Paul ~ Inventing a new saviour

Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by Simplynoone

Originally posted by Clearskies
reply to post by Simplynoone

 

It's a good thing God made salvation so simple, even a child could understand it!
Jesus had to teach the priests at the Temple!

No doubt ....and of course the Priests and Scribes and Pharisees reacted viciously since his teachings did not seem to (due to their misinterpretations of the scriptures)coincide with the doctrines of man (Scribes and Pharisees beliefs)Sounds familiar .........

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Read again.. the ones that got mad are like the ones that are getting mad at the things that badmedia and I are saying. They did not get mad at your teaching. The ones that were angry supposedly, just like you, were all about killing Jesus.

Paul was such a one!

thus, he whored out the message and the words escape you.

You are getting mad at Jesus' words because badmedia and I have been saying those things to you all here.

It is very hypocritical and yes, it does sound familiar. Thus, my astonishment.

[edit on 19-1-2009 by justamomma]

You and Badmedia are not even in agreement on MOST things ...
the only thing you two seem to agree on is your condemnation for Paul ..


[edit on 19-1-2009 by Simplynoone]

Here is what your not getting justamomma ..

Christ gave his self (as in he lay down his own life for ALL as he says we all should do (not physically speaking but spiritually speaking ) he did not commit suicide .............man was the one who killed him ..(he did not kill himself) ...

It was man who KILLED JESUS >...God did not ..and Christ did not kill himself ...
MAN SENTENCED HIM TO DEATH ....man killed Jesus and in doing so they actually sacrificed a human being ....even though they may not see it that way ..that is exactly what they did when they killed him ...


Man also killed every single one of Jesus Apostles (except John) Now I wonder why they would do that if there was NO TRUTH in any of it ?

Which just proves that man would even kill GOD if they thought they could
As they kill him all day long when they kill eachother ......................

Originally posted by Simplynoone
Ok this is to Justamomma ..

Real simple questions ...

Do you believe that God is in heaven alone >?
If so ..what about when God said let US make man in OUR image ..(obviously Jesus and the Holy Spirit coexist with God ) ....because we are not made like the angels so he could not be talking to just angels when he said that .....We are a little below the angels and a little above the animals..
Jesus was not made in the image of man ...I believe we were made in his image ...as all things were created by him and for him....

I just LOVE how Paul's words keep getting thrown back as proof for Paul's words.

No, I do not. Then again, I do not believe in heaven as something to be attained in a far off distant future either.

Originally posted by Simplynoone
Here is what your not getting justamomma ..

Christ gave his self (as in he lay down his own life for ALL as he says we all should do (not physically speaking but spiritually speaking ) he did not commit suicide .............man was the one who killed him ..(he did not kill himself) ...

When did I ever once say that he committed suicide Simplysomeone?

I FULLY agree that man is the one, even now, responsible for the death of the Son of man.

I, however am not. He speaks to me and I hear. He speaks to you and you cover your ears.. "tra la la la .. you are dead and haven't returned and I can't hear you."

But you do well now.. what is that they say? Confession is good for the soul?

PS ...Why did they kill him ...because the law was used to condemn him to death .........And who killed him ? The people of the law ...Roman Law and Jewish Law .

Which is why the law was not perfect ...and could not save ..but actually killeth (the letter killeth the spirit maketh alive) ...................

Originally posted by Simplynoone
You and Badmedia are not even in agreement on MOST things ...
the only thing you two seem to agree on is your condemnation for Paul ..

Well sheesh! What a boring world it would be if we were required to view all things the same, no?

What we do agree on is enough to show that we have the light according to Isaiah 8: 20.

Originally posted by Simplynoone
PS ...Why did they kill him ...because the law was used to condemn him to death .........And who killed him ? The people of the law ...Roman Law and Jewish Law .

Which is why the law was not perfect ...and could not save ..but actually killeth (the letter killeth the spirit maketh alive) ...................

So, G.d is not perfect? And Paul knew better than G.d?

Then please do tell where heaven is ?

This certainly is NOT heaven ....
Mankind is so far GONE from even being in the image of God that it isnt funny ..

Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by Simplynoone
You and Badmedia are not even in agreement on MOST things ...
the only thing you two seem to agree on is your condemnation for Paul ..

Well sheesh! What a boring world it would be if we were required to view all things the same, no?

What we do agree on is enough to show that we have the light according to Isaiah 8: 20.

So hating Paul is having light in you ?
I disagree ...and if that is light then I WANT NO PART OF THAT LIGHT because it is DARKNESS not light .....
Even if Paul was not a fellow brother in the Lord ....Why are you not ON YOUR KNEES THEN PRAYING FOR HIS SOUL ..instead of SLANDERING HIM ?

reply to post by justamomma


I did not say he or she was christ. I was making an observation based on what that persons screen name was and what they were seemingly perpatrating in their words.

Originally posted by Simplynoone
Then please do tell where heaven is ?

This certainly is NOT heaven ....
Mankind is so far GONE from even being in the image of God that it isnt funny ..

And NOW you are threading in the right direction Simplysomeone

Who is responsible for this mess in the world? Is it G.d? or is it man's lack of G.d's knowledge? Why would G.d just yank us out by the sacrifice of man and take us to heaven (considering you see it elsewhere) only to have heaven destroyed?

If we cannot be responsible for our actions here, what makes you think we would be responsible somewhere else?

Originally posted by Simplynoone
So hating Paul is having light in you ?
I disagree ...and if that is light then I WANT NO PART OF THAT LIGHT because it is DARKNESS not light .....
Even if Paul was not a fellow brother in the Lord ....Why are you not ON YOUR KNEES THEN PRAYING FOR HIS SOUL ..instead of SLANDERING HIM ?

I never said I hated Paul. I said Paul (as the name attached to the message) lied and deceived.

I have also stated that I can see the reason it was done.. why it was allowed, if not even pushed for.

I can't pray for someone's soul who is no longer alive, simplysomeone. I can only do what it is in front of me to do.

Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by Simplynoone
PS ...Why did they kill him ...because the law was used to condemn him to death .........And who killed him ? The people of the law ...Roman Law and Jewish Law .

Which is why the law was not perfect ...and could not save ..but actually killeth (the letter killeth the spirit maketh alive) ...................

So, G.d is not perfect?

And Paul knew better than G.d?

Ok lets go there ..
Prove that God wrote any of the laws ?
If Moses was a metaphor (and so was all of the OT)then the ten commandments are also metaphorical and are not real ...neither are they from God ..since God is invisible and Moses was just a mere man (as you say Jesus was ) and it was a mere man MOSES who brought THAT LAW to the people .........was it not ?

I want to show you something in the OT >..

Psa 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.

Psa 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give [it]: thou delightest not in burnt offering.

Hsa 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Hsa 8:13 They sacrifice flesh [for] the sacrifices of mine offerings, and eat [it; but] the LORD accepteth them not; now will he remember their iniquity, and visit their sins: they shall return to Egypt.

Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

Jer 7:24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels [and] in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.


Now was Moses (the one who brought the law and the sacrifice services to the Children of Israel) also a false prophet >?
According to the above scriptures (taken out of context as you have been doing with Pauls writings) it would sure seem as if Moses made up his own rules ...Does it not ?

Originally posted by One4truth
reply to post by justamomma

 

I did not say he or she was christ. I was making an observation based on what that persons screen name was and what they were seemingly perpatrating in their words.

I knew exactly what you were saying and I was not disagreeing with you.. but the verse you were posting was not talking about false christs outside of Jesus..

JESUS was saying that many would come in HIS (JESUS') name saying HE (JESUS) was christ and would deceive many. That was all.

Originally posted by Simplynoone
Psa 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.

And this is truth. Hear it. G.d does not break laws, man does!

When you hear it, you heart will swell with love for your Creator because He does not require these things and you will WANT to follow Him because you will KNOW who it is you are following... Man breaks laws, but G.d does not. It is simple.

Now about Jesus Christ ...

What was the one thing man was cursed with when he was sent out of the garden ? DEATH ...we would surely die now ...
And God even said unless you now eat of the fruit of the tree of LIFE >>>you will surely die ..(Which they did not get to eat of because that tree of life was HID till CHRIST CAME ...he was that tree of life of which ALL MEN MUST eat (of course symbolically) ........................After his resurrection MANY CAME OUT OF THEIR GRAVES ..and he took them with him when he went to the father (ascended) .........Those who rose with him were from the OT peoples like Adam,and Eve,Seth,Moses,Abraham .etc ...

Jesus died and ROSE AGAIN and as the scripture sayeth ....SWALLOWED UP DEATH IN VICTORY ...which is certainly not something that the LAW can do ..NOW IS IT ?

That was really in my humble opinion just about the whole purpose of the death and resurrection of Christ ...

Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by Simplynoone
Psa 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.

And this is truth. Hear it. G.d does not break laws, man does!

When you hear it, you heart will swell with love for your Creator because He does not require these things and you will WANT to follow Him because you will KNOW who it is you are following... Man breaks laws, but G.d does not. It is simple.

Then Moses was not doing the will of God and he created his own way when he asked that they do sacrifices ...and the Jews were in the wrong for sacrificing animals for thousands of years ....

Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by One4truth
reply to post by justamomma

 

I did not say he or she was christ. I was making an observation based on what that persons screen name was and what they were seemingly perpatrating in their words.

I knew exactly what you were saying and I was not disagreeing with you.. but the verse you were posting was not talking about false christs outside of Jesus..

JESUS was saying that many would come in HIS (JESUS') name saying HE (JESUS) was christ and would deceive many. That was all.

Do you neglect that Jesus admitted that he was the Christ?

1.

But He kept silent and did not answer Again the high priest was questioning Him, and saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?"

And Jesus said, "I am; and you shall see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING WITH THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN." Mark 14:61-62

2.

He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"

Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. Matthew 16:15-17

Originally posted by Simplynoone
Now about Jesus Christ ...

What was the one thing man was cursed with when he was sent out of the garden ? DEATH ...we would surely die now ...
And God even said unless you now eat of the fruit of the tree of LIFE >>>you will surely die ..(Which they did not get to eat of because that tree of life was HID till CHRIST CAME ...he was that tree of life of which ALL MEN MUST eat (of course symbolically) ........................After his resurrection MANY CAME OUT OF THEIR GRAVES ..and he took them with him when he went to the father (ascended) .........Those who rose with him were from the OT peoples like Adam,and Eve,Seth,Moses,Abraham .etc ...

Jesus died and ROSE AGAIN and as the scripture sayeth ....SWALLOWED UP DEATH IN VICTORY ...which is certainly not something that the LAW can do ..NOW IS IT ?

That was really in my humble opinion just about the whole purpose of the death and resurrection of Christ ...

Symbolically, it is a picture. It is a picture of how the Son of man (the Word) died. Most do not understand the Scriptures in the right light and thus, we have a world full of darkness... basically.. hell.

*WE* kill the Son of man when we fail to seek after the knowledge of G.d. Mary Magdalen is a picture of our mourning for the Word that is dead to us..

And when the Word appeared to her, she did not recognize Him, no? What did she say Simplysomeone?

Originally posted by L.I.B.
Do you neglect that Jesus admitted that he was the Christ?

1.

But He kept silent and did not answer Again the high priest was questioning Him, and saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?"

And Jesus said, "I am; and you shall see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING WITH THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN." Mark 14:61-62

Yes, he was speaking as the Son of man.. but not as a flesh and blood man.

It is a picture.. Paul is the one who turned it around to be paganism. the High Priest did not ask are you G.d, or are you my christ.. no. No doubt someone would rush right in at this point. Let's not think and use logic. Why do you think logic does not apply to the Bible? You are not a child a LIB.

2.

He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"

Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. Matthew 16:15-17

BECAUSE FLESH AND BLOOD DID NOT REVEAL THIS TO YOU! Simon also did not say, you are MY christ. He was starting to understand without the blood being shed. The death was a sign; a picture of sorts.. nothing more.

Edited to clarify.. trying to be very clear here...

Clarifying the first point. JESUS WAS NOT THE SON OF MAN! The Word that SPOKE through Jesus was the Son of man.

Almost like he had been channeled by G.d. The dove descending on him is a picture of this. Other men had been considered the Son of man.. the only difference is that the Word stayed in Jesus throughout his mission.

The Son of man = The Word of the LORD... It does not equal JESUS! Peter understood this BEFORE the death of the man that was symbollic.. a picture. You all NEEDED that picture.. but instead of seeing the picture, you started worshiping the man.

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