tablets, foods and the environment, as well as via the lungs. Mineral silicon dioxide is indigestible and is not bio-available, therefore will not be metabolised. Instead, tiny particles that are not excreted will be trapped in the tissues. Excess accumulated silicon dioxide in the body causes localised reactions: granulomas, fibroids etc. and overproduction of collagen, causing thickening and hardening of connective tissue. The body reacts against the presence of the silicon dioxide further by contracting connective tissue: fascia, muscle, tendons, ligaments etc., thereby causing either localised or widespread contraction of the fascia/muscle matrix over the skeletal frame.The consequences of this are many and varied; all of which can be intermittent, temporary or chronic. Pressure on connective tissue, nerves and ganglia interrupts neurological function, inhibits blood flow, inhibits proper metabolism, inhibits proper muscle function and inhibits proper and adequate healing responses, inhibits proper nutrition absorption and toxin elimination in tissues and can causes or exacerbate most disorders caused by such factors.Key factors include: mechanical constriction of ganglia in the spine: sympathetic and parasympathetic disruption leading to excess acidity, metabolic disorders, fatigue, circulation problems, stomach problems, sleep disorders, anxiety states, depression, allergy, immune disorders etc. mechanical constriction of blood vessels: reduced blood flow to the head causes headaches, earaches, dizziness, memory impairment, cognitive impairment, fatigue, depression, neurological disorders of various sorts, eye disorders, blood pressure problems, ultimately dementia in extreme cases etc. in CFS there can be reduced blood volume and shrinkage of pre-frontal cortex of the brain. reduced blood flow to muscles and connective tissues causes pain, contracture, general deterioration, inflexibility, stiffness, joint disorders, excess free radical damage, irritable bowel syndrome, Raynaud’s syndrome, tendonitis, impaired healing of injuries etc., general reduced blood volume in CFS exacerbates these symptoms in chronic states.

What happens If Stearic Acid touces our skin ?

SKIN: Repeated or prolonged skin contact with dusts or concentrated solutions may cause dermatitis (drying, cracking and itching of skin).

Aliminium (the thickness of a human hair) -

Aluminium is a potential neurotoxic agent in humans (Steinegger et al., 1990).

reply to post by suziwong


There has never been a single chaff related illness that I have ever heard of. I have looked into it in the past, and have never found a single supporting bit of evidence that it has made anyone sick. About the only way you would ever come into contact with chaff is if you were working around the aircraft, and they accidentally dropped a bundle.

Despite the fear mongering of the ingredients of chaff, it's non-toxic. The amounts of the materials are so small that it couldn't hurt you, unless you were exposed to MUCH larger amounts than are in a chaff bundle. Individual chaff bundles are anywhere from 2.8x4.8x0.8 inches, to 8x1x1 inches. The biggest danger from chaff is possible interference with FAA radars.

The materials in chaff are generally nontoxic except in quantities significantly larger than those any human or animal could reasonably be exposed to from chaff use. Safety risks were found to be extremely low and isolated to specific circumstances that can be avoided or managed. The primary issue is the potential for interference with air traffic control radar, which is managed by requiring units to obtain a frequency clearance from the USAF Frequency Management Center and Headquarters Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) prior to using chaff that could interfere with air traffic control radar. Air quality issues included questions about the potential for chaff to break down into respirable particle sizes and the possibility that hazardous air pollutants may be generated from pyrotechnic impulse cartridges used with some chaff models. ‘Ibe results of chaff particulate tests and a screening health risk assessment concluded that these are not significant concerns.

The potential for chaff to affect soil and water is remote. Levels of use and accumulation would have to be extremely high to generate any significant adverse effects. Laboratory tests of chaff, using a modified toxic characteristics leaching procedure, indicated little or no potential for adverse effects on soil. Adverse effects to sensitive aquatic organisms, although unlikely, may be possible in certain small, confined water bodies. These should be addressed on a case-by-case basis in areas proposed for chaff use that include highly sensitive aquatic habitats.

No adverse impacts on biological resources have been identified. Since chaff is generally nontoxic, toxicity-related impacts on wildlife are not anticipated. Based on their digestive processes, few animals are expected to suffer physical effects from chaff ingestion. Information was not available concerning the ability of surface or bottom feeding waterfowl and other aquatic species to process ingested chaff. Effects from inhalation are not considered a significant issue, since chaff particles would represent a small percentage of the particulates regularly inhaled by animals. Given the properties of chaff fibers, skin irritation is not expected to be a problem.

www.globalsecurity.org...


[edit on 3/14/2009 by Zaphod58]

So, now that the "chemtrail mongers" cant back up their actual "chemtrails" we've moved on to making simple anti radar chaff out to be the criminal? Please tell me you all do realize that chaff is only used in evasion tactics (i.e. when you are piloting an aircraft and you have a missle headed your way).

I can't begin to explain how absurd this is...

If it is such a hoax why has the British Government admitted as much to doing it from the 40's to the late 70's???

One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour......

A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.

Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told........

The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution.

Source Guardian Unlimited

What the British government argues is that they did the testing using harmless chemicals equivalent to biological or chemical weapons to track and estimate the potential drift of these chemicals over populated areas.

Whether the chemical used as substitutes were harmless or not, still does not excuse the fact that they put the stuff in planes flew over the country side and pumped it out into the atmosphere. Now the question to chem trail deniers is what reason would the government of any western nation have for them to not be doing something similar in this day and age in the interests of national security?

So many people call contrails chemtrails because so many people don't understand what contrails are & how they are formed.
Oz Weatherman did a brilliant thread on this a little while back.

I did not read through all the pages but I did have a questions. Why is it that I will see some planes with trails that seem to almost disappear right away, like you can see a small trail behind the plane but it slowly disappears and then I also see planes with long trails that do not disappear, they in fact spread out all over the sky to create a haze filled sky?

Not claiming "Chemtrails" just wondering why that is.

reply to post by Kingfanpaul


Have a read here:
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And here:
www.bragwebdesign.com...

These should enlighten thee.

Thank you, I get it now.

im still waiting to see anythign that resembles an honest to god chemtrail.

Maybe I have a different experience, I grew up near an airport, an dso far, I can alway sremember seeing contrails from planes.

Why do people insist on chemtrails? Personally, I think that most are to busy stuffing themselves with McDonalds burgers and any other processed food they can get their hands on, chug coffee like it was water, stress out over everything and generally lead unhappy existences which lead to poor health and depression and since in their ego driven mind, their problems couldn't possibly be their own doing, they have to invent something, anything that will in their mind at least, absolve them from any responsibility over their own destiny. So of course, commercial airliners are cropdusting us in a ploy to make us subservient and to mess with our bodies.

Hey, it makes perfect sense, sure

Let me ask thes epeople something.. where are the mass deaths? Why are people like me, who see lines in the sky all day every day doing better than ever after just eatign right and exercising? Why can I get myself worked up into a darn near righteous fury defending the ability of people who love each other to marry regardless of gender distribution and not feel ill the next day?

but finally.. why is it that I can't find any one hint of scientific research or study as to the actual existence of chemtrails and there being something in them? I'm sorry, but so far, due to dogma and lack of proof, i've had to classify it as a religion vs a belief. I can't even call it a theory, since it utterly fails all definitions of the word.

Someone? anyone? Some proof on how it can or can't exist? anyone? something scientific? Are you just going to just jump up and down and point at the sky yelling ooga booga instead?

I think the reason why so many people believe chemtrails are a reality because TPTB poison our food, water and medications as part of their agenda.

The idea of them poisoning our air as well just makes sense.

Because the worlds population has grown, there is a massive increase in air travel.
Many more flights than 10 years ago.
So its actually making patterns in the sky, from so many flights.
This is why it is freaking people out.
The fact is, it would be utterly pointless and a waste of money to spray stuff into the air like that.
It would only work like crop dusting, spraying it at low level onto a specific thing.

reply to post by Chadwickus


Thanks Chadwickus!

That is a good thread. It really does sum up the Chemtrail debate.

Zorgon, thefreepatriot and Zepherian all put forth some quality arguments and provide much corroborative evidence.

The members who were bragging about their credentials and constantly reminding the other members of the claims 'qualifications' did weaken their side of the argument by behaving in this manner.

Not one of them ever posted their certifications/degrees/diplomas/licenses when asked. - information that might be used to identify them could have been blocked out.

All that would have been required was for one of the debunkers on that thread to post a pic of their credentials next to to their monitor to verify that they were in possession of the qualification they proclaimed throughout the entirety of the thread.

(star for you!)

The only one I am sure of and who has been consistent with his credentials is Ozweatherman - who is admitted to be (or have been) on a certain government's payroll. ;-P