President 'has four years to save Earth'

I don't want to come across as pedantic here, but...People keep going on about saving the world, saving the planet, saving the Earth. What they mean is saving OUR world. The world will be just fine without us. Life will go on. Nature abhors a vacuum, as they say.

Regarding OUR world...Climate change is here. Glaciers are receding. Environments are changing. Humanity needs to change it's relationship with Nature and at least attempt to reduce carbon emissions and pollution. Ultimately, Nature is a greater force than we are. We need to adapt to the changes like anything else or face the consequences.

It's a bigger task than one man can ever hope to achieve. Global cooperation that transcends money and politics is a big ask for a species that hasn't once managed it so far. I'm an optimist though, and hope we can add it to the long list of 'firsts.'

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Seriously, do you even know how much pollutants a single car puts out?

Really, download Google Earth, and go zoom in on Los Angeles California. Start counting vehicles..

You will find there there is more vehicles than there are humans. In this civilized area, almost every person who is legal to drive has their own car. Some people even own multiple vehicles, like myself.

We are producing so much pollution, that we are destabilizing the way the Earth used to be.

The Earth didn't used to have all these cars, now the Earth does. This is changing, and effecting the Earth, no matter if you believe it or not.

Originally posted by infolurker
I am 100% against the Carbon Credit / Cap and Trade scheme that drives this agenda. (and the international court / power that politicians and organizations are trying to gain over the world in the name of "carbon extinction".

But, I am also 100% for alternative energy because I am against pollution and it is a matter of true National Security.

Our dependence on foreign oil is far to great.

Algae Oil is "carbon neutral" and we could turn the desert Southwest into a full algae oil production for 100% domestic consumption within 10 years. Anything extra we sell on the open market.

we all should because what you are saying .. all those things are the problems we currently in a big financial crisis.. less money to spend by people is bad for commerce and all those company miss spending money on a hoax which global warming is .. is also bad because they should better invest in there company and in ways to get innovative sollutions to problems where they are good in .. creating jobs instead of spending money wrong and losing jobs.

Originally posted by daddyroo45
Save the Earth.Why bother? What on this planet is worth saving? Humanity perhaps?With all the constant bickering,backbiting,wars,genocide,eclogical rape.What is the point?

This world would have been much better off without mankind on her back all these years.We are not concerned about our fellow man,why would the world or the eternal creator be concerned about us.

I say let it happen.Wipe us all out.No more troubles.

If you're in such a hurry to die then lead by example and go first.

I'm a survivor. And unlike Washington and Wall St, I don't mind the hard work. I wake up every day and see a world worth saving. I wouldn't do what I do if I didn't.

I am suprised to have seen no references to the obvious answer to our world's energy crisis. To wit :

www.calphysics.org...

Zero Point Energy and Zero Point Field
Zero-point energy is the energy that remains when all other energy is removed from a system. This behaviour is demonstrated by, for example, liquid helium. As the temperature is lowered to absolute zero, helium remains a liquid, rather than freezing to a solid, owing to the irremovable zero-point energy of its atomic motions. (Increasing the pressure to 25 atmospheres will cause helium to freeze.)

...

From this line of reasoning, quantum physics predicts that all of space must be filled with electromagnetic zero-point fluctuations (also called the zero-point field) creating a universal sea of zero-point energy. The density of this energy depends critically on where in frequency the zero-point fluctuations cease. Since space itself is thought to break up into a kind of quantum foam at a tiny distance scale called the Planck scale (10-33 cm), it is argued that the zero point fluctuations must cease at a corresponding Planck frequency (1043 Hz). If that is the case, the zero-point energy density would be 110 orders of magnitude greater than the radiant energy at the center of the Sun.

... zero-point energy appears to have been directly measured as current noise in a resistively shunted Josephson junction by Koch, van Harlingen and Clarke up to a frequency of about 0.6 Tz

I've been looking into this for some time now, and can easily believe the oil-companies might be inclined to take extreme measures to impede any progress in this area ...

Originally posted by ALLis0NE

We are producing so much pollution, that we are destabilizing the way the Earth used to be.

The Earth didn't used to have all these cars, now the Earth does. This is changing, and effecting the Earth, no matter if you believe it or not.

Where were all the people and vehicles when the Earth came out of the Ice Age?

Global Warming has become the biggest joke on humanity in recent memory. Really the only people that continue to perpetuate the hoax are politicians who want to make money off of it, and anti-capitalist wealth redistributionists who want everyone equally miserable.

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Dont forget all those moronic scientists and their idiotic data. Hmmph. Who believes THAT crap anyway? They probably just want more grant money so they can study the sex lives of fruit flies or something.

(just testing out my Republican-speak in case I am reincarnated as one in the future. )

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Sarcasm really works for you! You were really hitting the nail on the head!

What is the quickest way for a scientist to get a grant? Doom and Gloom or Everything is Fine?

Doom and Gloom gets the big bucks everytime!

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

Shesh oh pete.

It doesn't matter how much we pollute the earth, it doesn't matter how much oil we extract. The earth being quite the resilient machine will bounce back as it has before.

I mean if a planet killer asteroid couldn't destroy all life on this pathetic speck of dust in the universe, I doubt that primates are going to wipe out life on this rock.

It's funny that these scientists seem to ignore the fact that this planet has been through major climatic climate changes several times in the past history of Earth already. What we do to this planet isn't going to be irreparable. Amazingly enough the Earth can adapt and fix itself using different life forms to fix the problems it has.

And amazingly wow, who'd a thunk it but there are those that are of the opinion that even mankind can adapt to climates that would seem inhospitable.

Chicken little Jim Hansen, needs to spend more time searching for Manbearpig, he exists I'm super serial!

Wow! This is quite the heavy burden to carry for a man whose pooper scooper has to be wider than the world itself....Cleaning up Bush's mess which translates to: THE ENTIRE WORLD.

I certainly hope he dedicates himself first to un-doing the war, the mess here at home and then, 100 years from now, tackle the entire EARTH problems.

I know the man can multitask, but this is just a bit too much.

Heating and cooling is something the earth has done from the dawn of time, continents have moved, or are we somehow to blame for that as well?
This scam is by far the largest scam on peoples intelligence since the belief of sacrificing a virgin everyday or the sun will not rise.
We must use our resources more wisely, but to say we are to blame is a crock, volcanoes erupting have an effect on the globe, solar storms, sun spot activity has its place as well.

Using the excuse we emit so much is why we are going into a warming period,
Little hint for these armchair experts, temperatures are measured at major airports as well as ontop of buildings, temperatures are not taken from the middle of a green field which shows the correct temperature.
Airports as well as buildings have a higher temperature due to radiant heat being absorbed by the airfield or building.

How many weather forcasts do they actually get right? and long term forcasts are usually always wrong. so much for computer modeling to get acurate information, there are way to many variables to get a reliable computer model to be accurate, sure thay may get localised weather right occaisionally, but most country people can do that without a computer.

I have talked to a native elder who said there would be a flood soon because he saw the ants moving to higher ground and collecting little sticks, he was right,a week later a flood came. this was 4 days before the forcasters predicted the heavy rain.

I am in agreement - climate change has been underway, irrespective of human activity for millenia.

How else does one explain the melting of the glaciers, etc ...

The real, and only question in my mind is, "how darned hot is the sun going to get ?"

Thanks for comment !

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Absolutely !

When you are a research scientist getting the grant money supercedes all other considerations ...

Sad but true.

reply to post by whatukno

Precisely.

To the Earth humanity is like a colony of bacteria ...

Either we can choose to be the 'good' kind of bacteria, like that which lives symbiotically in our own digestive tracts, or we can choose to be 'bad' kind, that which causes 'disease' or 'illness' ...

If we continue to choose to be the latter type ( a disease ), all our host planet has to do is develop a 'slight fever' ( for her, that is ... ) and we are finished !

Originally posted by Lazyninja
I forsee that saving the earth will take the form of stealth taxing us into oblivion.

Correct. Treaties like the Kyoto protocol etc are nothing more than feel good solutions for man... They amount to nothing more than a pat on the back, they do nothing to help to curve climate change.

Should Obama succeed they will be calling him the Christ and start worshipping him.

Obama is just a man, but I agree, Obame needs to do his best to encourage change, he has promised it now he has to prove it.

Sadly enough we as a species need to use cleaner methods of technology.

The only way to get us lazy ########## off the couch is to lie to us and say that we are causing GLOBAL WARMING apparently, and its working so be quiet and let the sheeple make a difference, just for once in their wasted lives. USE your RESOURCES WISELY



Also, how many of you think we are not polluting the earth? Have any of you ever studied water table contaminents? The whole reason big cities have public water is so that more public areas the water is safe.... some of you have NO IDEA how unsafe some of your (NICE AND CLEAN) FRESH well water is... (and its not really freash and clean)

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Has anyone read the novel 1984 by George Orwell?

In the novel, the reason why the standard of living was low and everyone had to make sacrifices of their living standard was to help fight a war that was being waged. -- Only the war wasn't real.

I have often thought that the way to rob populations of their wealth and excuse their now lower standard of living would be to fight something as nebulous as climate change. How would ordinary citizens argue against it? When all the scientist say it is happening there will be no argument.

Now what if weather control was really possible and developed in secret? Maybe a demonstration of this terrifying climate change could be made to help convince us that the climate is indeed changing and for the worse.

I have heard Gore say that sacrifices will be necessary to fight climate change. But will these ruling elites also sacrifice with us for the common good? Or will they, as in the novel 1984, simply hoard the good stuff for themselves?

edit: aren't climates constantly changing? - ice ages and so forth?

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Another possibility would be that TPTB know a climate change is coming and so use these changes to manipulate the populations, and by fighting the impossible get them to give up their wealth and freedom.

some elements of the movie Apocalypto come to mind.
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My own feeling is that the 'Global' Warming agenda falls within the same catagory as all the 'Global' agendas, say like the 'Global' War on Terror, for instance ...

IMHO Global Warming is just another plank in the road to the NWO and One World Govt ...