The British have something to say to us Americans!

reply to post by xoxo stacie


if you can do that with a .223 at 700 yards you are my dream woman

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by tensetek

 

On another tack....How many of you who champion gun ownership for all have ACTUALLY fired a gun? AND, how accurate is your targeting practice?

I absolutely have fired and actively maintain all of my firearms. Ive been shooting for 10 years and I, as well as the rest of my family, are incredible shots, and it is all thanks to my grandfather (who was a national pistol shooting champion) and my father (who's a better shot than i am, unfortunately). I own a Glock 19 (my personal favorite), Glock 22 (eh, it packs a punch i guess), a .357 snubby, and a Mossberg 500 with an 18.5 inch barrel. Every time i go to the range, i leave laughing at the poor saps who can barely manage to hit the targets, let alone the silhouette honestly, if you're that bad people, get some friggin' lessons or something, randomly shooting at a bad guy when they break in to your home is how little kids get shot in the head and guns end up getting a bad rap. As for me, i can easily put a 10 round clip of 9mm from the Glock 19 in a 1.5 inch group at 25-30 yards. Im in college at the moment for a criminal justice degree and i plan on being a police officer once i graduate from the academy in a couple years, and i support the right to bear arms 100%.

If someone tries to take my guns, they can have the ammo first...

very misleading video, we havent had guns for 60 years in england, you can own one with a licence but you gotta jump through rings to get it, i would not want to raise my children in a land where guns are legal, maybe that is beyond your comprehension (no offence intended), you dont need em, that video was hyped up pro gun propaganda, like something off of the simpsons, tony martin shot the boy in the back as he was running away with an illegaly owned gun, they could not let him off

reply to post by gibbs1189


gibbs, you have a level head as it comes to the concept of weapons in the home. Too bad there aren't more like you.

In 2004 a total of 29,569 Americans died in the USA from gunfire.

www.gun-control-network.org...

Gun Deaths - International Comparisons Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated): Homicide Suicide Other (inc Accident) USA (2001) 3.98 5.92 0.36 Italy (1997) 0.81 1.1 0.07 Switzerland (1998) 0.50 5.8 0.10 Canada (2002) 0.4 2.0 0.04 Finland (2003) 0.35 4.45 0.10 Australia (2001) 0.24 1.34 0.10 France (2001) 0.21 3.4 0.49 England/Wales (2002) 0.15 0.2 0.03 Scotland (2002) 0.06 0.2 0.02 Japan (2002) 0.02 0.04 0 Data taken from Cukier and Sidel (2006) The Global Gun Epidemic. Praeger Security International. Westport.


yep makes it a much safer place

When the Government no longer fears the people, the people no longer control the Country.



[edit on 26-1-2009 by asmall89]

I'm afraid for many citizens, it is already that way. Revolution could be the answer and taking away people's ability to make it happen starts with domestic spying...and then taking their guns.


[edit on 26-1-2009 by TheDarkNight]

reply to post by THELONIO


LONIO....I see your point, but consider how many Americans died in 2004 in car accidents. I don't know nor have the figures, but I'm willing to wager it was much higher.

I know, I know....it is a hackneyed answer....but, for the moment, even though this is a gun-control issue thread, consider: IF you are sitting there, in your bunker, with all of your guns....then they are USELESS to stop an incoming surface-to-air missile. OR a nuclear bomb.

The ability to predict an impending crime is, well....mostly impossible.

Get my point yet? There are many, many, many things that are out of our immediate control. Owning a gun provides a measure of satisfaction, it is an 'aparrent' feeling of being in control. THAT is a great selling point, from a marketing standpoint.

BUT, let's say it's just YOU, in a house surrounded by two dozen armed LEOs? Just exactly how well will that new gun protect you, in THAT scenario?

Let's flip the script....and imagine a lawless post-apocalyptic World. Again, you are in your Home, favorite gun, or guns, in hand....and surrounded by two, maybe three dozen determined individuals, who may or may not be armed as well....

Have I made a point yet?

i completly agree that guns shouldnt be banned.
i have never seen a gun shoot anybody.
peoples access to guns should be banned.
i have seen someone pick up a gun and shoot someone else.

there is no real reason for people having guns outside of killing people and animals. thats what they are made for. and the falicy of 'i need a gun cause the crims got one' is not a valid reason for gun ownership. it is however an excuse for 'honey its to protect you and the kids (and killing the bastard)' type of thinking. if some one is breaking into your home you dont shoot them you call the police. your tax dollars pay for them remember ?

reply to post by optyk phyba


Right!!! and while were waiting for the police to come, we just ask the intruder's to have a sit and relax or do we see if they would like rape our daughter's while we wait for the police to come!!!

Get Real!!!!

reply to post by optyk phyba


I might just as well advocate that every home should have a loaded cross-bow, ready to fire, in case of intruders.

But, don't let the children play with it!

"You could put your eye out!" (reference to 'A Christmas Story', the movie).

Not wishing to make light of this concept, it's just....IF you wish to have a gun in your home, in case of the (potential risk) of a home intrusion. Then, of course, to be safe, it will be unloaded and stored well away from prying little hands and eyes (your children). Possibly even locked away, which is recommended.

So....you wake up at 0300, and detect an intruder. Your valued weapon is, logically, locked away to keep the kids safe from an accidental shooting....so, NOW WHAT?

It's YOUR house, you should know it, even in the dark....use a baseball bat and bash the intruder's head!!!

Two-fold result....YOU do not come up on charges of murder, nor even assault....since it was clearly a home invasion. (UNLESS you're really good with the bat, and managed to kill the intruder....but, again, he or she was IN YOUR home at the time).

Remember, it doesn't have to be a baseball bat....could be a lamp, or whatever is handy at the time. Point is, a household item will preclude a lot of questions, while a gun will be much more involved.....

SOMEBODY PINCH ME, I MUST BE DREAMING.
I truly cannot believe this is really happening in England of all places.

Quick, somebody show this thread to Rosie O'Donnell.

Somewhere in England there is poster of Dick Cheney armed with his guns.

reply to post by Rockpuck

I actually thought about taking up archery. Let's say we were invaded, and our guns had been confiscated. Well, a bow and arrow is nice and silent, and when the invader is incapacitated, you can then go and take his gun. Voila, you now probably have a nicer weapon than when you started. Where there is will and determination, there is a way. We can still be armed.
Cheers.

reply to post by weedwhacker


take out the leader, and the rest will run like h.e. double tooth picks.

Against the LEO's, well you can take a few with you I guess.

Besides, who says I'm home alone anyway. maybe were armed to the teeth and my families/friends attitude is freedom is never free, many have died to protect the constitution and its our right to live free and defend what our forefathers guaranteed. the right to keep and bear arms!!

some of you folks just don't get it!!! once they take away our guns they have total power and control to take what ever they deem good in their own eyes.

We our their boss, we elected them to power not the other way around!!!

reply to post by weedwhacker


Why don't you hang a "GUN FREE ZONE" sign in your window and let us know how that works out for ya!!!

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by lernmore

 

"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns..."

Well, that is either the funniest, or the sickest thing I have read in a long while.

lernmore, let's get one thing straight: I AM NOT on the 'warpath' against private, responsible and legal ownership of guns.

In fact....I hate to raise this spectre, but imagine the old West...NOT the Hollywood version, but the reality of the untamed and largely unlawful reality of the expansion of the Colonials, across the Mississippi into the the 'Promised Land'(s) of the West.

Do you see yet? THIS is the reality....it is the REASON for the prevalent gun 'culture' in the USA. Not saying it's good, nor is it bad, it just IS!

Dude, the "wild" west really wasn't all that wild. Sure you had your wild places like Deadwood, Tombstone, Dodge City and such, but that was really the most law abiding time in our countries history. And do you know why? People weren't so quick to start trouble with a bunch of armed LAW ABIDING citizens around.

Take a gander at.....The Not, so Wild, Wild West

Originally posted by ludaChris

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by lernmore

 

"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns..."

Well, that is either the funniest, or the sickest thing I have read in a long while.

lernmore, let's get one thing straight: I AM NOT on the 'warpath' against private, responsible and legal ownership of guns.

In fact....I hate to raise this spectre, but imagine the old West...NOT the Hollywood version, but the reality of the untamed and largely unlawful reality of the expansion of the Colonials, across the Mississippi into the the 'Promised Land'(s) of the West.

Do you see yet? THIS is the reality....it is the REASON for the prevalent gun 'culture' in the USA. Not saying it's good, nor is it bad, it just IS!

Dude, the "wild" west really wasn't all that wild(least not until big government got involved). Sure you had your wild places like Deadwood, Tombstone, Dodge City and such, but that was really the most law abiding time in our countries history. And do you know why? People weren't so quick to start trouble with a bunch of armed LAW ABIDING citizens around.

Take a gander at.....The Not, so Wild, Wild West

[edit on 1/26/2009 by ludaChris]

reply to post by weedwhacker


thats it in a nutshell. i can kill someone just as easily with the bedside lamp as i could with a gun. i dont even need a weapon, just my self. the gun is largly irrelivent unless you want to kill lots of people in less time (assuming you dont have access to a nuke).

hell why not... why stop at owning guns, why not have our own mini military in each house complete with f22 raptor, ahbrams tank to drop the kids at school (carjack me now!!!) and enterprise aircraft carrier for when we want to throw in a line and catch a fish. how about a few sidewinders or hellfire missiles to keep next doors dog from fouling the front lawn and a pop up vulcan minigun for the postman (damn 'postal' workers).

guns dont kill people. people kill people. lets try and limit the toll to just the stupid ones.

Amazing, managed to read 5 pages of people repeating the same things over and over again, sorry couldn't manage anymore.

Let's get one thing straight, we have never had the Right to bear arms here in the UK, and guess what, we don't want it!

Yes, unfortunately this country does seem to be going down the pan at the moment with the gradual erosion of our civil liberties, increased surveillance and monitoring, increased crime rates, social decline etc, etc, hell the list is endless.
But ffs, more guns?
Can just see it now, in any town, anywhere in the UK......
Saturday night, kebab shop, usual drunken arguement.....whereas now it usually ends in a drunken brawl would simply end in a shooting.
The UK can be a very, very violent place.
Always has been.
More guns, more deaths.
Simple.

Just for the record if anyone broke into my house I would nail them to a door with a Hilti gun.
No questions asked.

Originally posted by Freeborn
Amazing, managed to read 5 pages of people repeating the same things over and over again, sorry couldn't manage anymore.

Let's get one thing straight, we have never had the Right to bear arms here in the UK, and guess what, we don't want it!

Yes, unfortunately this country does seem to be going down the pan at the moment with the gradual erosion of our civil liberties, increased surveillance and monitoring, increased crime rates, social decline etc, etc, hell the list is endless.
But ffs, more guns?
Can just see it now, in any town, anywhere in the UK......
Saturday night, kebab shop, usual drunken arguement.....whereas now it usually ends in a drunken brawl would simply end in a shooting.
The UK can be a very, very violent place.
Always has been.
More guns, more deaths.
Simple.

Just for the record if anyone broke into my house I would nail them to a door with a Hilti gun.
No questions asked.

So the criminals will still have open season on law abiding citizens. In the states it is illegal to carry a firearm into any establishment that serves alcohol. Of course criminals don't obey that law, but average Joe citizen does. More guns in the hands of the law abiding if anything, simply means more dead criminals, and more safe law abiders.

reply to post by TheDarkNight


I agree to a certain extent.

The only trouble is, if everybody in the UK was suddenly able to get their hands on firearms now, there would be carnage, and even worse I think than on the scale that we see in the US. Guns on the street is not what the UK wants.

If government worked as it should, then there should not be a problem keeping track of firearms for the purposes of removing them if someone becomes a risk to themselves or others. Obviously, it doesn't, but the alternative isn't justified, at least with the state society here in the UK is in at the moment.