Paul ~ Inventing a new saviour

reply to post by justamomma


Not quite, your trying to link the bible as story that is composed of tales and reality mixed with reality in tales. Which is an insult to the book of God. Your truth is flawed, you say the bible is literal, but yet you claim allegories to the things that God does when he breaks the laws of nature, why? Because God can do whatever he wants.

He caused the flood, Moses cane into a snake, creation of man, flooded the world, caused the plagues, kiled the first borns of Egypt. The Bible shows how God is not bound by the laws he creates.

What, physical? If I believed in the physcial God would not even be in my vocabulary. To me it seems that you are so close but yet so far...

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Originally posted by TheMythLives
Which is an insult to the book of God.

Ya think? I don't worship a book.. how can a book be insulted? That makes about as much sense as a man being born of a virgin.

I assure you, G.d is not insulted by what I say. This I have no doubts of.

[edit on 22-1-2009 by justamomma]

Originally posted by TheMythLives
He caused Moses cane into a snake,

And don't forget, took that snake by the tail and turned it back into the staff... see, you leave out what makes Him distinguishable from the false gods

reply to post by justamomma


No one worships the book, they worship the word of God. But yet the word of God is the book. Believe me God does not care about what we say, we should care about what we say.. Your right and saying that God is constricted by laws makes more sense. Jesus was born of the virgin and all like God told him it would be done...

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reply to post by justamomma


Is it me or are you missing the point. That is breaking the laws of nature. He broke a law! Wow, that proves that God is not bound by the laws that you constrict him too...

Originally posted by TheMythLives
reply to post by justamomma

 

No one worships the book, they worship the word of God. But yet the word of God is the book. Believe me God does not care about what we say, we should care about what we say..

Nope.. the Word of G.d is not the book. The Word of G.d is *in* the book, but you bind Him to the physical.. thus, you believe only the physical.

And I do care.. it is why I have stayed with this thread that was laid on my heart despite all the crap that was thrown at me.

[edit on 22-1-2009 by justamomma]

reply to post by justamomma


Yeah, smart you did the same thing. Binds by the physical yet you say not the book but in the book, same thing....

Originally posted by TheMythLives
reply to post by justamomma

 

Is it me or are you missing the point. That is breaking the laws of nature. He broke a law! Wow, that proves that God is not bound by the laws that you constrict him too...

I am not missing any point as far as this discussion is concerned. Do you really think that He would just tell us what to choose? Do you do that with your kids? or do you let them learn and experience so that when they learn truths.. they actually are LEARNING the truths. It stays with you when you learn yourself, no?

Do you trust man or do you trust G.d? I trust G.d. These were stories and there are many enlightened Jewish people who even see this He wants us to know our hearts, so when we hand it to Him, we are doing it with all of our heart. That is where your foot finds itself firmly grounded in His truth and not on what men say or write.

reply to post by justamomma


How did you get to that, you still cannot answer why, if God is confided by the laws of nature, did he break them? He broke them to prove that he is not restrcited by it and that everthing is possible in God!

Sweetheart, your missing the points seriously. You may think you are but you are not and I am trying to show you, but its not working.

Originally posted by TheMythLives
reply to post by justamomma

 

Yeah, smart you did the same thing. Binds by the physical yet you say not the book but in the book, same thing....

Yes, I can see you are having a hard time grasping what I am saying. I learned the voice of G.d in the Tanakh. I hear His voice outside the Tanakh. I learned the rule of thumb in the Tanakh so that now I can apply it to outside of. I will not be following after a path that I *think* is right.. I am on the path that is sure and true. I have no doubts, but it is hard to understand if you are insistent on trusting man over Him.

reply to post by justamomma


Why would I trust man? I trust God, but if you want to believe that you hold the entire truth of the word, be my guest. I am having a hrad time understanding because it makes no sense..lol.. If you have the clarity that you claim to have, awesoem for you, but I respectfully doubt it. Only by the nature of the words you write and how you write them.

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Originally posted by TheMythLives
reply to post by justamomma

 

How did you get to that, you still cannot answer why, if God is confided by the laws of nature, did he break them? He broke them to prove that he is not restrcited by it and that everthing is possible in God!

Sweetheart, your missing the points seriously. You may think you are but you are not and I am trying to show you, but its not working.

G.d has broken none of His Laws.. none.. not a one. You only assume that because you have a false perception. I am not sure how to make you see it other than to understand the Word from the beginning rather than the ending.

Do you believe G.d lied when He said He does not change in Malachi?

Originally posted by justamomma
No.. it is not.

She is saying that anything can be G.d and thus you are choosing the lie over the truth.

Sure, G.d is not limited.. but He will not break the Laws that He created.. otherwise.. how would you know Him if He could change the rules at anytime. I give you the Truth and yet you do not see it. *shrugs*

[edit on 22-1-2009 by justamomma]

Justamommas QUOTE [[[[She is saying that anything can be G.d]]]]


I did not say that ...you have said that over and over in this thread ..that you are god and badmedia is god yadda yadda ...I am saying THAT YOUR NOT >>>>.and I am saying that GOD IS ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ...DO ANYTHING ...see how your twisting what I have been saying >>???
He can BREAK anything he wants to break ...you better stop putting God in a box ....he is so outside of the box that even he says ..

His ways you cannot even find out .....THIS IS THE OT JUstamomma ...
Job 9:10 Which doeth great things past finding out; yea, and wonders without number.
Job 36:26 Behold, God [is] great, and we know [him] not, neither can the number of his years be searched out.
((((Notice it even says WE KNOW HIM NOT ..he is way outside of our thinking and comprehension ))))))))))))))))))
But we can know him even more through his SON who is begotten from the DIRECT seed of GOD ....
And oh my gosh even PAUL knew that God is way above anything we could comprehend .......
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!


And here is something else for you to ponder .God did not change his mind ..He just does new things ....and can certainly MODIFY his own laws if he so chooses .....(Just like we modify or add amendments to the Constitution )Everything here is a image of there ....GOD gives the decree ....and JESUS (the word) Carries it out (excutes it )........

Num 16:30 But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that [appertain] unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD.
Isa 43:19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, [and] rivers in the desert.
Jer 31:22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.
Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
1Jo 2:8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.


In the beginning ...it says ...in every sentence during the creation ..
"And God SAID .......and it was done wasnt it >HOw ? He said the WORD >.and the WORD of GOD (Jesus)(King and Lord of Creation) carried it out ......and the elements OBEYED and thus we have creation .....>>>>

Maybe the elements are the seven spirits of God spoken of in the book of Rev .(Hey does anyone know about those seven spirits ?)
And also the seven spirits of demons that come in with satan in the scriptures about the house when it is swept and cleaned the demon which left is back with seven other demons ..Mat 12:45 Luk 8:2 Luk 11:26 Rev 3:1
Seven Churchs Rev 1:4
And Seven Kings (these are the rulers of the world right now ....the eighth being satan himself ....Rev 17:10
OK sorry ...I am going off on something else ...


Anyway this was why the NT says that Jesus was here from the beginning
And that everything was created by him and for him ..because it was ..he was the LEADER or King Lord of Hosts (Of the WHOLE HOST OF HEAVEN and the Elements) Jesus was GODS right hand according to the scriptures (and the arm which carries everything out that GOD Speaks) ....the Carpenter (The Builder the co creator who carried out the work when God spoke) .....................

Wow thats good stuff ..I have to copy that so I dont forget all of that ....lol

Originally posted by TheMythLives
reply to post by justamomma

 

Why would I trust man? I trust God, but if you want to believe that you hold the entire truth of the word, be my guest.

Okay.. there are fundamental truths about the nature of G.d in the Tanakh. If something does not line up with those those fundamental truths, than we know our perception is off. G.d is the same.. we must work to understand how to line up our perception correctly.

If you think He broke a Law.. that is because you are off center. You must align your perception up with G.d rather than lining G.d up to fit your perception.

reply to post by justamomma


How can you even imagine to align yourself with God? That is false and should never happen, no one can say that they even came close to understanding God because they have not. God did break the lies of nature, to prove that he has the power of this earthly world. Why do you continue to restrict him...

reply to post by Simplynoone


You basically did say that simplysomeone. If G.d can change His character at any time, than that is saying that He can be anything ... How would you trust that?

As I stated above, you are lining up G.d to fit your perception rather than lining up your perspective to see Him as He is... was... will be.

Originally posted by TheMythLives
reply to post by justamomma

 

How can you even imagine to align yourself with God? That is false and should never happen, no one can say that they even came close to understanding God because they have not. God did break the lies of nature, to prove that he has the power of this earthly world. Why do you continue to restrict him...

maybe that is false where your god is concerned. However, the G.d I follow after can be trusted and He is so loving and kind that He helps us to do just that.. line our perception up to the Truth.. otherwise, He would be like a man and unable to be trusted.

He wants us to KNOW... any doubt and well, read Hosea 4: 6

Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by TheMythLives
He caused Moses cane into a snake,

And don't forget, took that snake by the tail and turned it back into the staff... see, you leave out what makes Him distinguishable from the false gods

I read in the muslim version, the snake of moses eats the other snakes. And the sorcerers bow down immediately. Not that I think such details are a big thing that matters, but I just thought it was interesting.

reply to post by justamomma


Why do you continue to quote the biblem if the bible does not hold the word of God? I worship no false God and I know that is what you were implying, but seriously answer the question: If God can break the laws of nature, why do you continue to limit him? and say that it was all allegory and if it is all alegory why do you continue to pick and choose bible quotes?

Originally posted by Simplynoone
He can BREAK anything he wants to break ...you better stop putting God in a box ....he is so outside of the box that even he says ..

This is just sad... that you believe in something that you don't know if it will be the same tomorrow as it is today.

So.. it is no wonder that you don't believe Him when He said He does not change.

I did not put G.d in a box. He lovingly shared key elements of His character with us.. and I for one believed what He said. When I believed it, and let go of the false perception, I became sure of Him.

G.d is not like a man Simplysomeone. What you described there is a characteristic of a man.. not G.d. Thus why you put your trust in a man and not G.d.