Rapelay virtual rape game banned by Amazon

Originally posted by RFBurns
Are you on the local sex offenders list? Are you forbidden to purchase guns of any kind? Do you have a record of joy riding and stealing cars? Do you have a desire to take your virtual reality into the real reality?

Note how all these questions apply to you. Now lets get one of those sex maniacs in here, or one of those joy riders in here, or one of those kids who drives mom's mini vans to school and then ask those questions.


See the difference.

Actually i don't know and you missed the point of my entire post. You see the people who commit these crimes will commit them anyway.Regardless of having a game, video, porn they will do this anyway. I agree with bans on real videos of rape and child abuse because that actually hurts the child, man or woman involved in the abuse. A game however does not, it is just pixels.

Most people who play everyday games don't go out and kill anyone because they know the difference between reality and fiction and have no intention of killing anyone. Whereas someone who wants to rape someone will play these games because they want to rape and it just feeds their fantasies. Without the game they would have imagined it and then just gone out and raped anyway.

There may be people who play this and never rape anyone, it may even save them from their sick ideas.

Originally posted by RFBurns
You are able to keep yourself from going around shooting up people. You have the ability to control yourself. Does that mean that others can too?

No it doesnt.

THAT is the point.

Again those without control will hurt people regardless of the game.

Originally posted by RFBurns
Instead of ignoring the obvious and making up lame excuses to pamper the issue, see it for what it is and its potential for worse.

I'm afraid it is you who is making up the lame excuses to ban it and the fact you said you don't support censorship but you do want this censored because it infringes upon your principles says an awful lot and is utterly hypocritical.

Originally posted by RFBurns
I play plenty of shoot-em-up games, and have been since the day they came out in the old style 2D slide show arcade style. Thats alot of years playing shooting games. But like you, I have the ability to know the difference between reality and virtual reality.

You play shoot em ups! Oh my god don't you understand that is against the morlas of some people? By your own logic in the previous post it should be banned immediately because it is against someones morals!!!

Originally posted by RFBurns
There are, unfortunately, people who do not know that defining line and do in fact take their virtual worlds with them into the real world.

These people before video games would have fantasied about them, built it up in their minds and then committed the crime anyway. Banning the game will do nothing other than take a way a release valve that some people may use.

Originally posted by RFBurns
That is where the potential for a serious problem is, especially with this rape game. There is historical proof, hard proof..that there are in fact people who cannot seperate the virtual from the real world and mesh the two into one. That should be obvious..unless you have been under a rock the last 15 years or perhaps living too much in that virtual world to know whats going on in the real world.

I have spent the last 5 years deeply reading research on these issues because i find it fascinating. I have friends in the S&M industry, one of whom owns a club. These people have told me of the consensual things that go on, which are perfectly legal. However many would see these acts as immoral, especially the religious and yet if these clubs, relationships and other things didn't exist i often wonder what these people would do with their sexual drives. Without it maybe they would hurt someone for real?

Originally posted by RFBurns
But I wont assume you are incapable of controlling yourself and knowing the difference. Only you and each individual can answer that question.

Well i control myself quite well thanks, i don't even get drunk, don't smoke, don't use drugs. However millions of people use games like this rape one and never commit a rape. So you have to ask the question, why are they using it? My simple answer is that it fufills some kind of rather horrible need in these people. I would prefer they fill that need with a computer game then not have it and eventually get driven to the point of actual rape, with a real woman/man.

Originally posted by RFBurns
Right now, I question people's support of this kind of game, and what is going on in their heads to assume that all will be just fine with it, when there is plenty of evidence to the contrary that games do influence people, and some of them take it to the extreme.

Some people shoot people with guns they legally own, does that mean we should ban all guns? Some people use computers to attack others, would we ban computers? Some people use cars to run others over, should we ban cars? Your entire argument is coming from the offense this has caused you because your morals say it is wrong and you are making up arguments, without any basis to support those morals.

As that was a cheap shot at the mindset of anyone supporting the use of this game i'll address it. I would never use this game, and i must admit it sickens me, take that into account here, it absolutely sickens me, so why am i supporting it? I believe in free speech, freedom of expression and i don't believe in censorship that is why. You claim to not believe in censorship and yet here you are asking for it. It's a slippery slope. Maybe people who support it realise that slippery slope is there and we have to put up with some horrible things to make sure we keep our valued freedoms.

Originally posted by RFBurns
This rape game is no different, its not immune to that fact, and it can and probably will be influential to some sex maniac rapist out there who will take it byond the screen.

Again people who can act upon their thoughts will act anyway. Who here has had a violent thought to punch their boss when he's screaming at you? The simple fact is that if you go and read the psychology literature you will find that these thoughts are bred into us. It is a throw back to our ancient selves. Most people can control it and no video game will influence them into it. Others can't control control it and will always commit the acts even without the games, videos, pictures.

Originally posted by RFBurns
I hope that those who play this garbage dont let your kids the chance to see from around the corner of the doorway, or find their way into it and start it up...or worse yet...find it on those p2p torrent sites and download it and play it without you knowing it.

That goes back to parenting doesn't it. I don't have kids but i can tell you that if i did i would lock their computers down like you have no idea. The technical knowledge is out there, the parents just have to take the action. If they love their kids they would do it, but often they don't seem to care.

Originally posted by RFBurns
Of all else, that right there should be the utmost concern to all parents and decent people. Its just a point and click away.

Wow so anyone who supports free speech and freedom of expression, anyone who doesn't want censorship isn't a decent person? Your posts are filled with attacks, subtly put in but there nonetheless.

Originally posted by RFBurns
Ive already blocked every single torrent site out on my routers so I know for a fact my kid's pc's cannot access those sites, and I monitor their activities very very closely. There is not a single activity they do on their pc's that I dont know about. LogMeIn is a wonderful watchdog tool.

Sometimes morality and principle takes precedence over pleasure friend.
Cheers!!!!

Well i absolutely commend you for taking action to protect your children from seeing these games. I only wish other parents would do such things. However i should point out that torrent sites carry perfectly legal content as well. I recently downloaded an entire series made by a youtube user on evolution. He asked on his youtube channel for everyone to share it. This is completely legal and very educational so maybe you should go and take a look at it The users channel is potholer45 if i remember correctly. Torrents aren't all illegal evil things you know

Anyway i again can only commend you for taking care as to what your children are exposed to. I am sure you do the same with films and tv and that is the difference here. These games aren't meant for kids, they will of course effect kids because kids don't see the difference.

Take a look at that Manhunt game, another game i'm just utterly disgusted by. A kid here in the UK killed another kid after playing that game obsessively. However he was a kid, shouldn't have been playing it and by all accounts he was very strange before he ever played it.

Violent people will gravitate towards violent games. That is the bottom line. Whereas non violent people may play and enjoy violent games and never become violent.

I just read a rapelay thread on another forum, where they have all played the game. They had seen this news report, and peoples comments like in this forum.

It was funny to see that every single one of them agreed that they would never even think about doing anything close to it in real life, and they find people's views like "they should kill these creators" to be beyond stupid. Not one of them said anything close to wanting to rape anybody. Quite a few on that forum were women too haha.

Just thought I would let people know about some of these so called disgusting, uncivilized people's thoughts on the subject.

Peace.


[edit on 14-2-2009 by _Phoenix_]

Originally posted by Bringer
Huh! i was wondering why the seeds for this game where so high all of a sudden i guess i know now. Heard about this game a long long time ago.

[edit on 14-2-2009 by Bringer]

HAHAHAHAHA

I also thought that this whole amazon deal, and people making a HUGE deal about the game, will make everyone know about it, therefore a LOT more people will play it lol. If you guys don't like the game, it's best not to mention it at all!




[edit on 14-2-2009 by _Phoenix_]

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Thanks for that, says a lot. I admit i thnk this game is disgusting but the idea that everyone playing it is going to go out and rape someone is as stupid as saying that anyone playing Call Of Duty will go out and kill a load of people.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by _Phoenix_

 

Thanks for that, says a lot. I admit i thnk this game is disgusting but the idea that everyone playing it is going to go out and rape someone is as stupid as saying that anyone playing Call Of Duty will go out and kill a load of people.

I also found it funny, I saw a comment that ATS should not be taken seriously unless you have a tinfoil hat in your closet lol. It kind of goes to show how we view something as weird, yet many view us as weird, funny world. Nobody is normal.


[edit on 14-2-2009 by _Phoenix_]

Some other comment's I found funny.


"Bullsh""ts!!!For example..i've played a lot of "violent" and "unpollitically correct" games(one of my foavorites is MANHUNT!!) but i'd never(and i'll never will) think about killing someone for fun..If somebody does this,then this means is simply a retarted,a criminal,a ba!tard..The fault it's not for the games!!"


"...
at least some of the comments are good...
...

I guess it was just a matter of time the games we love will get negative attention. (Which would be great for Illusion if they sold outside Japan )"

"A lot of the comments were unsurprisingly retarded... I hope no one mentions ---------'s name... We'll have those brain dead self righteous morons coming here to complain... The review was extremely dumb as well. I sorta wish Amazon would remove it from the sales list considering that it's mostly stolen stuff..."

"Omigolligosh! The Brits are outraged over such stuff when sexed up adds related to videogaming is the norm? Where you can legally have sex wwith girls below 18 yrs?

Seems like people need to get their priorities straight in Britain................before being concerned over people going about raping girls, fix your recession first, get rid of racial stereotyping (seems prevalent this days from the royal family down to the regulare blokes) and yeah work for world peace.

Then sponsore Rapeplay2 once the economy starts picking up again hehehe"




Anyway I guess what I've learned today is, if you hate something, especially something not even mainstream, and you don't want people to see it then NEVER complain about it, NEVER make a big deal about it because you are advertising it!

Why? because when you complain and make a big deal about it, you let everyone else know about it, and humans are highly curious creatures.

It's one of the reasons why GTA4 got so much sales, parents complained about the game non-stop, (when they should simply not let their children play lol) that so many people came to hear about the game, in the news etc, and because humans are so curious a LOT more people bought the game LOL. Ironic!
GTA loves angry parents lol.

[edit on 14-2-2009 by _Phoenix_]

reply to post by _Phoenix_


I hope the people on the site you view also saw the positive responses from ATS. The ones who don't want it banned who don't see everyone that plays it as a rapist or murderer. The ones here who support free speech and freedom of expression, who are against censorship. Maybe point it out to them if you don't mind.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by _Phoenix_

 

I hope the people on the site you view also saw the positive responses from ATS. The ones who don't want it banned who don't see everyone that plays it as a rapist or murderer. The ones here who support free speech and freedom of expression, who are against censorship. Maybe point it out to them if you don't mind.

I'm sure they are fine, it's a bigger deal in this thread than over there, just a few comments, I'm not bothered to register lol.

"You all eat meat! How could you do something so disgusting! Even reading about it offends me. You even have it in your video games. The game "Theme Park" for example allows you to set up a Burger stand where people can come buy burgers and eat virtual meat! It is horrid! The people who made this game should all be killed. The very thought of eating meat offends and hurts me and so anyone/anything related to the subject should be killed/banned/jailed. That way I can live in my plastic bubble and never be hurt or offended by anyone!"

I hope the point I am trying to make with this post is clear. We are always going to be hurt/offended by the actions of others so get over it and stop trying to shove your own perspective of reality onto other people.

[edit on 14/2/2009 by Shinji]

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I made this point earlier. People are happy for other peoples morals to be offended but as soon as theres are then it's immoral and wrong. This is just hypocrisy and needs to be addressed.

this thread is absolutely absurd

im truly ashamed of humanity from just scrolling through this thread

a lot of immature people with a lack of morals here

i cant believe this is even debatable or defendable

especially on the basis that theres so much worse out there

if i ever get arrested, ill just use that as my defense, "well judge i dont know how you're trying to prosecute me, theres so much worse out there"

seriously morons

i really hope someday the people of this planet will grow up and learn how to face the problems at hand, because theres a lot of serious problems, and we're just going to breed a whole generation of degenerates

and they wont be 80s babies, they'll be 2000's babies that grow up in a world of filth and immorality, im not saying go out and everyone be little angels but jesus use a little common sense

we talk crap about grand theft auto and all these other violent video games

well we cant get away from that, not until we stop war, but that wont happen

but we arent forced to see rape everyday, except now, now we're making video games about rape

i really dont want to see what lifes going to be like in 20 years if this is the road we're going down

we have so much knowledge and technology, and we waste it raping virtual women

i guess thats what constitutes a "real man" nowadays

pathetic

reply to post by Dramey


Dramey, maybe you should actually read the replies. The point i'm trying to make is that if you start limiting free speech it is a slippery slope. The reason real rape is illegal is obvious, it hurts someone directly. This game doesn't hurt anyone at all other than those offended by the idea of it. IF we ban this then next it'll be "normal" porn, then it'll be nudity in films, then we'll have a run at swearing, then violence then, well you get the point here. It'll keep going until we live in a world where you aren't allowed to say anything that may offend anyone ever.

The problem is that someone is always offended by something and so we cannot ban anything fictional. This is freedom of expression and i for one will not have it damaged.

As for calling people morons, well that's not exactly an intelligent debating style so you may want to take a look at that comment again. People like you are the ones who are killing democracy, slowly but surely you're doing away with it by allowing things to be censored and banned.

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I Think it go's to show how people like to categorize others then place them in "that category" and treat them the way they think they should be treated. and of course everyone has a different category and a way to file them.

But back to the topic i believe this will prevent more crimes of rape then it entices. fore there is always a balance and there will always be people that do wrong no matter what.

reply to post by wolf241e


This is so foul it makes me sick. No need to elaborate- it should be rather obvious.

Originally posted by Mynaeris
This kind of game will only stop when mysogynistic men can empathize with the violation raped women experience during and after the fact. Perhaps the answer is a series of games and movies where hetero men are raped by other men.

Really good point. And I understand you are not advocating actually doing such things- just making a point how many men in this world think rape is really not that big of a deal when a woman is the victim. However, suddenly their cringe-factor wakes up when it is a man who is the victim.

Here is a real life example. I've heard so many men in real life and in the media talk about how disturbing the movie Deliverance was. My curiosity finally got the better of me one day so I rented it to see what all the commotion was about. What was the scene that disturbed men so badly? The scene where Ned Beatty's character is raped by another man.

Since women are generally the more submissive in society while men are the dominant, many men see a female being raped as something 'bad' but not 'an outrage' (unless it's their mother, daughter, sister, etc.). Yet when a man is the victim, their dominance is trivialized and suddenly it makes them think just how damaging rape can actually be, physically and emotionally.

*** Please note the above is not ALL men or even MOST men. But I have seen such attitudes in the world and in the media.

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Uhm, OMG!! You have games where you put a gun to a person's face and pull the trigger then watch him die!!
Why aren't these games banned??

Originally posted by AshleyD
Since women are generally the more submissive in society while men are the dominant, many men see a female being raped as something 'bad' but not 'an outrage' (unless it's their mother, daughter, sister, etc.). Yet when a man is the victim, their dominance is trivialized and suddenly it makes them think just how damaging rape can actually be, physically and emotionally.

*** Please note the above is not ALL men or even MOST men. But I have seen such attitudes in the world and in the media.

I am disgusted at this game, yet i don't want it banned because it's about free speech. I would be equally disgusted by a game where men were raped, not more disgusted, equally. I would still support the existence of that game. Rape is rape, no matter which sex is being raped.

A computer game however is a game, it isn't a real person being raped or harmed. The people using such a game are often not rapists. I personally think there is something wrong with them wanting to play this thing but i still wouldn't ban it. Maybe it serves their needs and prevents them from ever becoming violent. That to me is a good thing.

Instead of haggling with anyone or getting into arguments, here is an article I found about the game on Wiki:

In story mode, the player rapes the three girls in the order of Manaka, Yuuko, and Aoi. The player starts off in the train station. Upon entering the train, the main character commits chikan on the female the main character is currently in the train with. After the main character finishes raping all three girls, the players has the option of free play H scenes.

The story begins with Kimura being arrested for groping Aoi on a subway train. His father is an important politician, and manages to get his son released from jail. The next day, Kimura waits outside the Kiryuu family house and listens to their conversation. He follows Manaka, the youngest, to the subway and gropes her on the train. After getting off the train, he traps her in a public bathroom and rapes her, taking pictures of her semen-covered naked body with his cell phone. Kimura instructs Manaka to feign sickness the next day, and stay in her room.

The next day he follows Yuuko, the mother, from her house to the train station where he fondles her on the train. Kimura follows her to the city park, when Manaka calls Yuuko on her cell phone. As per his plan, Manaka tells her that she is in the bushes at the park, and when Yuuko walks towards the bushes, Kimura ambushes her and ties her up. He then rapes her in the park, and takes pictures of her semen-covered naked body before handing her over to his gang of helpers on the side, who detain her for him.

The third day he follows Aoi, the oldest daughter, to the train station and shows her the photo of her tied up mother. Shocked, she can only follow his orders as he gropes her on the train. After getting off the train, she asks Kimura why he is doing this, at which point she remembers he is the chikan who was arrested for molesting her. Getting on a vehicle, he and his helpers take Aoi to a hotel which his family owns, and rapes her, again taking photos.

After having his way with Aoi, Yuuko and Manaka are taken into the room via a secret door. With all 3 captured, he reveales his plans to make them his sex slaves. Of course, Yuuko tries to cover for her daughters, but breaks down in the end, Manaka breaks next, and finally Aoi as well.

After certain achievements have been made, the player has the option of removing the girl's clothing as well as inserting vibrators, but no touching is involved.

...Three other males raping one girl during group sex. The level restrictions for this mode include locations with small space.

Neko-Kappa mode allows the player to have one or two girls tied up in bondage and perform a rape on them.[2]

en.wikipedia.org...

If you can either:

1) Read that without your stomach turning.

2). Find something defensible about that (example: defending it as free spech, art, etc.)

Please send me a u2u so I can put your twisted, sick self on ignore. Seriously. Stay away from me because you seriously creep me out.

Originally posted by AshleyD
If you can either:

1) Read that without your stomach turning.

2). Find something defensible about that (example: defending it as free spech, art, etc.)

Please send me a u2u so I can put your twisted, sick self on ignore. Seriously. Stay away from me because you seriously creep me out.

1) I read that and my stomach turned.

2) IT IS FREE SPEECH. Ashley you can ignore me if you wish but the point of free speech is that you may hear things yo udon't like to hear. That is the very core and basis of it. If you don't like that then i suggest you move to a country that suppresses it and controls everything.

As for people defending it on the basis of free speech creeping you out, well it's nice to know free speech is creepy. I really don't like racists either but i support their right to preach their racist message. You know someone like you would be the first to defend your religion against free speech even someone may find your religion offensive but when something offends you, oh it has to be banned instantly. How can you call anyone who defends this game twisted when they themselves may very well be utterly disgusted by it? I struggle to put into words how horrible i find this game and yet i support it's existence.

Maybe some people can put their principles in context instead of reacting purely on emotions. You scare me ashley, along with many other posters here, because you are so happy to give yup free speech so quickly. It's a very sad thing.

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Saying 'it is a slippery slope of taking away the rights of free speech' sounds as ridiculous to me as people who say it is a slippery slope legalizing gay marriage because next people will want to marry their dogs.

Your 'slippery slope' defense in this discussion is it could eventually lead to banning violence in films, banning cussing in media, etc. when trends are pointing to the EXACT OPPOSITE. Films and video games are getting more extreme- not less.

On the other hand, my slippery slope is what trends ARE pointing to. An increase in rape, murder, violence, and a desensitization to all of it. Not to mention MORE sexualizing and dehumanizing of women. CONSTANTLY portraying them more and more as nothing more than sperm receptacles and mindless sexual objects. It makes me sick.

As another member said, what next? Child molestation games? I mean, hey. It's just free speech and that child is only virtual.

You say acting out the fantasy could help someone dispel that desire because they released that tension by playing the game. But it could also only make that desire greater.

Anyways, this is my last post to this thread. Say whatever you want in reply, IR. I'm not responding because there will be no reasoning with people who can defend this.

Originally posted by AshleyD
Anyways, this is my last post to this thread. Say whatever you want in reply, IR. I'm not responding because there will be no reasoning with people who can defend this.

Then there is no point responding to your post. Crossing your arms, saying your words and walking away like a child is not something i will bother responding to. There is no reasoning with people who turn their backs on debate.