Rapelay virtual rape game banned by Amazon

What's the big deal here?

Stopping the sales in Amazon.com don't do crap. This game is available from file sharing torrent tracker sites. Don't believe me? Use google. Only a few clicks away.

These kind of games has been out for years.

If you people are so angry about all of this why don't you guys go to Japan yourselves and exercise that free will of yours that you express in the 'Internetz'.

Whining and moaning in a forum wont do crap. If you can't do anything about it you might as well shut up.

Going to Japan isn't going to stop it. That's just a waste of money.

The only reason why they make games like these is because they really love train simulators.

reply to post by wolf241e


Anyone who watches a lot of anime (raises hand proudly) is aware of the existence of these games. They've been out a long time. They're disgusting, pointless and i cannot imagine the driving force to play one.

However they are just games, not meant for kids, no one real gets hurt and if someone if going to rape someone for real then they will go out and do it regardless of whether this game is available. So we shouldn't bother banning such things.

Of course amazon can ban them as it is a private business and has every right to decide what it sells.

One thing to look at that, even if it won't change anyone's mind:
Rape statistics per capita and Wikipedia page of the UN rape stats per 100, 000

For all Japan's "weird" culture regarding porn, games like this, etc, they are 54 out of 65 for rapes per capita, at 0.017737 per 1,000 people according to my first link. Now, according to the same list the USA is in at 0.301318 per 1,000 people, with South Africa at the top with 1.19538 per 1,000 people.

The UN stats seem to back this up Japan's rates being extremely low, as they say that in Japan in 2002 there were 1.85 rapes per 100,000 people, whereas in the US for example, there were 32.99. I know this is before the game came out, but as people have said, this kind of thing has been around a long time in Japanese culture.

I just think it's important to look at figures such as these, because in my opinion it strengthens the idea that this kind of thing might not necessarily influence the way some people think. Personally, I'd be more worried about all the countries that are higher up the list, without games like this.

Personally, the game doesn't bother me much. I wouldn't play it, but, it's not real at the end of the day. And I don't buy into the arguements about videogames influencing people, apart from the odd psychopath who claims games/music influence them.. but really, if someone's that weak willed, then it's a matter of time before they snapped anyway.

[edit on 14-2-2009 by DarkPassenger]

Originally posted by DarkPassenger
The UN stats seem to back this up Japan's rates being extremely low, as they say that in Japan in 2002 there were 1.85 rapes per 100,000 people, whereas in the US for example, there were 32.99. I know this is before the game came out, but as people have said, this kind of thing has been around a long time in Japanese culture.

I would also say that Japanese women are less likely to report such crimes. I can't back it up with figures but i can say it based upon my experience with Japanese culture. There is still a big code of honour in Japan and being raped would no doubt damage their honour. So keeping it hidden would be a good idea.

Just a personal view but i think that would explain a lot of the statistics. Japan does have a very open attitude to sex though and i wish we had the same openess in other countries. It would no doubt reduce the number of unwanted and teenage pregnancies, along with the STD rate.

I'm not defending the game though, it's truly disgusting to invent something like this. Still it shouldn't be banned either, after all it's only computer pixels, not real humans.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


I was wondering that too actually, about Japanese women possibly being less inclined to report it, and that might be true to an extent, but if we're using statistics we can only go on what's quoted. Even if you take it into consideration though, considering Japan's at 1.85 and the US (again, an example) at 32.99, I don't think an extra 31.14 rapes per 100 000 could be explained away as just an unwillingness to report it.

Still though, there's obviously a market for this game, or it wouldn't have been made.. so, could it be possible that because the market's being catered for, it leaves men with these desires for an outlet for them, instead of having to resort to the actual act itself.

Originally posted by DarkPassenger
Still though, there's obviously a market for this game, or it wouldn't have been made.. so, could it be possible that because the market's being catered for, it leaves men with these desires for an outlet for them, instead of having to resort to the actual act itself.

A good question and a very hard one to answer. I made a thread ages back about animated child pornography after i found an article about it on the BBC. The man arrested with it stated he had switched from real child porn to the animated kind. So it is possible that this stuff could prevent some rapes. I doubt it would stop them all, but even stopping some is a good thing.

reply to post by DarkPassenger


It's quite possible that providing porn serves as an outlet to curb amoral behaviorism... but it isn't a possibility that most are willing to entertain.

Back when Reagan was president (I believe it was Reagan), they did a study on the effects pornography had on people's behavior. The study didn't support the position the people in power wanted (That it had no deleterious affects but in fact might have beneficial effects on behaviorism).

So what did the administration do? They fired the people on that study panel and hired someone with an opinion that matched the administrations.

Because porn can't be allowed to be seen as beneficial or helpful, it must be seen as sinful, degrading and harmful to society.

I personally would be inclined to believe the outlet theory, as it's demonstrable.

Huh! i was wondering why the seeds for this game where so high all of a sudden i guess i know now. Heard about this game a long long time ago.

[edit on 14-2-2009 by Bringer]

reply to post by TheColdDragon


Thanks for the information, I didn't know that. I'll have a look around, see if I cana find any more information on it. Might make for an interesting read at least.

Sadly I can only imagine porn, or animation working on a certain amount of people, both rapists and child pornographers (as ImaginaryReality1984 mentioned). If the person realises what they want is wrong even though it might not feel like it to them, then I could imagine something like this working, or them at least trying it.. because it'd be simulating what they wanted, but without actually doing it and harming someone. It's the ones that just follow their baser insticts even if they know they're wrong/hurtful, and go out and rape/touch a child that there's a problem with. These are the one's who'd go out and do it anyway I'd imagine, so, don't see a way to stop it.

Sorry for going off topic, just got on a little tangent of thought up there

Edit: I remember IR1984 mentioning a code of honour that might stop women reporting it. Wonder if the same kind of code of honour stops so many men going out and comitting the crime in the first place. There's got to be something to explain the large difference in rates between some countries, and others.

[edit on 14-2-2009 by DarkPassenger]

[edit on 14-2-2009 by DarkPassenger]

Before you all go blaming japan for being immoral and whatnot you should probably think long and hard about some things... They live in the best run country in the world, they have the one of the highest life expectancy, their transport system is perfect and their crime is much lower then the US.
You put murder and rape and necrophilia and satan and everything else you can think of in your cinemas and movies which just get sickos riled up about that kinda stuff without a release. Games like this are a release for sick individuals thats why this kind of stuff is lower over there. No kiddy fiddling supressed priests there. They know that this a just a game. Nothing more and people that blow it out of proportion should wonder where the majority of this filth comes from, thats right the US. Highest sex crimes, highest pedophilia, highest gun crime rates.
It doesn't matter if they make a game intended for a small part of the market, you have snuff films of chicks getting raped and then killed, they only imitate it so people dont get hurt. JAPAN IS A COUNTRY BETTER THEN ANY IN THE WEST COULD EVEN DREAM OF BECOMING

Originally posted by DarkPassenger

Edit: I remember IR1984 mentioning a code of honour that might stop women reporting it. Wonder if the same kind of code of honour stops so many men going out and comitting the crime in the first place. There's got to be something to explain the large difference in rates between some countries, and others.

It's a very strange thing the Japanese code of honour. As an example take Japanese school girls.

There father would be disgraced if they prostituted themselves, but if they get paid to have sex to put themselves through school, then that's ok. I was told that from a Japanese girl who was disgusted with her classmates. She saw it as backward.

The men raping the women wouldn't be disgraced because men are still seen as the higher being in Japan. They can talk about equality but generally speaking women are still submissive. You wouldn't think it walking down the street in Tokyo but it is true.

reply to post by Wolfpack Rebellion


Not all the posts in this thread are blaming Japan, far from it if you'll look at some of the last ones, mine included.

Found a small study similar to the one you mentioned TheColdDragon, about Canadian Customs paying researchers to study customs officials that spent time watching extreme hardcore porn. From the site: "Their work most often focuses on materials of an extreme nature which deal with clearly unacceptable sexual activities such as incest, children in a sexual context, necrophilia, bestiality, and sex involving violence, bondage and degradation.""

The 1992 study's key finding of no appreciable harm from heavy porn viewing contradicts the arguments accepted by the Supreme Court of Canada three years ago in widening the legal definition of obscenity. The finding also runs counter to current social science orthodoxy -- and to the expectations of the principal researcher, Queen's psychology professor William Marshall.

link to the study

Lends more weight to the idea that games like this, while not to everyone's tastes, aren't responsible for sex crimes.

reply to post by DarkPassenger


What i don't understand is the current ban in the UK on violent porn. We have consenting couples that have bondage sex, there are clubs devoted to it and even private estate houses that you can rent for a weekend to practice your pleasure. So why ban the porn?

No i'm not into it i just know people who are.

Point being i don't understand why we are intent on banning all this sexual behavior when it's consenting. The same for the game, it's not real, none of it is real, they are pixels on a screen. The games are meant for adults, not children and i somehow doubt a parent would buy a rape game for their child.

Just becasue one culture in one tiny little strip of country finds it ok to go around and honor things that are not honorable to others doesnt make it right or moral.

Point to all of this is that this material obviously is not seen as just another video game, otherwise it would not be such a controversial subject to spread out over several pages in a thread on a forum, and I will bet there are other forums, particularly game forums that are just as active on the debate about this game as this thread is here at ATS.

It might be acceptable in one part of the world, or one little country, but that isnt a free ride ticket to make it or force it to be acceptable elsewhere.

Someone was saying earlier that games do not influence people. Wrong!

What about that 9 yr old kid who stole his parents mini van and drove off to school because he missed the bus and said to the police that he played the game grand theft auto and is where he "learned" how to drive?

What about those shooters of the Columbine High School where they left notes about their consistant paying of the game "Doom" and also wrote how their need to kill stemmed from that game.

These are only two examples, but is there only two examples of people or kids playing video games? How much chaos has gone un-reported or un-seen on the radar screen that shows someone's actions were based on a video game they played?

Isnt it quite peculiar, that "joy riding" of stolen cars seemed to peak, especially in the LA area, shortly after the first GTA game came out?

You put a person into an environment long enough, be it a real environment or virtual environment on a contiuous basis, that person begins to mimick that environment mentally and then soon, applies that to their world around them. Its called adaptive programming and its been proven time and time again.

This rape game might keep kiddy pedos away from kids for a short term, or keep rapists away from actually raping women in the real world..for a short term..then eventually after so much time getting off on virtual reality, soon that will turn into real reality. Again, its been proven and is historical fact.

Go ahead and be in denial to support a imoral game. Ignore the facts, ignore the history, ignore the truth. If a spongebob squarepants cartoon can influence kids, and if tv shows and movies can influence people to dress up like klingons and darth maul, imagine what kind of influence will be instilled onto a sex maniac playing a rape game.

IMO, Japan can keep their "honorable" sick crap to themselves. If I were to see that on any store shelf out here, rest assured I would be the first in the protest line demanding its removal.

I dont believe in censorship, but when morals and principles are shadowed by something like this game, thats where the line MUST be drawn.

There is a proper place for that game....file 13.

The above is my opinion and not the opinion of ATS, its staff or other members. I stick to my opinion and I dont care what others might think, say or attempt to say to change it. So dont even try, you will loose way before you even start.




Cheers!!!!

Originally posted by RFBurns
Point to all of this is that this material obviously is not seen as just another video game, otherwise it would not be such a controversial subject to spread out over several pages in a thread on a forum, and I will bet there are other forums, particularly game forums that are just as active on the debate about this game as this thread is here at ATS.

So tell me, what is the difference in a rape game and the normal games that people like myself play? I play games where i assassinate people, blow peoples heads off, blow up entire buildings etc. So why don't we ban these games that support murder and mayhem, even anarchy! It's a game that's why, it's a game that isn't real. I don't have any intention to play this rape game but i don't want it banned, it's a game.

Originally posted by RFBurns
It might be acceptable in one part of the world, or one little country, but that isnt a free ride ticket to make it or force it to be acceptable elsewhere.

Someone was saying earlier that games do not influence people. Wrong!

What about that 9 yr old kid who stole his parents mini van and drove off to school because he missed the bus and said to the police that he played the game grand theft auto and is where he "learned" how to drive?

Erm that kid shouldn't have been playing that game and your entire argument is therefore flawed. The games are meant for adults, they are labelled as such because kids don't always see the difference between reality and games.

Originally posted by RFBurns
What about those shooters of the Columbine High School where they left notes about their consistant paying of the game "Doom" and also wrote how their need to kill stemmed from that game.

If you read further you'll find they were already strange before that game and i believe one of them was on antidepressants. Violent people will often get obsessed with violent things. It could be argued that the obsession with the game delayed the physical act and if someone had noticed maybe it wouldn't have happened.

Originally posted by RFBurns
These are only two examples, but is there only two examples of people or kids playing video games? How much chaos has gone un-reported or un-seen on the radar screen that shows someone's actions were based on a video game they played?

Kids shouldn't be playing games rated 18. To blaim it on the game is wrong, blaim it on the parents who bought them the game! Imagine your parents buying you an 18 movie when you were a kid, did that happen often? I know someone who was shown the uncut version of Robocop when he was 8 years old and even today he still isn't right, he gets upset when people even reference that film.

Yet millions of adults have seen that film and not been effected, because they understand the difference between reality and fiction.

Originally posted by RFBurns
Isnt it quite peculiar, that "joy riding" of stolen cars seemed to peak, especially in the LA area, shortly after the first GTA game came out?

Again underage kids shouldn't be playing an adult game. All of your arguments seem to be based around this.

Originally posted by RFBurns
You put a person into an environment long enough, be it a real environment or virtual environment on a contiuous basis, that person begins to mimick that environment mentally and then soon, applies that to their world around them. Its called adaptive programming and its been proven time and time again.

Well by that logic after three years of playing World Of Warcraft i'll be looking for ogres to slay in the local sewer

Originally posted by RFBurns
This rape game might keep kiddy pedos away from kids for a short term, or keep rapists away from actually raping women in the real world..for a short term..then eventually after so much time getting off on virtual reality, soon that will turn into real reality. Again, its been proven and is historical fact.

No it isn't actually. The level of people with violent rape thoughts is far higher than we know. Rapists act upon their impulses but it's very possible that many others have these thoughts. In fact if you had friends in the S&M industry you'd find out that many of them have had these thoughts and yet they don't rape people. They gravitate towards consenting relationships that please both partners. Some people have the self control to not actually rape people but have the thoughts to do so.

I can also encourage you to look up OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder). Many people with this disorder endure intrusive thoughts. These are often violent and sometimes paedophilic in nature and yet they rarely act upon them and are often tortured by those thoughts. To make such a blanket statement that if you have those thoughts you will act upon them shows you haven't done any real research into the matter.

Originally posted by RFBurns
Go ahead and be in denial to support a imoral game. Ignore the facts, ignore the history, ignore the truth. If a spongebob squarepants cartoon can influence kids, and if tv shows and movies can influence people to dress up like klingons and darth maul, imagine what kind of influence will be instilled onto a sex maniac playing a rape game.

I don't ignore any facts but you make false arguments. Of course this stuff effects kids, but kids shouldn't be playing it! As for people dressing like characters from games, well come on now, are you really saying that's the same thing? I've been to events like that and the people dressing up are laughing, joking and having a great time. They don't dress up to be the character they just find it fun and a laugh.

The cartoon doesn't make them dress that way, their passion for the genre does. Rapists who rape are always going to do so, they might use porn to fuel their fantasies but it's always in their mind that they'll do it. Whereas someone with these thoughts who doesn't have an outlet will get frustrated and act upon it.

Just take a look at catholic priests. No outlet and well you get the point.

Originally posted by RFBurns
IMO, Japan can keep their "honorable" sick crap to themselves. If I were to see that on any store shelf out here, rest assured I would be the first in the protest line demanding its removal.

Well done for supporting freedom of expression. How sad we are banning everything we consider immoral when it doesn't harm anyone.

Originally posted by RFBurns
I dont believe in censorship, but when morals and principles are shadowed by something like this game, thats where the line MUST be drawn.

There is a proper place for that game....file 13.

I bolded the bit above simply because ti's one of the most unbelievable things i've seen on ATS. You don't believe in censorship and yet you want to censor this, ahh hypocrisy is never far away huh. You do understand the whole basis of censorship is morals and principles. You only want this banned because it's finally hit your personal ones. Yet for years i'm sure you've done things others would consider immoral. Ever seen a violent movie? Ever had sexual thoughts? Ever eaten meat, cheese, worn leather?

All of these are considered immoral by someone and yet i'm willing to bet you've done some of them. So maybe we should ban them all huh, after all they're crossing that line you mentioned for some people.

Originally posted by RFBurns
The above is my opinion and not the opinion of ATS, its staff or other members. I stick to my opinion and I dont care what others might think, say or attempt to say to change it. So dont even try, you will loose way before you even start.

Cheers!!!!

I'm not trying to change your opinion. Just pointing out the hypocrisy and flawed argument that is behind it.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


Are you on the local sex offenders list? Are you forbidden to purchase guns of any kind? Do you have a record of joy riding and stealing cars? Do you have a desire to take your virtual reality into the real reality?

Note how all these questions apply to you. Now lets get one of those sex maniacs in here, or one of those joy riders in here, or one of those kids who drives mom's mini vans to school and then ask those questions.


See the difference.


You are able to keep yourself from going around shooting up people. You have the ability to control yourself. Does that mean that others can too?

No it doesnt.

THAT is the point.

Instead of ignoring the obvious and making up lame excuses to pamper the issue, see it for what it is and its potential for worse.

I play plenty of shoot-em-up games, and have been since the day they came out in the old style 2D slide show arcade style. Thats alot of years playing shooting games. But like you, I have the ability to know the difference between reality and virtual reality.

There are, unfortunately, people who do not know that defining line and do in fact take their virtual worlds with them into the real world.

That is where the potential for a serious problem is, especially with this rape game. There is historical proof, hard proof..that there are in fact people who cannot seperate the virtual from the real world and mesh the two into one. That should be obvious..unless you have been under a rock the last 15 years or perhaps living too much in that virtual world to know whats going on in the real world.

But I wont assume you are incapable of controlling yourself and knowing the difference. Only you and each individual can answer that question.

Right now, I question people's support of this kind of game, and what is going on in their heads to assume that all will be just fine with it, when there is plenty of evidence to the contrary that games do influence people, and some of them take it to the extreme.

This rape game is no different, its not immune to that fact, and it can and probably will be influential to some sex maniac rapist out there who will take it byond the screen.

I hope that those who play this garbage dont let your kids the chance to see from around the corner of the doorway, or find their way into it and start it up...or worse yet...find it on those p2p torrent sites and download it and play it without you knowing it.

Of all else, that right there should be the utmost concern to all parents and decent people. Its just a point and click away.

Ive already blocked every single torrent site out on my routers so I know for a fact my kid's pc's cannot access those sites, and I monitor their activities very very closely. There is not a single activity they do on their pc's that I dont know about. LogMeIn is a wonderful watchdog tool.

Sometimes morality and principle takes precedence over pleasure friend.




Cheers!!!!

reply to post by TheColdDragon

Wow.

I'm speechless, well said.

I have an open mind when it comes to video games, as i understand it is a game for these reasons of a game and virtual experience. Mature and Adult themed games do have their place just as those in the movie, music entertainment industry do.

But Rape, is pushing a virtual / reality line a bit to far. Unfortunetly when this breaks into the mainstream news, itll cause like everything in videogames adult related - which is a mass of angry people with a mob mentality demanding videogames as a whole should be banned.

Some games I am sure will have been hacked to feature sex a certain notrious GTA San Andreas mod and of course there are games which feature a virtual hottie and do what you like to her.

There are numerous homebrew coders who develop their own software and if theres a market for it, it will sell.

Is this an actual released title in Japan?

reply to post by RFBurns


Now you've explained in more detail in your second post, I can see where you're coming from regarding people who can't seperate reality from fantasy. I guess because I know I can, I just assume everyone else can too, unless they're children. Guess that's my mistake.

But, what's the solution? Ban anything remotely violent because someone who can't tell the difference might play the video/game with questionable content in? It's not feasible, and it's unfair on the 99% of the population who have an IQ of more than 3 and can tell the difference between fantasy and reality.

As with everything else, there's no a perfect solution. But, more people should be responsible for their kids like you are. It's simple for people to say (including some parents I know) "Oh, well you can't watch your kid 24/7, and with the internet they'll get stuff anyway....etc, etc.." but it's just an excuse. If people don't want their kids playing GTA or something, then take control and stop them. Simple.