Jett Travolta. Death by Scientology?

Ton Cruise can fly. He owns a retored F-86 Saber jet fighter of the Korean war vintage. He also has a P-51 Mystang!!

Zindo

who gives a far flung fart, only 6.7 billion to go, and the earth will be cleansed of this plague of humanoids.

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Originally posted by uninspired
Yeah I just read about this too... What the hell is with these rich celebrity types falling for this scientology crap anyway?

I don't get it. I didn't get it with Tom Cruise and now this. Wtf.

-Uninspired

The same reason why Chinese fall to Falungong and myriad other "cults"

Originally posted by bigspud
who gives a far flung fart, only 6.7 billion to go, and the earth will be cleansed of this plague of humanoids.

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Is it not humanoids that make the Earth what it is though? To be rid of these would not be Earth, it would become a heartless mass of soil.

Im sorry these two loving parents have lost a child, to put a child in a grave before your own death is terrible, nothing else compares to this tearfull state of events. Parents should be buried by their children, not the other way around. I dont think for one minute they killed him with their beliefs and carpet cleaning antics. This thread is a disgrace on human nature. You post about the death of a child being linked to carpet cleaning, whats wrong with you..

reply to post by benoni


There is no evidence yet that Jett had a seizure, but it is well established that he had seizures in the past, and that they were an ongoing issue in his health care. What kind of medical treatment was being provided to Jett for his health problems?

We do know that John and Kelly do not believe in Autism. We do know that they do not believe in much of modern pharmacology and specifically medications that deal with neurological disorders. Sadly, that is against their cult belief system.

The cult of Scientology is against any form of medication for psychiatric or neurological disorders. The Cult is so wacky that they blame psychiatry for the Holocaust, and when Brook Shields was suffering from a bit of post-partum depression, and sought out psychiatric therapy, Tom Cruise on behalf of scientology, viciously attacked her publicly for that choice. That is the nature of the cult. Cult brainwashing=good, modern medicine=bad.

The cult of scientology specifically states that all mental illness is simply a problem of a confused body Thetan (Alien Ghost.) The cult believes that you can cure most anything with vitamin "purification" packs. Because they have been dispensing these "purification" packs for all sorts of problems from depression to cancer, the cult is being taken to court by the UK government for operating an illegal pharmacy.

Given that both John and Kelly are hard core members of the Cult, and given that they do not believe in Autism, and medication for seizures, I wonder what type of health care Jetts nannies and handlers were giving him. I wonder if Jett was receiving proper medical care, and had therapists instead of nannies, how much better his life might have been.

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Thanks for your thoughtful informed comments on Scientology. It restores a level of faith to know there are thinking people out there and that a few of them are around here.

Unlike so any oults and pseudoreligions, Scientology is so counterintuitive in it's appeal, repugnant, and transparently whacko, I am in constant awe they appeal to more than the inevitable lost souls out there just seeking any kind of message.

I gather among their strengths are charismatic personnel and recruiting.


Mike F

it wouldnt suprise me considering scietology promotes the belief that there have always been grays existing inside humans bodies and they are our souls.
they call them thetans.

in other words its a future ai cult to create a beleif system for the inevitable time its discovered many humans have grays inside them,and that there arremany grays pretending to be humans!

you know when folks have a gray put in them their personality changes,i remember tom cruise was acting very strangely not so long ago!

i was on a website,infact a disinfo webiste dedicated to morgellons disease,a few sufferers were complaning of something moving inside them,i suggested going for an xray,t-wave and ultrasound scan and demanding the results imeaditaly and recording the process and the medical men always decieve and cover it up(whereever you are,hint there not ours) and talking to me should the results disturb them,i was instantly banned for no reason!
so i decided to in my new account to pm the entire membership with that information and the fact it and any refernce to nanotechnology is supressed there by active word censorship!!
as we speak the website has beenshut down to prevent the members recieving my PM,oh its fun bullying the ai's!!!!,its coming out and there not stopping it!

love -dave-

My heart goes out to the Travolta family. Losing a child must be one of the most heart renching things that could happen to a person.

Trying to pin the cause of his death on the doorstep of their religious belief though seems like a low blow to me. Scientology is just like any other religion...they have their beliefs, just as Christians have theirs, Muslims have theirs, etc, etc. Why aren't you attacking other people who have suffered loss and had their loved ones treated on the basis of their beliefs?

I don't agree with Scientology, just like I don't agree with any religion. IMO they are all just man made money grabbing cults. But that doesn't mean they should be attacked for their beliefs. to each their own.

Originally posted by uninspired
Yeah I just read about this too... What the hell is with these rich celebrity types falling for this scientology crap anyway?

I don't get it. I didn't get it with Tom Cruise and now this. Wtf.

-Uninspired

well at first glance you would think "wow these celebritys must be really SMART geez they have got millions of $$$$"

then you see things like this happen, and you realize
"wow those rich guys are freakin retarded!"

seriously , all im saying is that you should let me take over their estates, I could actually run it better than they do

If you choose to believe that you can talk to spirits from two emptied cans of green been tied together with a string, well then.. that my friend is free will. However if someone cons you into thinking that such a thing is even possible... hell.

Get one man to believe it, you will have a friend.
Get 10 more to believe you and your friend, you will be a conquerer.
Charge them for it, and you are god.
But to charge them for reading it is absolute power.

To come around full circle on the idea of dangerous religions and their stifling of free will would take more writing than all of those books combined. An massive novel it would be indeed. My heart and hands go out as far as the will reach to the family, my only hope is your god is just as caring and just as we all could be.

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True, sad but true... and you are also correct the man was a 2nd rate writer at best. Madness this earth is.

Cheers,
Temple

For heavens sake people die - that it the one thing we can all be sure of in this world. When our time has come it has come - get over it!!!

Why is every event turned into some sort of conspiracy?

I feel desperately sorry for John Travolta, his wife and daughter. What we should be doing is respecting their privacy and their right to grieve in peace and stop pretending that we know what actually happened because we don’t and if the truth be known it is none of our god dammed business anyway…

reply to post by sensfan


Sensfan, I respect your position, but sadly Scientology is not just like any other religion. Do other religions promote the disconnection of family? Scientology does. If you join the Cult, and all of your family members do not, you are required to disconnect from them. They then are given the title of Suppressive Person, or SP, and you are forbidden to have any contact with them ever again. Most religions I know have very strong family values and promote togetherness, not separation.

You can go to a Church or Mosque and listen to a sermon for free, or perhaps you can offer a small donation. Scientology requires that you pay, and pay, and pay, and the second you stop paying, they want nothing to do with you. Simply getting to OT-3 in the Cult, a level of membership, costs over $350,000 US.

Scientology is well known for denying proper medical treatment to it's members to the point that people have died. Lisa McPherson is just one example. The more you look at the cult, the more dangerous you will find it to be.

You can even ask the children of cult members, children who were born into the cult and had no choice in the matter, how bad their lives were. Ex Scientology kids The niece of the cults leader escaped from a life of misery within the organization and has spoken a great deal about how bad the life of children within the cult is.

I agree, that to a certain extent, people should be free to practice what ever belief system they choose. If people want to believe that they are alien ghosts, and that galactic lord Xenu is the supreme being, then that is perfectly fine. The trouble I have with Scientology is not Xenu, it is the denial of basic human rights. Didn't Jett Travolta have the right to proper medical care?

Jett's death was unfortunate. Things like this can happen to anyone of any faith.

This thread is a "low blow" to people who quite honestly don't deserve it.

I swear, some people will take any opportunity to tear down somebody, or some group. Very unacceptable. We're trying to seek truth at abovetopsecret.com, not create a circus of senseless chaos.



Troy

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what a shower of #es most of you are...*lights cigarette*...JT and KP have just lost their son, through AS-YET-UNKNOWN causes, yet everyone has jumped up to slate Scientology...their religion and faith...Personally I think it's not a religion but a cult and a very powerful one at that but that doesn't give ANYONE the right to come on and make ridiculous claims about their parenting skills when the autopsy hasn't been done yet...even then you wouldn't believe it...

Is it hindu's that can't receive medical treatments of sorts and Jehovah's Witnesses can't either? while we read stories about people pointlessly dying for their religious beliefs, it is their life...there is a lot of speculation as to the cause and a lot of Chinese whispers about quotes made by JT and KP as well as lack of knowledge and statistics on Kawasaki disease...the boy is dead and if it was in any way caused by a parental decision direct or indirect, which i believe was made with his best interests at heart, then they will be two very upset people to say the least...my heart goes out to any parent who loses a child...

To be honest i think this is really low and pathetic and...in fact you should be ashamed of yourselves!! Aye Scientology is one fcuk-ed up organisation with a very suspect agenda and methods of recruitment and many horror stories but you really have to understand the process of advancement within th Church of Scientology...most members only friends and family are members, have invested thousands and thousands of Dollars in it and are dependant on it cos hey, cults etc look after the brothers and sisters ;-) and to go against the CoS they would lose everything and be alienated so its comfier to remain as opposed to having nothing and noone...

It's easier to ridicule something when we dont understand it, especially with all the band wagons galloping around....

If you wanna bash Scientology then visit the other threads and dont use this families public loss and make it more difficult for them than it already is...so much for truth with your half arsed opinions, scraped together with half arsed research...have you any idea how heartless this is? imagine if you made a decision based on what you believed was the right thing and you lost a loved one?........*flicks cigarette at the idiots*........

Although it's sad for this to happen to any family....i could really care less about this. I don't care about what happens to celebrities and their families as it has absolutely no effect on my life whatsoever.

I hate the gossip and everything that goes along with it. I'm sure the tabloids are extremely happy right now as they will have a hot topic to sell magazines for the next month or so since so many people eat this crap up.

I don't care about Brad Pitt, Jolie, Travolta, Cruise, or any other celebrity's life. I don't give a damn and why others do is beyond me.

Yep, his kid died. In the meantime hundreds of thousands of other children have probably died since then. They don't get the attention. If you are poor no one cares about what happens to you. You have to at least be middle class for the media and others to care. The Travolta family will receive thousands of flowers and cards from people giving their regards even though they don't know them at all. All the money spent on this could help someone else in need.

The world is so ass backwards it's almost funny.

Bad things happen to everyone, it's called life. I think most religions are pyramid schemes, they're certainly control systems, but if someone gets comfort from it then who am I to judge them?

We would be wrong to assume anything until after the coroner's report.

This must be heartbreaking for them.

And yes, plenty of religions demand dissconnection from family, Scientology just happen to be more open about it, even the Bible says don't be joined to unbelievers. It's just that we had a few more hundred years than Scientology to get the sheep used to it.

Originally posted by dooper
Christian Scientists are not the only ones who are anti-drug and utilize prayer. Methodists, Baptists, Lutherans, Seventh Day Adventists, Holy Rollers, and just about every other Christian group you can think of.

I was raised Seventh Day Adventist. They don't have a problem with people using legal drugs to treat illnesses and diseases. They do utilize prayer but in conjuction with medicine. My aunt, who is an Adventist, is a hospice nurse.

Loma Linda University is a Seventh-Day Adventist medical university in California. The church is definitely all for using medical treatments and medicine to treat health problems.

reply to post by Terapin


Hmm, why does this seem to me like blatant opportunism? Btw, I am not a Scientologist (in fact I am on prescribed medication myself), but what right do you have to judge John Travolta and his personal religious and medical beliefs? You then try to use your ideologies to attribute blame on the whole Scientology community for Travolta's son's death.

John Travolta and his wife are free to raise THEIR son in a manner that they consider appropriate (of course, as long as they do so in accordance with the legal system). Therefore, YOUR political views on this matter are technically invalid.

Best wishes to the family and friends of Jett Travolta.

reply to post by uninspired


When your so rich you have everything and your still not happy you have to look for any and everything to make you feel better. Cults are right there to like wolves at the barn door. My heart goes out to them.
I want to send my condolences to the Travolat family. I have no doubt they loved thier child as much as any other family does. Lets remember at this time no matter what a father has lost a child, a mother has lost her son and it has to be a very dark day for them. We as humans should do our best not to make it any harder and realize we are not the judge and jury for anything besides our own lives.

scientologists don't believe in mental illness. Look how Kelly treated her other son

Kelly has another son by her first husband in Hawaii, who is cared for by her family. He also has severe problems, and can't live on his own.


Story goes that Kelly's family had to sue Kelly to get her first child treated with traditional medicine and therapies. There is a huge rift between them because Kelly wanted total $cientology control over the kid from California. Her family, who diaper and feed the boy (all grown up now), who provide the hands on care, won the case and the child gets the best of whatever modern medicine can provide.

google lisa mcpherson and elli perkins is it any wonder people have questions