Paul ~ Inventing a new saviour

reply to post by badmedia


Romans3:24 I believe correlates to matt12:36. Grace is the unmerited strength from God to walk in your redemption. Your confession is not so much what you physically say with your mouth, but rather what you do, it is your actions. Your idle words show what you believe. It is not enough to say that God is your master and you know the truth, you must proclaim it through your actions. Its your confession. Grace is given to overcome the limitations your flesh (sin nature) places on your spirit. My spirit longs to fulfill Gods law, but my flesh wars against it. That's why I need Gods grace to be justified, it allows me to put to death my sin nature.

1cor10:33 is speakung on not giving offense to men who want to judge you based upon their traditions. He said to do all things to the glory of God. Basically only do the traditions to serve God. Jesus was speaking to the pharisees , telling them that keep the traditions only to justify themselves to others, not in servitude to God. They were trying to look righteous by their actions to men, but their hearts did not care what God wanted. They wanted to be well thought of by men, their peers, they wanted to be well spoken of. Paul was not looking for mens approval, rather he was saying do your traditions, only because you are serving God as your motive, not because you are serving idols.

Originally posted by L.I.B.
reply to post by justamomma

 

The Son of man is speaking through His children and you don't see that because you are too focused on a man/flesh and blood.

So, what is it?

Do you want us to honor YOU for having the WORD revealed to you?

you sound like the people in the NT when they were listening to Jesus talk. Exact same attitude and almost word for word.

LIB I have not said or implied this once. I have only said there is one Savior and that is G.d. No, I do not want you to honor me.. you are just being silly now.

[edit on 19-1-2009 by justamomma]

reply to post by justamomma


Then what are you saying?

It truly appears as though you are saying that

1. I have the WORD.
2. I am a child.
3. Everyone who doesn't see things the same way I do doesn't and isn't.

Please lay off the accusations that I worship a man as God, okay. Perhaps if you get that out of your head you might see something.

Originally posted by L.I.B.
reply to post by justamomma

 

Then what are you saying?

It truly appears as though you are saying that

1. I have the WORD.
2. I am a child.
3. Everyone who doesn't see things the same way I do doesn't and isn't.

Please lay off the accusations that I worship a man as God, okay. Perhaps if you get that out of your head you might see something.

1. Yes.. and you could to. You see it, but you do not hear it. That is not my fault and if you would quit being snippy and at least be kind in your attempts to make me see it your way, who knows.. maybe you could actually see it my way.

2. I am.
3. Wrong.... Everyone who worships an idol is being deceived. That is all I have said in that regards. I am hardly one who would be content in a world where everyone saw things the same way I do. The Father made us different for a reason. But that doesn't negate that you are believing a man over G.d.

reply to post by justamomma

you sound like the people in the NT when they were listening to Jesus talk. Exact same attitude and almost word for word.

LIB I have not said or implied this once. I have only said there is one Savior and that is G.d. No, I do not want you to honor me.. you are just being silly now.

I am not the only one seeing it.

I agree it is only God that draws and saves. Yet, Israel has had many saviors... as you have agreed.

We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.


[edit on 19-1-2009 by L.I.B.]

And to add to clarify.. as I can clearly see that logic is not going to reign supreme here.. *sighs*

for my first point above, I just meant .. a nice exchange is always a good thing.. either of us could catch on to something new.. an idea I mean, no?

reply to post by justamomma

Wrong.... Everyone who worships an idol is being deceived.

I agree.

But that doesn't negate that you are believing a man over G.d.

And then another false accusation.

reply to post by badmedia


When I ask God a question, He gives me the answer according to His word. If I ask is this right or is this wrong according to what I have learned, He answers the question and reveals to me more wisdom. He doesn't leave it at yes or no, but rather explains in such a way that I will search deeper and be brought closer to Him. That, as I assume you will agree, is why He reveals wisdom, to bring us closer to Him.

Originally posted by L.I.B.
I am not the only one seeing it.

I agree it is only God that draws and saves. Yet, Israel has had many saviors... as you have agreed.

We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.


[edit on 19-1-2009 by L.I.B.]

But Jesus said that He came only to the lost sheep of Israel. So, I guess that marks him off of the world's savior list, no?


Do you think G.d was lying when He said He alone was the Savior and that there was none other? Big S, was of the world. He delivers the saviors to Israel. He has done this even now via the Son of man aka the Word.. but you all are too busy holding on to what a man says.

Man lies
God does not lie

Man breaks laws
G.d does not break laws

Thus, paul is a false teacher. It is that simple. It is logical. It makes sense.

If Paul is right, why are you all comforted that G.d can change on a dime? That is NOT good news!

Originally posted by L.I.B.
And then another false accusation.

Do you believe Paul's message?

reply to post by justamomma

But Jesus said that He came only to the lost sheep of Israel. So, I guess that marks him off of the world's savior list, no?

That IS what Jesus kept saying. And, I know that he did come only for those who had been sent into this world and then forgot who they were and what they were supposed to be doing. These individuals are still in the world.

That, however, doesn't change two things:

1. He (Jesus) never turned away anyone who came to him, and 2. The prayer of Jesus that is the whole of chapter 17 in John.

Please look at verse 20.

15 "I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one.

16 "They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

17"Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.

18"As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.

19"For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth.

20"I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word;

The whole prayer is quite revealing.

Do you think G.d was lying when He said He alone was the Savior and that there was none other?

No. I do not think God is a liar.

That doesn't change the fact that God sends people to this world to awaken others. This world was given to us, we have dominion and God through his own rules must have a living person in the world, by his own free will,to bring God's light here.

Big S, was of the world. He delivers the saviors to Israel. He has done this even now via the Son of man aka the Word.. but you all are too busy holding on to what a man says.

Man lies
God does not lie

Man breaks laws
G.d does not break laws

Thus, paul is a false teacher. It is that simple. It is logical. It makes sense.

If Paul is right, why are you all comforted that G.d can change on a dime? That is NOT good news!

I do not think that God changes, yet, God does as God wills.

It is God's will that gentiles be brought into the knowledge of the One True God. Since that is his will, I do not limit God on how he wished/wishes to accomplish that will.

To limit God... is thinking that we personally know more than God.

Originally posted by Simplynoone
Here is what your not getting justamomma ..

Christ gave his self (as in he lay down his own life for ALL as he says we all should do (not physically speaking but spiritually speaking ) he did not commit suicide .............man was the one who killed him ..(he did not kill himself) ...

It was man who KILLED JESUS >...God did not ..and Christ did not kill himself ...
MAN SENTENCED HIM TO DEATH ....man killed Jesus and in doing so they actually sacrificed a human being ....even though they may not see it that way ..that is exactly what they did when they killed him ...


Man also killed every single one of Jesus Apostles (except John) Now I wonder why they would do that if there was NO TRUTH in any of it ?

Which just proves that man would even kill GOD if they thought they could
As they kill him all day long when they kill eachother ......................

To understand this, one must "get it" that Jesus symbolized the Son of God, which is One and Holy. "Man" is the manifestation of *many* which destroys the One. The One is like one loaf of bread...whole. The *many*, in order to exist [survive], must destroy the one loaf to serve their own individual purposes.

Justamomma is like one who destroys the One loaf to feed her ego, so-to-speak. This is not an insult. Its just how it is. The egO is an extra gOd which we call "Father" to usurp the place of *Our Father*. The egO expects respect and obedience, and separates between what is really One.

Man is the *many* of the egO...made in its image...speaking with a forked tongue because its mind is split. It is capricious, unable to make up its mind what it wants, and what it wants to be. As such, the egO is every "man, beast, and every creeping thing". Man is one of many manifestations of egO.

The egO arises in the mind of the Son of God as an extra gOd...a gOd beyond/besides GoD. And this is the gOdfather of the universe which claims to be "all of creation". It is nOt. It is a lie. So the gOdfather is the father of all lies. And every man traces his lineage back to the gOdfather, his maker.

So, Jesus said, "Call no man father", so as to end the egO's domination of one mind.

One must understand that man is the breaking of the One into *many*.
The *many* are idols in the mind of the Son of God.
The many destroy the mind of the Son of God.
The mind of the Son of God is the "temple" of the Son of God.
The *many* [man] destroys the Holy [Whole, One] temple of the Son of God with many temples, many minds, many parts.
The many are the "unholy".
They are not unholy because they committed a crime.
They are inherently unholy because the many are not whole.

The many desecrates the Holy temple of the Son of God.
This is what Jesus meant when he said,
"Destroy this temple and I will raise it up again in three days".
He was not talking about his body.
His body was symbolic of the mind of the Son of God, destroyed by man [many].

Christ!



[edit on 19-1-2009 by Christ!]

Originally posted by justamomma
Everyone who worships an idol is being deceived. That is all I have said in that regards. I am hardly one who would be content in a world where everyone saw things the same way I do. The Father made us different for a reason. But that doesn't negate that you are believing a man over G.d.

The "Father" that makes "us different" is an idol.
*Our Father* does not make us different.

This is where you stumble.
You verily worship differences.
Differences is what *separation* is all about.
Differences set one apart from another as unique, special.
To you, this is like *salvation*.

Differences *save* you from Oneness, and allows you to be *special*
In this regard, you are like Israel.
In this regard, you are like Paul.
Paul worshipped the gOd of differences.

Differences were Paul's *salvation*.
Paul was special.
Oneness was Jesus' salvation.
Jesus was not special.
Paul made Jesus special because Paul secretly desired to be special.
So Paul made an idol that he too may be idolized.
Paul hoped for a glorified Paul with a glorified body.
Paul desired a glorified body that was like Jesus' resurrected body.
Paul desired a glorified body that was also different from other glorified bodies.
In this way, Paul never stopped worshipping the idol.
So, he worshipped the gOdfather, which offers differences to the gullible.
In making Jesus special, Paul stoned the gospel of oneness to death.

What you do not understand, is that the *differences* formula is what makes hell *hell*.

Paul's "Father" was the gOdfather, the gOd of the big O.
Your "Father" is the gOdfather, the gOd of the big O.

You would like to think you are different from Paul.
But you are of the same gOdfather.

Why do you mask the big O?

Christ!




[edit on 19-1-2009 by Christ!]

Originally posted by justamomma
LIB I have not said or implied this once. I have only said there is one Savior and that is G.d.

The G.d of differences is the savior of those who worship differences.
The GoD of equality is the savior of those who worship oneness.

Those saved by G.d are different from G.d.
Those saved by GoD are One with GoD...equal...same...nOt different.

Jesus considered it natural to be equal with GoD.
So he is said to be "GoD".
Jesus did not consider it natural to be a man.

Those who are saved by G.d consider it natural to be a man [male/female/transgender/ect]
Those who are saved by G.d make Jesus to be "GoD and man", or, "man".
This is the solution of G.d, the gOd of man.
This is not the solution of GoD, the GoD of GoD.

There is no GoD and man.
GoD is.
Man is not.

It depends on what you consider to be salvation.
The world is salvation for those who want to be different.
The different therefore, want the world, differently.
The different want a world without evil.
But,
Differences are the evil.
The different cannot see how they are part of the problem, and not part of the solution.
The solution is salvation.
Salvation is for a mind that believes in separation and differences.

Christ!



[edit on 19-1-2009 by Christ!]

Justamomma,
You keep saying that I and others are pagans. I find that insulting and unfounded. Jesus (in His diety) is just as much a part of God as the Father is. When my wife and I were married, we became one. When my children honor their mother, my wife, they honor me. How can two walk together lest they be agreed. Jesus never taught or did anything contrary to what the Father willed. They were and are one. READ 1JOHN5:7!
It is not pagan worship, it is honoring and recognizing God. But since you want to throw out the NT and only hold onto a few red words from Jesus and the tanakh, you will not see it because your eyes are still veiled.
Since the law could not regenerate mans dead spirit, God gave us His son that we might (if you believe) have life and have it more abundantly. People with unregenerated spirits cannot grasp this concept when satan has continued to keep it hidden from them through their vain logic and wisdom.

Originally posted by justamomma

But Jesus said that He came only to the lost sheep of Israel. So, I guess that marks him off of the world's savior list, no?

Those lost sheep are still lost as of even to this day ..
the Lost Sheep (Literal Israel ) recieved HIM NOT >.remember EVEN HE SAID THAT >.................

Jer 50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away [on] the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.
(((The Shepherds of the people ..YOUR SCRIBES the PRIESTS who brought the people the LAW are the REASON THEY HAVE GONE ASTRAY)))))They were TAUGHT that the LAW CAN SAVE ...and the SACRIFICES can save ..etc etc etc etc .........and yet they themselves could not even keep themselves pure from all of those sacrifices and laws etc ..........IT PURIFIED THEM NOT ........and made it so even they could not enter the HOLY OF HOLIES anymore .(which is the tabernacle of God of which is CHRIST (who was the tabernacle made without hands who was among men )

Many of the LOST SHEEP came in when they BELIEVED ON CHRIST >
(The Twelves apostles and MANY JEWS who at that time believed) ..
Those OTHER SHEEP he said he has .ARE THE GENTILES WHO BELIEVED ON HIM .........Which Paul was the one who was chosen to GO TO THE GENTILES (These Gentiles were the other sheep who were not of the fold of the Twelve tribes of Israel)

Isa 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

THAT DAY IS NOT HERE YET ..that day is the DAY OF LORD >.when he comes the SECOND TIME (Do you not see that in those verses? he will set his HAND AGAIN the SECOND TIME to RECOVER THE REMNANT of his people..............)
There is a remnant left to this day a remnant from the HOUSE OF ISRAEL>.
Jesus said ..when you see all the things he mentioned (Israel being surrounded by armies and is about to be completely destroyed) he said LOOK UP FOR YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWETH NIGH ...............
That is when this REMNANT who is left shall be saved .....
Some will be sealed for the tribulation (144,000) some will be hid in the wilderness from death ..and some will be killed during the trib ...for the TESTIMONY THEY HAVE OF JESUS CHRIST >....(so you see there are still people (Or House of Israel) who are not yet in )

Eze 14:22 Yet, behold, therein shall be left a remnant that shall be brought forth, [both] sons and daughters: behold, they shall come forth unto you, and ye shall see their way and their doings: and ye shall be comforted concerning the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, [even] concerning all that I have brought upon it.

Mic 5:3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time [that] she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.

Mic 5:7 And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the LORD, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men.

Mic 5:8 And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.

Jhn 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine.

Jhn 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
(((((((Jesus layed down his life for YOU >>.you are that sheep ...we are that sheep ..He is the GOOD SHEPHARD ..the HIGH PRIEST who took the place of your wicked sinful high priests and Popes and of course modern day organized religion preachers who teach TOUCH NOT FEEL NOT HEAR NOT ....because the law sayeth it ..... (Letter of the law followers) .
Those Priests and Popes and Preachers etc CAN NOT EVEN FOLLOW THE LAW THEMSELVES ..therefor they cannot be a proper STAND IN for the PEOPLE >..JESUS WAS .................actually JESUS ALONE ..could ....and did ............He mediates between us and the HOLY FATHER who cannot even look upon us due to our sinful nature ..............he can look upon Christ and Christ in us is what GOD THE FATHER SEES and it is HIM HE HEARS >..as we COMMUNE with JESUS CHRIST he COMMUNES with the FATHER for us .
Our prayers and our righteousness is as FILTHY RAGS before a HOLY GOD >
Jesus (whos righteousness is not as filthy rags ) makes INTERCESSION for us just like the High Priests did in the days of old .................................


Jhn 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.
(((((((((((((Here is where Jesus was telling them he has OTHER SHEEP not of THIS (LOST HOUSE of Israel ) FOLD >>>>....


I just dont know how else to explain this all to you
This is how I understand it ....at least some of it ..
There is more ..but it would take forever to explain about Judah and Jacob
And how they fit into the end times (the end end which is not yet ) ..they still will do as scripture says they will do ..but not yet ..................
not until as Jesus said ..The FULNESS OF THE GENTILES be fulfilled .
Then he will turn again to his people ISRAEL .....and will deal with them DURING THE TRIB .......................

((all of this is really nothing I have even studied hard in trying to figure all of it out ......this is what the HOLY SPIRIT within me has taught me ..NOT PAUL ..)))))))))))))))



[edit on 19-1-2009 by Simplynoone]

Justamomma ..I know you wont even read my long posts ..neither will you understand them ..

So let me just ask another very simple question ..

If the Jews ..actually understood about Jesus Christ ...why then did they argue day and night with him ...why did they accuse him ..why did they seek to kill him ..when they argued the very same arguments you are argueing ?
And why did Jesus ...REBUKE them call them a generation of vipers got very irritated with them etc ....if they spoke the truth and actually got it >?
They spewed the very same words out at him (what about the law ..yadda yadda)as you are at us who TESTIFY that he is indeed the CHRIST >...SON OF THE LIVING GOD .......

Originally posted by Simplynoone

((all of this is really nothing I have even studied hard in trying to figure all of it out ......this is what the HOLY SPIRIT within me has taught me ..NOT PAUL ..)))))))))))))))

There is a spirit which calls itself the Holy Spirit, which is nOt.
It is the unholy spirit.
The unholy spirit teaches separation.
You are learning separation.
The Holy Spirit teaches oneness.
Those who are learning oneness hear his voice.
Those who are learning separation hear another voice.
Oneness makes no sense to those learning separation.
Separation makes no sense to those learning oneness.


Christ!

[edit on 19-1-2009 by Christ!]

Originally posted by Simplynoone
They spewed the very same words out at him (what about the law ..yadda yadda)as you are at us who TESTIFY that he is indeed the CHRIST >...SON OF THE LIVING GOD .......

In order to testify of Christ, one must understand what "Christ" means.
Jesus testified of Christ, understanding what Oneness means.
Jesus testified of the Son of God, understanding what One means.

You do not testify of what Jesus testified of.
You do not understand what Christ means.
So,
You do not understand what Jesus meant.

Christ!

reply to post by Christ!


The same spirit that teaches simplynoone is the same one teaching me. If you are calling it unclean, then I was right about you calling yourself christ. The Holy Spirit is not teaching seperation, but is rather trying to bring us all into God. We are all the body of Christ, those who believe, just as Paul taught. No seperation there.
Your posts are confusing and God is not the author of confusion.