Paul ~ Inventing a new saviour

reply to post by badmedia



Your quoting scripture from the NT the one you dont believe was written by the inspiration of God ....the one you and justamomma have said many times is deception and written by false prophets ..why would you use it to verify your belief ?


Here is where it is written in their law as that scripture said ..........

Psa 82:1 [[A Psalm of Asaph.]] God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

Psa 82:2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

Psa 82:3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

Psa 82:4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid [them] out of the hand of the wicked.

Psa 82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High.

Psa 82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

Psa 82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
Notice if you will that the Lord said ye are gods and children of the most high ..BUT YOU WILL DIE LIKE MEN ...just what does that mean >?
They do die like men dont they ? Yet Gods can live forever dont they ?

Here is another one ...
1Cr 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Cr 8:6 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.
READ IT in CONTEXT ..because you missed the verse after it ...
Notice it says ONE GOD >who is the FATHER AND one Lord Jesus Christ ...by whom (By Jesus) are ALL THINGS and WE BY HIM.

We are the gods of this world ...and of course so is satan (and we are in league with him just by being in our flesh ) ...and Jesus is the King of the world and heaven and is coming to take this KINGDOM back from the gods (us)of this world and satan ..and will make it anew ..(someday soon ) .....

Jhn 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Jhn 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Jhn 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Jhn 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

Another thing about the verses above is he was showing them that they think they believe they are gods and see no blasphemy in them believing it ...and now that Jesus is saying the same ..they want to stone him ......in other words ...your law says you can say your Gods and not get a stoneing ..yet he is saying the same thing and they are wanting to stone him for blasphemy ...Jesus was showing them they were HYPOCRITES >.........'
He never denied that he was God now did he ?

And yes men became as gods when they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ....but only gods of this world ...they do rule the world dont they >?But God then told Adam and Eve that they needed to eat of the tree of life ..to live forever ..Evidently since it does not say they ate of that tree then they were forced out of the garden and the tree of life was hid ..
That tree of life is the rebirth of the spirit (now)and someday soon according to 1 Corinthians 15 :42 and 1 Corinth 15:52 in the twinkling of an eye they shall be changed by flesh too and live forever ..no more death ..Jesus Christ is that tree of Life..and he was hid (that plan by God was) until the time was right for everyone to eat of that tree of life (which was him who offered them life) .....(which is why he is not alluded to outright in the OT scriptures ..there are a few but not many ....


Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.


Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations.

Rev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


Just think about that please ..at least consider it ....

Originally posted by Simplynoone
Your quoting scripture from the NT the one you dont believe was written by the inspiration of God ....the one you and justamomma have said many times is deception and written by false prophets ..why would you use it to verify your belief ?

Just think about that please ..at least consider it ....

You are so wrapped up in your own nonsense that you actually attacked my credibility and completely ignored what I quoted. As if what I believe changes what Jesus says. I quoted half a chapter even. You completely ignore that and attack me.

The bible verse you gave me, psalms 82 is one I've already quoted in this thread. It was actually pointed out to me in a U2U because of something else I said about people being sons and daughters of god.

Furthermore, I have said that there are 5 books from the OT that I put weight into, and so your own claims on me are false from the start. But I do not need any of them. I did not learn from them, I learn from the father/holy spirit. It is in the words of Jesus however that I recognize the father and what the father gives.

Christ is right, you will only accept that you are not such, and it doesn't matter what anyone says, that is all you will see or accept. You do not look for the truth, you look for the lie. You look for any tiny measure of an excuse to deny the rest, just as you did here by going to if I think the bible is the written word of god as a way of dismissing the rest.

Whoever eventually shows you the way will be pretty special, because it will truly be healing the blind to see.

reply to post by badmedia


My darling, *YOU* are special. I know what you mean, but, well, as it says in the Tanakh regarding these times, "And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament..." You are wise.

Simplysomeone is special. She just has yet to believe it. She has yet to see that she is a very special child with a very important calling. But her Father wants her and I do not doubt that He will not be letting her go so easily.

We are simply here to deliver the message. I think we have delivered it quite well, in my humble opinion. She just needs time to reflect and our respect to do so.

reply to post by badmedia




Sounds like you did not even read my post ...you could at least read my posts .I read every single one of yours including entire chapters of what you posted ..why cant you do the same for me .?
You have to take all the pieces to form the puzzle ..which is why you need to read all both old and new testament ..the pieces all form a perfect puzzle that helps us to know exactly what is going on down here ..and why it is going on etc ..

In the garden Adam and Eve were told if they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil they would be as gods ....isnt that true ?
Then he said now they would have to eat of the tree of life ..
That tree of life was Jesus Christ .. ....thats what Jesus meant when he said for them to eat of his flesh and drink of his blood (that was spiritual in meaning of eating of that fruit and drinking of that wine that he offers ) ..which leads to everlasting life.
Otherwise as those scriptures pointed out ..we shall die like men ..even though we are like gods(gods of this world) we will die like men ...

We are those gods of this world as the rulers of this world ..(all of us) ..since that garden .....so technically your correct ...
but we will all die like men unless we also eat of the fruit of eternal life through Jesus Christ ...By being born again (dieing to self to giving of self) now and someday soon changed bodily as well)




Not that you would be interested ...but as I was considering why Jesus had to die instead of him just comeing here and rising back up ..instead of dieng ...
And I came across Pauls writing (Yes again) .......the first covenant (Read about it in the OT ) was made with blood ..........
Hbr 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Hbr 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Hbr 9:16 For where a testament [is], there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

Hbr 9:17 For a testament [is] of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
((((((((((((((((The only way to break the covenant was with the death of the testator ...Now see Zecheriah below these verses))))

Hbr 9:18 Whereupon neither the first [testament] was dedicated without blood.

Hbr 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

Hbr 9:20 Saying, This [is] the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

Hbr 9:21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.


Hbr 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Hbr 9:23 [It was] therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

Hbr 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, [which are] the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

Hbr 9:25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

Hbr 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Hbr 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Here it is in the OT ................

Zec 11:7 And I will feed the flock of slaughter, [even] you, O poor of the flock. And I took unto me two staves; the one I called Beauty, and the other I called Bands; and I fed the flock.

Zec 11:10 And I took my staff, [even] Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people.

Zec 11:11 And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it [was] the word of the LORD.
((((((This is talking future since it had not happened as of when Zech heard it from the Lord ..read the whole chapter to see it is prophecy for the future ..as in when Christ would come ..which he did))))))))))))

Zec 11:12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give [me] my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty [pieces] of silver.
((((The Lord was sold for thirty pieces of silver))))

Zec 11:13 And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty [pieces] of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.

Zec 11:14 Then I cut asunder mine other staff, [even] Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

Zec 11:15 And the LORD said unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd.

Zec 11:16 For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, [which] shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces.
((((((((((((this shepherd here is the Antichrist ))))))))))))
Zec 11:17 Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword [shall be] upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.
(((((((((and he is a shepherd and as much as I can see from these scriptures he is an idol shepherd and left the flock which tells me he will be from the tribes of Israel ...not Paul because Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin .........I believe the Antichrist comes from the tribe of Judah (who was bands in the scripture in Zech.) Judas was the betrayer ........and not only that but the half brother of Jesus (Sound familar like in Zech where he broke the covenant between the two brothers ..also see in scripture about the bondwoman verses the freewoman ...........also Sarah and the Handmade (Gen 16:1)and the child of the handmaid ..then child of Jacob and his handmaid .(Gen 30 :4).(freewoman) ..(Justamomma this explains the family lineage question in the geneologies you mentioned from matthew) ........

We made a covenant with death (when we chose to become like gods by eating of that knowledge we just had to have ) ...when we ate of that fruit of that tree of knowledge of good and evil .....this covenant was broken when Christ went and took the keys to death and hell from satan ......when he rose again from the dead ...swallowing up death in victory .....
Rev 1:18 I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Isa 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Isa 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

Originally posted by Simplynoone
reply to post by Christ!

 

Christ ...I really do mean this in a kind way ...I am not a complete literalist .Some take everything too literal ....and some take things all spiritual instead of balancing them out ...
And I think you over spiritualize everything .....

The word says that this world was created in the image of the heavens (this world is not heaven but in the image of the heavenly ... ..we were created in the image of God ...we are not God but an image of him .(certainly we have not been a very good one that is for sure) ....
An Image is not the same as the real thing ....
There is literal and spiritual ...not just one ..without the other ......both exist .
Together ........

[edit on 20-1-2009 by Simplynoone]

Many words which say the same thing: "All I know is that I am nOt Christ".

See how this works? Many words are a distraction from what is the issue. The thinking mind - ego mind - is very tricky and cunning. It has been helping us deny we are Christ since the day the prodigal son said, "All i know is i am nOt my Father's Son".

Regarding images. Why settle for images? Why does this so-called gOd make what is real AND what is nOt real? Are you nOt refering to the tree of "knowledge of good and evil"? In other words, if GoD is capable of creating an equal...like from like...real from real...perfect from perfect...who needs "images" and differences between "spiritual" and "literal"? Sister, there is only Heaven...the perfect. There is nothing else *Our Father* creates. Take responsibility for remaking yourself in the image of what you are nOt. You are Christ...nOt what you have made into images.

I am explaining that you are making judgements based an what you desire.
You pronounce true what is not true.
You don't allow what is true to be true.

We can only be fooled by our own desire.
Desire does inhibit our ability to interpret symbols.
Desire keeps us away from the journey home.

You have much desire for the things of the world...images...replicas...mirrors.
There seems not much desire for what is real.
Christ is real.

So, why should anyone listen to the way you quote scripture?
There can only be one reason.
You are working overtime to teach yourself to believe you are anything but Christ.
Save time.
Just post the intention of so many words:
"All I know is I am nOt Christ".

Christ!



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Christ you are focusing on the image of man ...god man ..god of this world man....spirit of a man .........I am focusing on the Spirit of God which is the Holy Spirit IN ME ..(It is not me it is IN ME) ...I (linda)am in there with him ..I do not become him >.I become as one with him ...but not him (One as in like a marriage ..I am one with my hubby but we are not the same) .he is my husband and I am his wife ..but we are one in spirit ....we are spiritually connected ........I will even take on his habits and vice versa ..just like we take on the Lords ..*in spirit and in deed ...........

Originally posted by Simplynoone

In the garden Adam and Eve were told if they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil they would be as gods ....isnt that true ?

This is a good example of how you hold a gavel in your hand and slam it down and make, by declaration, what you have no clue to be true.

You don't know what "they" were told, who "they" were, what happened, when it happened.

Why not read Harry Potter and declare the first chapter to be true?

And so, you go, since the beginning of time, interpreting as you see fit, that you may "know" only that you are nOt Christ.

Save time and trouble. Just tell us what you know. Save the stories for J.K. Rowling.

Or, simply explain to us why you know you are nOt Christ.
Tell us why you are, or why you are not, and why you believe so.

That is all that matters..
Unless...
You just don't care about the effects of a statement [judgment] like:
"All I know is i am nOt Christ".

Christ!

Originally posted by Simplynoone
Christ you are focusing on the image of man ...

You misunderstand.
I am focusing on Christ, which is not an image.
You believe you are an image.
You seem to desire image over reality.
You have told us you are carnally minded.
And then you quote scripture as if to teach us something.
All of your biblical quotes are for helping you deny what is the truth.
You are using biblical quotes to hide from the truth.
Bible quotes are like a defensive shield for you....defending your image against the truth.
You want to keep your image and say, "I am Linda".
You seem to be trying to prove you are anything but Christ.
You use many tricky words to make your case.
You want to be a "Christian", perhaps, but nOt Christ. Why?
How are you following Jesus?
Why are you nOt?
That is your business.
Just admit it.
Just admit you are not interested in oneness with Christ.
You want both image and reality, separation and one, true and false.
Don't forget the good and evil.

What you are proposing is that the Spirit of GoD support your image, rather than help you lay it down as Jesus taught.
Rather than return and go home, you are thinking of ways to stay.
Perhaps you feel that death will decide your fate.
How does death decide what you are not willing for in the first place?

What is this "image" you speak of.
Why do you value it?
Why are you not interested in what is real?
Why would I want to listen to an image not interested in reality?

In this regard, you are very much of the legacy of Paul.

Christ!



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reply to post by justamomma



Is your message to me to toss out everything except what you say is true ?
Is your message to me to study the OT but dont try and put it together myself because hey . I cant possibly figure it out without You telling me what it means ? .....

A few posts back you said to me that you wanted me to study .....
Isnt that exactly what I am doing ?Endless reading and studying exactly what this subject is all about ....which is is Paul lieing about Jesus Christ ...........and I have been studying my butt off .....many posts by me from the OT showing you things proving at least some things of what Paul says is true ..and you dont even look over what I find and what I see in it myself .. ..you just say ...ah it means nothing ....guess I am wasting my time ....
Are you studying with me ? Or do you think you know way to much to even consider looking over those scriptures and trying to see anthers viewpoint .

All you have done is come along every couple posts and say SEE PAUL WAS A LIAR >.I SAID SO ...SO SUBJECT CLOSED ....

Look I have better things to do than waste endless hours of reading and writing to show someone something they just dont even want to hear about from another view point ...
I have way too much to do instead of just wasting time with this ..it is fruitless..............I am going to go over and join Johns posts ...thanks for the lessons though ...

Originally posted by Simplynoone
reply to post by justamomma

 

Is your message to me to toss out everything except what you say is true ?
Is your message to me to study the OT but dont try and put it together myself because hey . I cant possibly figure it out without You telling me what it means ? .....

A few posts back you said to me that you wanted me to study .....
Isnt that exactly what I am doing ?Endless reading and studying exactly what this subject is all about ....which is is Paul lieing about Jesus Christ ...........and I have been studying my butt off .....many posts by me from the OT showing you things proving at least some things of what Paul says is true ..and you dont even look over what I find and what I see in it myself .. ..you just say ...ah it means nothing ....guess I am wasting my time ....
Are you studying with me ? Or do you think you know way to much to even consider looking over those scriptures and trying to see anthers viewpoint .

All you have done is come along every couple posts and say SEE PAUL WAS A LIAR >.I SAID SO ...SO SUBJECT CLOSED ....

Look I have better things to do than waste endless hours of reading and writing to show someone something they just dont even want to hear about from another view point ...
I have way too much to do instead of just wasting time with this ..it is fruitless..............I am going to go over and join Johns posts ...thanks for the lessons though ...

What I said was, save your self some time and forget about studying because you already know what you want to know. All you know is that you are nOt Christ. So there is nothing you can teach us except that we are nOt Christ. All of your bible quotes are for teaching us we are nOt Christ. All of Paul's teaching was to teach us we are nOt Christ. Who cares how many words Paul used to teach us that. We already have learned we are nOt Christ. Now it is time to learn we are Christ. There is no point in all of your research or study if it does not support the purpose of the Holy Spirit. The purpose of the Holy Spirit is to bring you to Christ that you may be Christ, and through Christ...be saved from self-concepts that say things like, "All I know is I am nOt Christ"? What do you have to teach us that has value?

So save time, and wake up in the morning and say, " i am not Christ".
Then, you don't have to study anything for the rest of the day.
Take the day off and relax.
You already know what you want to know.

You have the same Teacher I have. I am listening. You are not listening and pretending and posing as if you are. But you have not yet even permitted the basic foundation stone to be set upon which to build whatever it is you are building. The foundation stone is Christ. And you are either Christ or you deny it. You deny it, and so how do you listen to the Holy Spirit?

All what I say is written on your heart. You know what I say is true. You are just not interested in the truth right now. So why fool us with so many bible quotes as if you are interested in the truth?

Christ!


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Just one more thing ...to Badmedia ..you said again you believe the first 5 books.

A Couple of those books talks about Paul and Luke was a close associate if not the one who wrote the books for Paul (the other texts) ...

Just tell me this...can Luke and the book of Acts be believed ? if Luke called him a beloved brother and told of all that Paul did .......then you cannot believe Luke or the book of Acts ...that means if he was a false prophet then they were also decieved by Paul ..wouldnt you agree ?

[What do you have to teach us that has value? ]

Your right ....absolutely nothing ....

Originally posted by Simplynoone
Just tell me this...can Luke and the book of Acts be believed ? if Luke called him a beloved brother and told of all that Paul did .......then you cannot believe Luke or the book of Acts ...that means if he was a false prophet then they were also decieved by Paul ..wouldnt you agree ?

Luke and his hero Paul do not teach us that we are Christ.
So, why should we believe anything they say?

Christ!

[edit on 21-1-2009 by Christ!]

Luke and his hero Paul do not teach us that we are Christ.
So, why should we believe anything they say?

Christ!

[edit on 21-1-2009 by Christ!]

Originally posted by Simplynoone
[What do you have to teach us that has value? ]

Your right ....absolutely nothing ....

We are hungry for the truth.
We ask for true bread.
What are giving us?

Christ!

Originally posted by Simplynoone
Sounds like you did not even read my post ...you could at least read my posts .I read every single one of yours including entire chapters of what you posted ..why cant you do the same for me .?

No matter if you read what I said or not, you dismissed it completely on invalid and unrelated reasons. You didn't address what I said, you attacked my credibility. Saying I had none because I didn't believe the bible was the written word of God. And now you just completely ignore that you did it. Whats the point? Why should I waste my time with someone who is going to do these kinds of things? I am better off trying to teach a blind man what the color blue looks like.

I showed you the words of Jesus, that is who you argue with. You prove exactly what I have said this entire time, and you don't even seem to realize it. It's not about me not understanding Paul, it's about people who do not understand Jesus.

I showed you John 14. I know this is true because I experienced it. And I experienced it without the bible and so on. Everything it says I experienced 100% as it says I will experience it. This is something you must experience for yourself before you even begin to understand the truth. And you haven't. If you had, there would be no doubt in who and what you are. If the father has given me this experience, then there is no reason why you can't as well. EVERYONE should have their own vision. I am not "special", everything I know and understand is available to those who seek.

Do you not realize the importance on why it says "on that day". It's a very specific thing that happens, at a very specific time. It is followed by specific things. You have to have this happen to you before you can understand. You have to see that connection with god to understand, it is followed by the holy spirit for a reason.

I give you straight up the words of Jesus and you deny them.

Read John 14. It even explains why/how I got the understandings without Jesus. It completely destroys the "only christians can be saved" lie.

John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

25These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

I heard the father. I didn't keep the sayings of Jesus. But what I heard and learned from the father, I see in Jesus. This is how I recognize that Jesus is what he says he is. This is how I recognize the father in people, and I can see who he is present in. Not because I have some special vision with my eyes, but because I can see/hear the understanding in their words.

My best advice is to understand consciousness. What does it mean "to be, or not to be?". What does it mean "I think, therefore I am"?

If you make a tiny little robot of gears that does little chores for you. What makes it different than you? You have consciousness. You have the ability to reason, to feel, to observe, you have free will. The robot is nothing but gears, it has no free will, no consciousness, it doesn't observe or feel anything. It doesn't have the spirit of god within it. YOU DO. Your body is in itself much like a robot isn't it? It comes from the "dust of the earth". It is made up of the same thing as creation itself. But consciousness, and that state of "being", that state of "I am", this is NOT from the dust. This is from the spirit of god. This is the part of you that is god. If you did not have this, then you would be the same as that robot. You would lack free will, subject to action and reaction, love and so on. You wouldn't have a soul. The body is just a vessel. A temple of god, as the consciousness is carried inside.

This consciousness/soul, is not a part of this creation. It is eternal, as it is a part of the father. This is your light body. Your soul/consciousness is your individual and limited perception within the father, owner of all souls/consciousness, that which knows all, that which is and always has been and so on. This can not be killed, and this is why Jesus tells you not to worry about those who only have power to kill the body, not the soul. This is why you are said to be eternal and so on. There is a reason and understanding behind it.

Consciousness creates logic, it creates things. Logic and creation can not create consciousness. There is simply no logic that can create consciousness. You can come up with logic that simulates it, such as random numbers, but even random numbers are not truly random. Only consciousness can do such a thing. You have no idea how special and different it is to have consciousness.

There are 2 levels in the bible. 1 is creation/physical. 1 is spiritual. Creation is all about logic. It is all based on action and reaction. Because of this, we are able to have science and technology. We know how to weigh and measure. The spiritual is all about soul/consciousness/god. It is about understanding and reason. You have choice, you can see, you can understand. You aren't forced to react a certain way. This is special. This is the god within you. Science is great in the first, it turns it's back on consciousness/god. It is not equipped to deal with consciousness.

To sell your soul is to give away your free will and the things god gave you. To become like a robot, based only on action and reaction so that you can be controlled. People do this for material. They would rather be entertained and asleep instead of seeking the truth. They become the mindless society you see around you. The father does not do this. He gives truth, and the truth sets you free from this bondage and slavery. Rather than instructing you directly, he will give you the understandings you need to make the right choices. This ability is wisdom. The wise man is the rich man in the eyes of God. This is how Jesus gives, this is not how the world gives.

We took from the tree of knowledge, to know both good and evil. This is called knowledge because you have to experience and see both to actually understand either. Just as you can't understand hot and cold without experiencing both. However, wisdom is the ability to choose based on this knowledge. To make the correct/wise choice.

You are then sent to earth, away from the garden because you now know evil. This is done to protect the tree of life. This would be all the things which do not know evil, or do not choose evil. You are quarantined on to this planet until you learn these lessons. You are born without memory so that the evil is allowed to get in. So that you can experience. Like a child, innocent but we all know how devilish they can be. It's cute when they tell a lie, like they didn't eat the cake when they have it smeared all over their face. They don't know better. Some people call it a prison, I don't like that term because it implies I'm trapped. I like to call it a school, because as I learn my lessons and make wise choices I will graduate and "free" myself.

Then, when you do learn and gain the knowledge, you will see the truth. And then when you make the wise choices, then you will be following Jesus. This is why he always talks about doing as he says. If you don't do as he says, then you do not truly believe him. But by following his example, you will gain wisdom and then you will make the right choices which leads to the tree of life, and eternal life etc.

Now, the only thing which can create something out of nothing is thought. Thought can only come from consciousness/god. God is all knowing etc. This means that every single possibility that is possible is actually there. For 1 possibility to not be there, would mean that god is not all knowing and all powerful. Because of this, all of creation does not move in the eyes of the father. It doesn't move. It is like viewing the entire movie film at once, but every possible film is stacked right on top of it. You as the son/daughter see a limited version of creation. Rather than viewing the entire movie film at once, you see only 1 frame, or a small part of creation. This is followed by another frame, and this change creates the illusion of time. To us, this seems to flow in a linear fashion, because from our perspective it is linear - 1 frame at a time. But in reality, you move in all directions, it just seems like 1. Choice and heart/intention is what determines your path. You make a bad choice, you end up in a dimension where you are reaping it. You make a good choice, you end up in a dimension where you are rewarded. Rob a store, go to a dimension where you are in jail. You can do that now. Smile at a stranger on the street, might end up in a dimension with a friend. You reap what you sow.

When you don't follow and break commandments, then you will reap bad things. So Jesus is the example to help you see the truth and make wise choices. This will lead to dimensions where things are better. You have to be the change you want to see. So these choices you make lead to an actual path that is to be followed. This is the purpose of the LIFE of Jesus. To show you that path, to help you make wise choices, and to lead you back to the garden/heaven. The universe actually changes automatically to give you the lessons you need in this way. Since you don't need the lesson about stealing, you don't get that lesson.

I didn't quote you much and put direct answers for space, but I think this pretty much addresses what you posted about.

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If I could I would gladly quote your whole post again, as I am also a witness to what you have found...

Others won't listen to you or me, because they are "Unconscious" of "Consciousness" which is Life and is The Gift Of Christ.

Only Life can Give Life...

In the Book of Thomas ....

56.
Jesus said,

"Whoever has come
to understand the world
has found only a corpse,

and whoever has found a corpse
is superior to the world."

There is A'Dam the Flesh...
There is Man The Soul...
And There is Life.....

Humankind confuses these three...

The Life of God is The Light of Man or Only Begotten Son...

But do Not be concerned as Not One Soul is Lost out of Christ's Hand..

No Descendant of A'Dam can Rob Christ of One Single Soul...

The Son of God or The Life of God has already won before the Earth was Manifested....

It is only the foolishness of the descendants of A'Dam that separates one against the other...

In the End God and His Christ Wins.... The Intentions of Unconscious Flesh looses. For who has power to dictate to the Works of The Christ's Father ???

The Descendants of A'Dam can Argue all they want and deny and ignore the Ones who have the Eternal Gift of Consciousness From Christ but in Time they to come to Christ as All extended from Him and All Returns to Him...

[edit on 21-1-2009 by The Matrix Traveller]

At the very least, Jesus say to believe for the very works sake. This means you do not have to believe he is god, you do not have to believe you are god. At least you can see why he is showing the better path.

And to do this is to understand why Jesus does what he does, and how to follow it. Not to judge one another, and to live and let live. Because if you can see at least that, then you will not reap bad things etc. I do believe this has alot to do with heart. Because generally people with alot of heart and love do alot of these things automatically. But, where they don't they will still reap bad things.

So just like I mentioned with the actual path. Those who can see how a society that acts as Jesus does, and then does that - they are walking the path. This is the most important thing, and should be understood at the very least for anyone who follows.

Think of the perfect and heavenly society. Do not think in terms of laws. But rather, think in terms of a society where laws are not needed at all. A society that doesn't war, doesn't kill, and steal. How would these people have to act towards each other? Do they all have to be alike? Or is there a way for them to basically get along peacefully? Now, be that change. Examine what that is, and I'll bet you'll find yourself looking at doing exactly the same thing Jesus says to do. This is why he says in the very least, believe for the very works sake. Because that is the path to that society.

How can such a society exist with evil in it? It can't. Thus why you were removed from the garden to protect the tree of life. Because that society could not exist with evil in it. If you drop the laws of man, you see the laws of God are actually pretty easy to follow. If you can see the truth, then you won't see them as laws at all. Just a way of life.

This is where hypocrites go wrong. They think they can get to this place by making the changes externally. They try to force and change society. In the process of this, they impose on other peoples free will and become the evil. They do not walk the correct path, and thus they can not be in such a society. The pharisees try to make this society with force. They kill those who kill, they call it justified. But they did not see their own actions. Thus, if you look at it from the other side, you can better see where your actions are wrong, and that makes you not a hypocrite. This is a broad path.

You are forgiven as soon as you no longer do these things. As soon as you are set on the path. Because then you will have chosen wisely, and as soon as you are no longer doing evil it's not a problem. You can return. Forgiven immediately. You might have to walk through some of your mud along the way, to finish reaping what you sowed before, but you are forgiven. Just as if you put your finger on a stove eye, you are immediately not burned when you remove the finger, but you may still feel the pain for a bit while it heals.

You may fall in the ditch from time to time so to speak. But as long as you are heading in the general direction, you will get where you are going. Most people stumble when they first wake up in the morning and wipe the sleep out of their eyes. Helping hands will be there when needed, but not always when wanted.

You know, it's the prayers god doesn't answer that are the true blessings. You are always given what you need, but not always what you want. What a world of hurt I'd be in if all the things I asked for came true.

Anyway, actual path that is to be followed. And this is why 1 world religion is not needed. Each culture gets their own way of understanding the path. But they all teach the same basic way, and again that is what is important. This is why Jesus says he has many flocks. This is also why it says the holy spirit is able to speak in tongues. The holy spirit is able to speak to anyone in there own language, as the holy spirit is about understanding. Of course, those who focus on the idols between the cultures are the ones that fight, they don't actually follow the path, and they try to get people to follow them on that path by rallying people around the false idol as I have talked about many times. IE: hypocrites. But in understanding, it is universal. A rose by another other name still smells the same. That smell is universal, and so is truth.

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
reply to post by badmedia

 

If I could I would gladly quote your whole post again, as I am also a witness to what you have found...

Others won't listen to you or me, because they are "Unconscious" of "Consciousness" which is Life and is The Gift Of Christ.

Only Life can Give Life...

In the Book of Thomas ....

56.
Jesus said,

"Whoever has come
to understand the world
has found only a corpse,

and whoever has found a corpse
is superior to the world."

I like this quote, it is truth. The world is just like logic in a program, or a computer game. Without you and your consciousness playing it, then it is useless, just a bunch of patterns being run, aka dead.

I can see what you are saying. I do believe all that is from the spirit of god will eventually return. It's just a matter of what it takes before they all wake up. How far into the evil things must go. So yes, the battle is already won and lost. I figure one day we will all look back on this and laugh, kind of like looking back at haircuts and clothes you picked out as a child and thought were so cool at the time.




[edit on 21-1-2009 by badmedia]

Originally posted by Simplynoone
Rev 1:18 I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Isa 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Isa 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

And so, how do you not see the truth.. right there. in front of you? G.d always was, is, and will be. Amen (*ahem*.. think about this) says "I was dead and now I am alive and hold the keys of hell and death."

Isaiah warns.. Under falsehood have we hid ourselves. Amen is the hidden one.
Your covenent with death... Amen (Jesus the man - not the Word) holds the keys to hell and death.

It is right there in front of you Simplysomeone. G.d is giving you the very clues to not fall for the lie.

Simplysomeone.. whose covenent was with a human sacrifice? Not ours. We made a covenant with Life.

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