Congress Seeks To Authorize & Legalize FEMA Camp Facilities

One thing we do need to clarify is that this is a member of the house not congress that is introducing bill... which to be honest is even more worrying as the house is supposed be representing the people even more.. then the senate... lets see if this bill gets thru... we need to stop it at its infancy!!!!

Originally posted by questioningall

I find this unbelievable, I would have thought the FEMA camps were more of an undercover type operation, but it seems it is not.

As I have stated more than once..these so called camps are simply for emergency uses where natural disasters displace people from their homes. It is so that people have a place to go instead of piling up in a football stadium or pack in like sardines at hotels and place burdens on other cities.

I really wish these doom and gloom types would stop their nonsense and simply do the research.

Originally posted by questioningall
I am starting to get convinced that it does not matter who is in control of Congress and the Senate - we are going to get screwed either way.

I truely thought the Congress kept going along with Bush, as they didn't have enough votes to ever over ride him, but I am being proven wrong.

The fact, they are introducing this bill, is scary.

Even though we already know that detention facilities are already in place, they now want to legalize the construction of FEMA camps on military installations using the ever popular excuse that the facilities are for the purposes of a national emergency.

Once again, wording can be very misleading, as it is in that external quote above. The use of the word "detention" in front of facilities is an example of media manipulation, and is the very core of the problem with assuming something is, when it is clearly not...as indicated below.....

Originally posted by questioningall
Here is Section 2 of the bill being introduced:

SEC. 2. ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.
(a) In General- In accordance with the requirements of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military installations.

(b) Purpose of National Emergency Centers- The purpose of a national emergency center shall be to use existing infrastructure--

(1) to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster;

(2) to provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of Federal, State, and local first responders;

(3) to provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations; and

(4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.

To meet other appropriate needs simply means that these facilities can be used for more than emergency situations. Suppose there is some major breakdown of a city's water or sewer system, or it is attacked, or perhaps some foolish nation decides to attempt an invasion. These facilities can be diverse in their applications depending on the need.

It does NOT, anywhere in any of the linked documentation, say that these facilities will be used to round up American citizens and treat American citizens like prisoners. They are NOT for hording up people to gas to death.

I for one would like to see just 1 piece of evidence where any of this documentation...OFFICIAL documentation, not some quote or paragraph from a doom and gloom website or blog, that says these facilites are intended to round up American citizens from their homes in the middle of the night to imprison them.

Anyone....ANYONE..please provide that evidence.

Originally posted by questioningall
It also says, the Secretary of Homeland Security can not set up any fewer than 6 centers on the bases. It continues to say, they can do anything they deem is neccessary at those facilities.

Link to article: www.roguegovernment.com...

Section 3 is very long, but you can read it at the above link. I will insert it, if mods say it is ok.

This is to prevent overcrowding if the emergency is large.

Doesnt anyone get it yet? After Katrina, everyone was crying foul and how badly the government and FEMA handled the disaster. Well apparently government and FEMA listened, and are doing something about it to prevent another disaster on top of a disaster.

Its so easy for people to slap a label on something and declare it a prison camp, but yet it is even more easy to simply look up the facts and see that the government and FEMA is actually trying to do something for the public in cases of disaster.

Now if there are a hord of sheeple that go running around purposely causing chaos and riots, you bet those idiots will be rounded up and put into these facilities and guarded closely. Look at it this way, its better to round up the idiots who will cause damage and harm and put them into a nice comfortable facility than to pack them in into already crowded federal and state prison facilities where these idiots will really be facing terror.

Get a grip folks. These facilities are for our benefit when needed. And when the next Katrina hits and you are displaced from your home for weeks at a time, you will remember this thread and then remember what I and others have been saying for the last several months, and be gracious that there is a roof over your head for you and your family.




Cheers!!!!

reply to post by hotrodturbo7


I knew the whole idea that I am some sort of "government plant" or "shill" would be said since I don't believe that the government wants to lock me up in a prison camp.

I'll put it to you like this, I'm about as real as a heart attack son. My bio is about as typical as any American middle class white man growing up in a major urban center. If you care to know who I am feel free to e-mail me at [email protected]. And I can can show you how real I am.

I am one who has read up on a lot of this stuff and am not buying most of it. I do own a gun, and some extra rations in case the worse happens, and that is more likely to be from a terrorist attack, or natural disaster than some sort of NWO herding of the masses onto a train like in Nazi Germany.

Trust me when I say I am not one you would mess with in person, and just assume kill you than let you take what is mine.

We need to get in touch with our Representatives on this one and let them know in no uncertain terms that we want them to vote no on this bill. We can help get it killed "in committee" by getting in touch with all members of the committee in which it was introduced on January 22nd. That way, it won't even get to the floor of the House of Representatives for a vote. Let's get moving!

Some info on Alcee Hastings, the guy who introduced the bill..

Hastings was previously a lawyer and judge. He spent ten years as a federal judge (1979-1989), but was impeached and removed from office for corruption and perjury.

Corruption and perjury... NICE. And only the sixth federal judge to be impeached in american history... so we're talking about some big crook there.

And we'll see if it passes... probably will... democrats are always for bigger government.

And for the guy saying it's only because FEMA screwed up... from the evidence we have they did it on purpose, stopping outside help coming in, wasting ressources trying to collect legal guns in dry areas, ect...

Instead of wasting money on that, do what all government should do, teach their own citizens to be independant from the government.

[edit on 27-1-2009 by Vitchilo]

reply to post by buttafuqua


I with you on this one. ATS has turned me off to most conspiracy. If you really buy the NWO thing then man has never really gone to war with another country for anything besides the NWO. They are the most known top secret society. If the NWO realy controls all then why have they not done anything ever? Someone once said new world order as in a new way of doing things and it got turned into a secret society. to date i have not seen any NWO,Amero,FEMA camp,FEMA box car,RFID chip, real ID, it ALL CRAP.

reply to post by RFBurns


Or perhaps these camps can be used for housing the 100's of 1000's of unemployed people along with the foreclosure people along side all of the sick and starving people from the unemployed and homeless groups!

reply to post by thefreepatriot


I don't know. I was just trying to make the point of how logistically impossible this would be. Many just seem to accept this is going to happen and don't use any gray matter to back it up.

reply to post by CNRHKick

The dots have been explained way too many times

Well if anyone has any information an any of the claimed FEMA camps thats anywhere close to being true. Put it out!!

mikell

reply to post by questioningall


The bill states the facilities would be for emergency humanitarian use. If they are going to use it for something else, which of course would be illegal, why introduce a bill at all?

If they plan on breaking the law, introducing a bill is utterly pointless as you cannot introduce/pass a bill that is illegal.

Why even bother passing the bill if they intend on using these FEMA camps as jails??? or whatever???

And why would obama OK something like this while at the same time shutting down gitmo and other foreign prisons? Makes no sense.

[edit on 27-1-2009 by jfj123]

reply to post by arizonascott


I'm not beyond accepting that a government could stoop to this. I just don't know that it is possible in today's world.

Imagine how weak this would make our country and how vulnerable to attack we would be. This would have to happen world wide on a massive scale to work at all.

I'd say that if this ever did become reality, there would have to be a major World War. Billions would have to die first. Entire powerful nations would have to be brought to their knees.

If just the US did this, we would be so weak that we would be sitting ducks. Our entire Military would be tied up just dealing with us.

I really hope the FEMA camps get shut down.

I can think of not ONE good reason to have them.

Heres the thing, Democracy depends upon the will of the governed. While a riot or a protest or an uprising is bad -- what is worse is the government that can stop it. Like, if we voted for politicians to help us prosper and have jobs, and they took all our money and made us indentured servants to an international cabal of banks -- well, that right there would be something that we didn't actually vote fore.

So I don't want to give the government the power to enforce its will -- it needs to govern the people by consent. It would cease to be a Democracy and its better to start a new government at that point.

>> And if you buy anyone's drivel about "Quarantine." Well, I've read some scenarios about that. If you had a population of about 250,000 people in a small city -- the best thing to do is to send out the national guard in HASMAT suites and tell everyone to stay indoors. If you round everyone up, you will likely infect a great percentage of the populace -- pretty much a death sentence. Moving everyone to one place would concentrate the disease and would not protect any lives.

On top of that you have the logistics -- a nightmare. And if people have the feeling they are being herded up, they are more likely to break away and infect other populations.

>> So the only LEGITIMATE point to a FEMA camp is to hold people temporarily during a disaster where they have no housing. But I can't think that just having 100,000 tents on hand wouldn't do a better job and you could move those to where you needed them. A camp requires moving people, and having enough camps to provide housing for people near the disaster area -- which means you need a lot more camps than you would need transportable housing.

So it would be legitimate but pretty dumb and wasteful.

>> Or you would use them to round up dissidents, and scare the crap out of people who might challenge you.

>> So these camps, I'm 100% certain, should be destroyed.

Originally posted by jfj123
reply to post by questioningall

 

The bill states the facilities would be for emergency humanitarian use. If they are going to use it for something else, which of course would be illegal, why introduce a bill at all?

If they plan on breaking the law, introducing a bill is utterly pointless as you cannot introduce/pass a bill that is illegal.

Why even bother passing the bill if they intend on using these FEMA camps as jails??? or whatever???

And why would obama OK something like this while at the same time shutting down gitmo and other foreign prisons? Makes no sense.

[edit on 27-1-2009 by jfj123]

Bukenwald was legal. All sorts of atrocities have been made legal. Legal doesn't mean good or right, it means that authorities have given themselves the legal framework to do it.

reply to post by Muundoggie


How right you are! Its all part of the totalitarian tiptoe!

The Totalitarian Tiptoe is the world domination method of slow encroachment on civil liberties and freedoms, used by a small few that want to control the world. The Totalitarian Tiptoe involves small, easily-accepted (and less noticable) steps to achieve a pre-desired endpoint that would otherwise be totally discarded by the general populace of the world. The favoured Modus Operandi of those that plan a Totalitarian Tiptoe is the Problem-Reaction-Solution formula.

They have been slowly chipping away at our rights for many years now..
This push is right out in our faces.. And so many people said.. FEMA camps are hogwash!! And they claimed there was no real proof to these camps.. Well how does this thread do for a little proof?

Those on ATS who normally are at ends with eachother are in full agreement on this thread.. Now when that happens.. I listen!!!
S&F everyone should see this!

My mask is ready.
My sword is sharpened.

Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
Originally posted by jfj123
reply to post by questioningall

 

The bill states the facilities would be for emergency humanitarian use. If they are going to use it for something else, which of course would be illegal, why introduce a bill at all?

If they plan on breaking the law, introducing a bill is utterly pointless as you cannot introduce/pass a bill that is illegal.

Why even bother passing the bill if they intend on using these FEMA camps as jails??? or whatever???

And why would obama OK something like this while at the same time shutting down gitmo and other foreign prisons? Makes no sense.

[edit on 27-1-2009 by jfj123]

Bukenwald was legal.

Buchenwald was a concentration camp in nazi germany and not in the US in 2009.

What makes you think these FEMA camps would be used as concentration camps? What would be the reason?

All sorts of atrocities have been made legal. Legal doesn't mean good or right, it means that authorities have given themselves the legal framework to do it.

In the United States, you can't make certain things legal if they violate our basic tenents (ie th Constitution). Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld tried that and now the UN special Rep is demanding they be tried for torture.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes an emergency camp is just an emergency camp.

[edit on 27-1-2009 by jfj123]

reply to post by zysin5



I hardly find this to be proof. All this is in itself is common sense.

Developments like this just make you wonder, what the heck are they seeing coming down the pipe that suddenly they need all this legislation to legalize these facilities?


They're telling the public we need it. What they're not telling us is why.


So ask yourselves.


Board the windows folks, there's a hurricane coming.

Originally posted by buttafuqua
Some of you sound like morons when you warn that the end is near. People have been saying that for centuries. Everyone believes they are living in the "end times". However, time continues, and man continues to evolve.

Frankly, this fear of some unknown power illustrates how primative some of your minds work. This is the same reason why witches were burned at the stake in Salem. Fear is one of the most basic of human emotions, and a faceless bogeyman can lead to complete insanity. Come out from under your rocks, and from behind your barricade of guns and ammo, take the tin-foil hats off and join the rational world.

To the outside looking in, most of you are borderline paranoid schitzos. This whole the end is near talk has been going on for years on end on this message board. I'm still waiting for Bush to declare Marshal Law--or maybe some of you wackos have selective memories.

The only thing we have to fear are the fringe basket cases that believe in all this crap. Not to be critical.

Actually, the reason for the salem witch trials was due to LIES! not because it was "misunderstood" or what have you. Remember, a good number of so called "witches" did live. I have seen enough documentaries stating that it was all the fault of a couple of little girls who thought it would be fun to start making up cr*p about people and condemning them. The equivalent of this would be If I took advantage of our current legal system to accuse you of a crime with little to no evidence, or worse, fabricated evidence, and winning.

So I'm sorry, you're analogy doesn't work.