Paul ~ Inventing a new saviour

reply to post by badmedia


Your adding is flawed ....
You do not have the whole picture ...since you refuse to see the whole picture from within the scriptures ALL OF THEM (where there are several pieces to the puzzle) (It is all layed out in every book ..connecting each with more and more tidbits of info INCLUDING PAULS books ..) ....
You may have some word of the Lord in you (from John) but your missing some numbers and you cannot get the sum of the equation without the rest .

Here is what you have .
1+ ?(Is missing) thereby your = is also missing ..

reply to post by Simplynoone


I'm not Jewish. I do not belong to any religion specifically. What does it have to do with this?

reply to post by TheMythLives


I am just not getting what this has to do with G.d breaking the Laws though or even with Mary having Jesus.

1. Mary descendent of the line of Levi
2. The lineages were those of Joseph (though they don't line up) and clearly state as much
3. Mary was not a virgin giving birth... it is impossible and purely a pagan belief. It was not a prophecy being fulilled by Jesus.

Where is your point?

Originally posted by Simplynoone
reply to post by badmedia

 

Your adding is flawed ....
You do not have the whole picture ...since you refuse to see the whole picture from within the scriptures ALL OF THEM (where there are several pieces to the puzzle) (It is all layed out in every book ..connecting each with more and more tidbits of info INCLUDING PAULS books ..) ....
You may have some word of the Lord in you (from John) but your missing some numbers and you cannot get the sum of the equation without the rest .

Here is what you have .
1+ ?(Is missing) thereby your = is also missing ..

Ahh, and once again you ask me to take word of man, over the word of the father I have within me. Because you lack such a relationship, you once again refer me to books as the entire puzzle.

You simply do not believe I have a relationship with the father. Which is fine, I actually do understand. But realize that telling me I'm not getting all the pieces to the puzzle by accepting a book is laughable to me. I knew things in the bible before I even knew they were in the bible.

reply to post by darkelf


G.d clearly stated who His begotten Son is... He did not say Jesus. That is something that people are doing *after the fact* and in the meanwhile, they are throwing out a Word of G.d and replacing it with what they *think* G.d means. There is no real logic in this.


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If the Church is what you blame for your fall ..then I think you may need to double check what it was you were looking for ..

It was because of the Church and their flaws and their flawed teachings that led me CLOSER TO THE LORD and closer to his word ... ...and I went to the WORD OF GOD instead of the word of the Church that was when I actually found him ..

You left the church and the word of God ........
That was your mistake and your fault ....not the Churchs ..

They will stand before GOD on their own .
You will stand before God on your own ...

IF you think that God will accept the excuse that because the Church was bad you fell ...you better rethink that ....

reply to post by badmedia


Would you take a road trip to a place you have never been before without mapping out the directions ?

Your taking a trip to the Lord without all of the directions to get you there ..
The WORD is his directions .....................

oh geesh! Can those who are using Isaiah 7:14 to support their paganism please quit using it here since it was not a messianic prophecy, please. This is one issue that I have posted and don't want to go around and around with the insanity that is dogma.

Originally posted by Simplynoone
If the Church is what you blame for your fall ..then I think you may need to double check what it was you were looking for ..

It was because of the Church and their flaws and their flawed teachings that led me CLOSER TO THE LORD and closer to his word ... ...and I went to the WORD OF GOD instead of the word of the Church that was when I actually found him ..

You left the church and the word of God ........
That was your mistake and your fault ....not the Churchs ..

They will stand before GOD on their own .
You will stand before God on your own ...

IF you think that God will accept the excuse that because the Church was bad you fell ...you better rethink that ....

Who are you grandstanding for? I never said I blamed them. I know squarely where the blame goes. You are just trying to dismiss me with false witness.

But, since you bring it up. What excuse is allowed for those who haven't taken up Christianity and the bible?

Originally posted by darkelf

Originally posted by TheMythLives
Refering to Jesus's lineage.

Evidently Matthew traces Jesus' legal lineage through His foster father Joseph, whereas Luke traces it back through the natural lineage of His mother Mary. Matthew records that an angel appeared to Joseph, Jesus' foster father.
Luke tells of the angel Gabriel appearing to Mary, Jesus' mother. Similarly, Matthew tells of the astrologers coming to visit the child Jesus, ";the king of the Jews", bringing costly gifts, whereas Luke tells of humble shepherds being invited to see the newborn Savior.

I have heard, that Matthew was a Jew and was writing to the Jews. Where Luke was a Gentile and was writing to Gentiles. There are a few differences in their accounts that appear to support this hypothesis.

lmfao This is stupid. I have SPECIFICALLY shown that the lineage in luke is JOSEPH'S .. it is written right there.. we don't have to speculate.

Are some of you seriously so blinded that you have lost all capicity to be able to read what is clearly written in front of you? This makes no sense to me. IT is insanity and not logical.

Originally posted by Simplynoone
reply to post by badmedia

 

Would you take a road trip to a place you have never been before without mapping out the directions ?

Your taking a trip to the Lord without all of the directions to get you there ..
The WORD is his directions .....................

If you can't do anything but preach dogma to me, then I will start ignoring you again.

Please?

Originally posted by Simplynoone
reply to post by badmedia

 

Would you take a road trip to a place you have never been before without mapping out the directions ?

Your taking a trip to the Lord without all of the directions to get you there ..
The WORD is his directions .....................

Hmmm... I don't remember sheep needing to map out their journeys first... HENCE THE SHEPHERD... But how can you trust your shepherd when he apparently can change the rules up any damn time he pleases?

It makes no sense!! lol

Personally.. I feel confident that I am led safely by my Shepherd. I have no need for a map... It is a good feeling to be this confident in Who is leading me.

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Badmedia ..
Did John not write the words he heard from Jesus ? And you believe him right?...How do you know John even wrote the truth ? You dont unless there are witnesses that verify his information (which there was and those witnesses wrote the other books)
You also said you believe that Acts is truth as well ...Well this is in Acts ....

Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Searching the scriptures is to show what things are true and what things are not ....

How will you know whether you have THE TRUTH or not .if you have nothing to compare what you think you know to what the real truth is ? ..in this world that is full of so many different ways and versions etc ...Unless you first know the truth (which are in the scriptures ..ALL OF THEM ...both OT and NT ) ..............


Jesus may have spoke to your heart about him..and that he is real ..
But if he did ...he would surely have given you a thirst for his word too .
As he did the rest of us who he also drew to know him ..

Why would he give us (and everyone who believed in him in the NT ) a thirst for his word and not you ? Why would he lead us into reading his word and not you ?


Also if you believe in reincarnation etc ...then you do not know the whole truth ...because the entire bible both old and new says nothing about reincarnation being true ..So you see you do not have the whole truth like you think you do ....you have partial truths with untruths mixed in ....................



[edit on 23-1-2009 by Simplynoone]

Originally posted by Simplynoone
Badmedia ..
Did John not write the words he heard from Jesus ? And you believe him right?...How do you know John even wrote the truth ? You dont unless there are witnesses that verify his information (which there was and those witnesses wrote the other books)
You also said you believe that Acts is truth as well ...Well this is in Acts ....

Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Searching the scriptures is to show what things are true and what things are not ....

How will you know whether you have THE TRUTH or not .if you nothing to compare what you think to know to what the real truth is ? ..in this world that is full of so many different ways and versions etc ...Unless you first know the truth (which are in the scriptures ..ALL OF THEM ...both OT and NT ) ..............


Jesus may have spoke to your heart about him..and that he is real ..
But if he did ...he would surely have given you a thirst for his word too .
As he did the rest of us who he also drew to know him ..

Why would he give us (and everyone who believed in him in the NT ) a thirst for his word and not you ? Why would he lead us into reading his word and not you ?


Also if you believe in reincarnation etc ...then you do not know the whole truth ...because the entire bible both old and new says nothing about reincarnation being true ..So you see you do not have the whole truth like you think you do ....you have partial truths with untruths mixed in ....................

But if you knew the Word prior to the Word coming into the world.. then, well, you can tell the difference. If one is *of* the Word, then they know the Word when they hear it.

Hence... why we understand that John 10 isn't about Jesus calling us out of the herd... It is the Word (not a man) literally, now (not ealier, not later) calling us out.

reply to post by badmedia


I was responding to what you said here
[[Funny, because Paul and the church destroyed my faith in Jesus as a child. I looked at their hypocrisy, their dogma and so on, and all I saw was ignorance, not enlightenment. Completely rejected it.]

Your faith if it was real would not have been destroyed just because mere people could not live up to the image you have of Christ ...

I knew this on my first day in Church ...that these were just people ..trying their darndest to seek the way ...just like I was ...I never put any faith in any of them ....I knew they could not live up to what Christ was ....so I did not use them as my example ..(*maybe you did at that time )
So I did not lose my faith because of them ...in fact it made my faith even stronger seeing how CLEARLY MEN NEED CHRIST >...
Now I may have lost any respect I may have had for them ..But I never once expected them to actually act like Christ .BECAUSE WE ALL FALL SO SHORT >.........

reply to post by justamomma


Well then I wish you luck on your journey of going this way or that ..(tossed about on every road that is out there) because without a map ...you will be going down many roads that are not the way ..along the way ...
It may take forever to even find the one road that is the way ................without a roadmap ..


Or will just stop and ask others for directions when you get lost ?

reply to post by Simplynoone


I don't know if John is telling the truth. I don't care if John is telling the truth. For all I know or care, the entire thing could be nothing more than a story that is told. You will not see me getting involved in those "Is Jesus real" type threads. I personally do not care 1 way or another.

But I do have a personal relationship with the father. The words and understanding I hear are the same words Jesus heard. And it is because Jesus says the same understandings I hear from the father, that I know he is speaking the truth. Real or not, doesn't change my beliefs. Either way, he is still speaking the truth.

Now, oddly enough John even says this is what Jesus says will happen.

John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

And so, just as I said I didn't care about Jesus at all, and so I heard the father. On to the next verse.

25These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

When that happened, these understandings and such were not present with me. On to the next verse.

26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

And Tada, then I was taught. And btw, these specific events happened all after John 14:20, which is why I know you do not hear the word of God, because then you would have no doubts about who you are.

After this teaching, then I could recognize and see the father in Jesus. I can see that no matter who wrote the story, who said what, what is attributed to be Jesus is the words of the father. Paul however does that which I was taught to be specifically careful of not doing. Of extremely high importance even. Do not create an idol as the image of God. Saying 1+1=2, instead of saying A+B=C. The world surely does not need another person running around teaching 1+1=2 instead of teaching people how to add(A+B=C).

So I just don't see why you expect me to exchange this for a book? This all happened during a time when I didn't care about the bible. Was never told anything about the bible - although I do not think it's coincidence I was shown the words of Jesus.

Badmedia
And it was this father of whom you claim to know who taught you reincarnation is true and that the bible (most of it ) is false ?

Originally posted by Simplynoone
reply to post by justamomma

 

Well then I wish you luck on your journey of going this way or that ..(tossed about on every road that is out there) because without a map ...you will be going down many roads that are not the way ..along the way ...
It may take forever to even find the one road that is the way ................without a roadmap ..


Or will just stop and ask others for directions when you get lost ?

Hence the reason why you do no know your Father. If you did, you would not be saying such things...

YOu believe the book, not the Father.

Originally posted by Simplynoone
Badmedia
And it was this father of whom you claim to know who taught you reincarnation is true and that the bible (most of it ) is false ?

Nope, the father/holy spirit taught me that death was not real and not to be worried. The bible itself was never mentioned either for our against. Instead, I was given the understandings that were given to Jesus. Again, this is how I recognize the father in Jesus.

I was shown that the idols/symbols themselves are not important, and not to follow them, but what they represent(if worth following, such as Jesus). But this was not concerning just the bible, but rather all things.

Reincarnation just means you are back for another lesson/experience. People go to different places. Jesus lays it out for you. Would it make you more comfortable if I said it as the meek will inherit the earth?

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