Paul ~ Inventing a new saviour

Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by Christ!
Who are you?

I am my Father's daughter.

Does your father make the world?
And why do you select a gender?

Originally posted by justamomma
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THE LORD is our Savior.. there is none other. You cannot save yourself. Jesus cannot save you. Only One Savior.. it is He.

I am He.

Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by Christ!
The Law of God cannot be broken.

You are threading in the right direction with this statement. Remember, G.d does not break laws, man does. He does not break the laws of nature nor does He break the laws that were given to us. Man does!

There, in the Laws does your salvation rest.

Why do you continue to blame man? Why does your father blame man?
Man is made in the likeness of his maker. If he is a lawbreaker, so must be his maker.

My salvation rests in the Law of GoD, *Our Father*.
I am the Law of God, created in the likeness of my Father.
I and my Father are one.
I have never broken the Law.
My Father has never blamed me as if I could break the Law.

Christ!



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Isaiah 8:20 You do not have the light in you.

Originally posted by justamomma
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Isaiah 8:20 You do not have the light in you.

You are selling us Paul's used carpetbag of tricks.
It is all the same except for the magic blood.
You have a magic "law".
It is nOt the truth.

Christ!

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Originally posted by justamomma
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Isaiah 8:20 You do not have the light in you.

You mean "Dave"? Isaiah does not impress me. So many words. How many words does it take for a Jewish prophet to say, "I am Christ, the Son of God"? Dave won't say it. I doubt Isaiah would say it either. The entire old scripture does not teach you this. Have you learned this from your beloved book of spells? No? So? What purpose does it serve?

As Jesus said to Thomas, the Jewish prophets are dead. But there is One that lives, and He is among you. If they were such great prophets, why did they die, and why would Isaiah get stuck with being "Dave"?

Christ!



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Round and round we go again ..
Read Isa.53 again ...It is all talking about JESUS CHRIST

Jesus is also the BRANCH ..
Zec 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name [is] The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:

Zec 6:13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

Zec 6:14 And the crowns shall be to Helem, and to Tobijah, and to Jedaiah, and to Hen the son of Zephaniah, for a memorial in the temple of the LORD.

Zec 6:15 And they [that are] far off shall come and build in the temple of the LORD, and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you. And [this] shall come to pass, if ye will diligently obey the voice of the LORD your God.

Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Mat 1:6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her [that had been the wife] of Urias;
ETC ETC ETC >....
Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Rev 22:16 I JESUS have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.
JOHN TESTIFIES
THAT JESUS IS THE ROOT and the OFFSPRING OF DAVID >and the bright and morning star .............


Act 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the [son] of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

Acts 13:23Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a SAVIOUR,JESUS

Act 13:25 And as John fulfilled his course, he said, Whom think ye that I am? I am not [he]. But, behold, there cometh one after me, whose shoes of [his] feet I am not worthy to loose.

Act 13:26 Men [and] brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

Act 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled [them] in condemning [him].

Act 13:28 And though they found no cause of death [in him], yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain.

JUSTAMOMMA ...ACTS was NOT written by PAUL ..NEITHER was Revelation.

Again none of us are saying the LAW is not supposed to be kept (The Commandments) If you love the Lord thy God with all your heart soul and mind you will also love your neighbor as yourself and if you love GOD and NEIGHBOR ..you will NOT >...I repeat NOT ...do any stealing or killing or adultry,coveting etc ...............NOR will you serve any other gods .............etc etc .............

It is pretty simple ..if you have the HOLY SPIRIT which is only THROUGH JESUS CHRIST that you can RECIEVE IT

Originally posted by badmedia

Originally posted by Christ!
The Law of God cannot be broken. Christ is the Law. Christ cannot be broken, killed, or kept in the dark. The resurrection speaks of this fact.

According to this, then there is nothing to worry about and it doesn't really matter what I do. I guess I can just go around and kill people all I want, and do whatever evil I want.

Sorry, but I know better. You can't just claim yourself to be Christ, and then say that anything you do is automatically OK. That is a lie. If you are to become Christ, then you will act like him PERIOD. And that means you will follow God's Law and his commandment. There is no discussion otherwise that can even come close to being valid.

I do not take authority as truth, I take truth as authority. To say that Christ can do whatever he wants and it's automatically truth is to say that Authority is truth. And that is the way of this world.

Whatever you do, whatever you believe, you cannot change the changless truth of who you are.
So,
What are "you" "doing" in a world where "they" are doing whatever the hell they want? And how is it that no matter what they do, they cannot change the changless truth of who they are?

Fact is, the world is a collection of thoughts in your mind. Everything that appears to happen in it is something you wished for...wished to see...wanted to "know" about your Self. You cannot separate your "good" actions from the "evil" actions going on seemingly around you, seemingly outside of you. All is within you, just as the Kingdom of God is within you.

So what are you doing? You must be denying responsibility. Why would you do that? Because you believe in guilt. And if guilty, you believe *Our Father* must punish. Brother, there is no punishment for what you've imagined to be real. If it was real, perhaps you would be guilty. But then, that is the whole point of making it real. The reality of the world and guilty feelings go together. It is only as you let go of its supposed reality that the feelings of guilt may pass away as unreal also.

You can go around killing anyone or anything anytime you want. The world is the expression of the wish to do so, and you have wished it. And wishing it, you have seen the crucified Christ.

But the truth is, oneness prevails against the gates [plural, many] of hell. So in fact, there is no such thing as a victim, despite appearances to the contrary. You must come to accept this if you are to waken from this nightmare. You must accept it or else you will not be able to truly forgive.

Your current notion of forgiveness is like Paul's. And it won't work. You can't make guilt real and then presume to have mercy. To make guilt real is really merciless. To forgive truly, you must see that no harm has been done...and nothing has happened to you that you have not allowed. This is taking responsibility. Otherwise, you perpetuate the victim mentality, and that perpetuates hell.

You will not go around killing people because you don't want to. Christ does not want to. But when you pretend to be something that is not Christ, then, you want to. Everyone is wearing a mask that says, "I am nOt Christ". And if nOt, then what? There is only mischief and mayhem beyond Christ. Think twice about what or who you think you are.

Paul thought some more - special- blooshed was necessary for gOd to forgive what he thought was very real: sin. And if the world was real, it would be an unforgivable sin. You do not believe blood is necessary because you can see that it is magical superstition. But you still think that sin is very real because you think the world is very real. Whatever magic you come up with to forgive it will still be magical superstition. Sin and guilt are not real. They are appearances, deliberatly set up to keep you from the Truth.

Here is an astonishing fact: *Our Father* does not forgive...because He has never condemned. Forgiveness is for those who have believed in condemnation. The world is the condemnation of Christ...if it were the truth...if it could be "known" as "real". *Our Father* has never considered it to be real, nor any of his business, except to provide a way out of what poses as a potential communication breakdown. That was solved by the creation of the Holy Spirit, the mediator between reality and illusions.

Christ!



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Originally posted by Simplynoone
Round and round we go again ..

Yes... I am glad simplysomeone!

Read Isa.53 again ...It is all talking about JESUS CHRIST

Yes, I will.. but may I note that I have read the whole of Isaiah over and over and over for many years. I could not understand it. It was not until I chunked everything that man has taught me that HE came and showed me what I was missing.

He does NOT want you to doubt Him! He does not want you to be in the dark! He constructed it in such a way that when the time was ready, He would open it to those who were seeking. You are such a one! Just keep seeking it. I will read it again, but I am telling you now as I did several passages back.. this is you Simplysomeone.. this is me.. this is badmedia.. and this is others that were sent out into the world as a light to shine to them. This was not about one man.

The suffering servant... read it again. When you went through all that you did, is that not you? It was to designed to make you flee the blind faith.. you have not done so yet, but you have wondered why you have to go through this and what the point is... that WAS the point! You are one of us to save the many and the many will save the all as was promised by G.d when He made the covenant with Noah.

That was the point! This is the DIVINE plan. He will not break any Laws (nature or the ones He gave to show us that it was Him... only man breaks laws) and when it is all said and done, not one person on this earth will deny that HE is G.d. But you must be grounded in the truth before the deception grips you once and for all.

Zec 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name [is] The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:

Jesus did not grow up out of His place... you did. I did. Badmedia did. others in whom He is speaking this to did. We were sent into the world to be mixed into the gene pool. It is all there in HIS Word.

Exodus 19: 4
Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

Matthew 24: 28
For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Matthew 17: 37
And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Isaiah 40: 31
But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

Welcome to *the* conspiracy Simplysomeone! The whole of the Tanakh is now.. it is our story.

Zec 6:15 And they [that are] far off shall come and build in the temple of the LORD, and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you. And [this] shall come to pass, if ye will diligently obey the voice of the LORD your God.

Yes.. they will. It is why I keep speaking what I am told to speak despite the heckling.

Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Yes... this is very true as well! the root.. alchemy.. the blood that was spread into the world.. it was us.

Mat 1:6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her [that had been the wife] of Urias;
ETC ETC ETC >....

If you will note, there are four names missing from this account that are in I Chr. 3:10-16. I have posted it twice in this thread if you want to find it.. or you can just do a comparison between the names Solomon and Jeconia.

Yes.. I have been that into finding the truth!

Revelation most definitely was. I believe the Word of G.d and it can be seen in Daniel. I do not believe what comes out of a man's mouth.

The reason I believe the Tanakh and the Word is because of the way it was laid out brilliantly to where I can not deny that only One of extreme intelligence could put it together. It is not a *then* writing.. it is a *now* writing.

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I am sorry Christ ..but you are like something else ..
I am having a hard enough time trying to understand just where Justamomma is coming from ...but you are even more confusing than she is ..
Sorry dear ..but you are not Christ ..I am not Christ ...and Justamomma is not Christ ...

We are children of God ..we are becoming sons and daughters of God by his Holy Spirit (if we have been reborn of spirit) ..we are becoming a new creature in Christ ...but we are not mini christs ..
We are actually fellow brethren (according to scripture)...of Jesus Christ we shall be joint heirs with him in his kingdom ......but we are not Christ ..

Originally posted by Simplynoone
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I am sorry Christ ..but you are like something else ..
I am having a hard enough time trying to understand just where Justamomma is coming from ...but you are even more confusing than she is ..
Sorry dear ..but you are not Christ ..I am not Christ ...and Justamomma is not Christ ...

We are children of God ..we are becoming sons and daughters of God by his Holy Spirit (if we have been reborn of spirit) ..we are becoming a new creature in Christ ...but we are not mini christs ..
We are actually fellow brethren (according to scripture)...of Jesus Christ we shall be joint heirs with him in his kingdom ......but we are not Christ ..

This belief, then, is anti-Christ.
But your beliefs about me, or about yourself or others...
...cannot change the changeless Truth.
There is only one Son of God.
You are that Son or you are nOt.
If nOt, then what?

If you had understood what it means to "identify with Christ" in baptism, you would not believe as you do.

Christ!


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Tell me.... everywhere Paul says "it is written" ... where are those things? Some I can find and those are the ones that are mentioned ONCE with a warning attached. There are MANY THINGS He claims.. "it is written" and yet it is NOT in there. It may be written, but not in the Tanakh.

There are books of the Earth, There are books written by the Scribes,
and there are Books in Heaven !!!

All is manifested from the "Heavenly Books" and Not the books of Humankind...

We must remember who we are, that is the three parts of us....

1. The Flesh...
2. The Soul in Heaven...
3. The Spirit....

All has been Created of God....

I know No other...

If we Judge the things that God Creates, we Judge God...

This is Gods Creation Not the Creation of Human Primates....

Who of you declares the Wisdom of God ???

Who of the Earth, is liken unto Job????

For The Wisdom and Knowledge of God is foolishness to humankind...

As for your Judgement of Paul leave this to The One who Created Paul Lest The Lord comes Quickly to find account of the Judgement of Paul !

On your Last Day you may give God an account of Your Judgement against Paul, whom God Himself Created, for The Sake of "James The Righteous".

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NOPE! As far as you being in the dark.. this ONE thing simplysomeone and I completely agree on! Thanks for giving us common ground. I guess your purpose in this thread has played itself out now.


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Originally posted by Christ!
Whatever you do, whatever you believe, you cannot change the changless truth of who you are.
So,
What are "you" "doing" in a world where "they" are doing whatever the hell they want? And how is it that no matter what they do, they cannot change the changless truth of who they are?

Fact is, the world is a collection of thoughts in your mind. Everything that appears to happen in it is something you wished for...wished to see...wanted to "know" about your Self. You cannot separate your "good" actions from the "evil" actions going on seemingly around you, seemingly outside of you. All is within you, just as the Kingdom of God is within you.

When you want to know something, you will see 2 sides represented. If I want to know what it means to be hot, I will have to experience what it is to be cold. That I can be either or understand either doesn't mean I have to be both, that is where my choice comes in.

Who are you to tell me what I can and can't do? I can do anything I want. I might not like the consequences, but I can do whatever I want. Again, it is in what I choose that defines me.

So what are you doing? You must be denying responsibility. Why would you do that? Because you believe in guilt. And if guilty, you believe *Our Father* must punish. Brother, there is no punishment for what you've imagined to be real. If it was real, perhaps you would be guilty. But then, that is the whole point of making it real. The reality of the world and guilty feelings go together. It is only as you let go of its supposed reality that the feelings of guilt may pass away as unreal also.

I am not denying responsibility, I am taking responsibility for myself. If I wanted to deny responsibility, I'd follow Paul.

You can go around killing anyone or anything anytime you want. The world is the expression of the wish to do so, and you have wished it. And wishing it, you have seen the crucified Christ.

Sure I can, and then the world I would end up in would be an expression of that, IE: hell.

But the truth is, oneness prevails against the gates [plural, many] of hell. So in fact, there is no such thing as a victim, despite appearances to the contrary. You must come to accept this if you are to waken from this nightmare. You must accept it or else you will not be able to truly forgive.

Here by choice. I don't do things for the rewards.

Your current notion of forgiveness is like Paul's. And it won't work. You can't make guilt real and then presume to have mercy. To make guilt real is really merciless. To forgive truly, you must see that no harm has been done...and nothing has happened to you that you have not allowed. This is taking responsibility. Otherwise, you perpetuate the victim mentality, and that perpetuates hell.

Not true. Are you suggesting that I am foolish for trying to better myself?

You will not go around killing people because you don't want to. Christ does not want to. But when you pretend to be something that is not Christ you want to. Everyone is wearing a mask that says, "I am nOt Christ". And if nOt, then what? There is only mischief and mayhem beyond Christ. Think twice about what or who you think you are.

I know who I am.

Paul thought some more - special- blooshed was necessary for gOd to forgive what he thought was very real: sins. You do not believe blood is necessary because you can see that it is magical superstition. But you still think that sin is very real. Whatever magic you come up with to forgive it will still be magical superstition. Sin and guilt are not real. They are appearances, deliberatly set up to keep you from the Truth.

Here is an astonishing fact: *Our Father* does not forgive...because He has never condemned. Forgiveness is for those who have believed in condemnation.

Sorry, way too much double talk for me.

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You know what.. I asked for the absolute truth no matter how scary it was. There are many DEEP things in the Tanakh.. When you start bringing in man's ideas to it, you miss out on the important thing that G.d needs for some to see.

EDITED TO ADD: I stand in judgement every time I speak.. I must or I could not declare "it is truth."

I do not ask you to believe me. I have only asked anyone to search.

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Originally posted by badmedia
I do not take authority as truth, I take truth as authority. To say that Christ can do whatever he wants and it's automatically truth is to say that Authority is truth. And that is the way of this world.

The world is the idea that there is another will besides the Will of Father and Son, which is one. And the world begets as it was begotten, like from like. So it is a "place" where each one can believe whatever he wants, and think it to be the truth. And he can act on his beliefs, and think he does what he wants, or what is "right". The world is a place where authority seems to be the truth, because it is a place where cause and effect are reversed...backwards...upside down.

I am Christ, so I am the Truth. The world is nOt the truth about me, though I thought for a while that it was. I made it up, and I will dismiss it. It is entirely hypothetical...a fictional story...a false accusation...a rollercoaster ride of foreign feelings. None of it is the truth. I let it do as such. It has no value to me, though I thought for a second that it did.

To you, the world seems real because you still have a lingering desire that it indeed be real. And because you are Christ, you recieve as you ask. If you ask for delusion, you recieve delusion. The world seems real because you underestimate the power of Christ, having denied Christ through the world. To you it is real. To Christ it is hypothetical. To *Our Father* it never happened, never will. It is more than hypothetical to those who have wished it to be "the truth" instead of the Truth. It is not the Truth.

I am the Truth. And "my Kingdom is not of this world".
The world is a self-concept of many self-concepts.
It is not who I am, so I don't see myself that way.
You are free to "choose" to see yourself that way.
You need the entire world to support the self-concept of "badmedia".
So thank the world for providing an experience.
When you are done with the experience, come to your senses, and come home.

Christ!

Originally posted by justamomma
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NOPE! As far as you being in the dark.. this ONE thing simplysomeone and I completely agree on! Thanks for giving us common ground. I guess you purpose in this thread has played itself out now.

I have noted that you are in agreement on this.
That is why I said you are selling Paul's used carpetbag of tricks.

Christ!

Originally posted by Christ!

Originally posted by justamomma
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NOPE! As far as you being in the dark.. this ONE thing simplysomeone and I completely agree on! Thanks for giving us common ground. I guess you purpose in this thread has played itself out now.

I have noted that you are in agreement on this.
That is why I said you are selling Paul's used carpetbag of tricks.

Christ!

Please explain yourself rather than spewing forth the trash talk. I have not said that I agree with Simplysomeone on anything other than you are not christ.

I believe in one Savior only and that is my Father.

Originally posted by badmedia
When you want to know something, you will see 2 sides represented. If I want to know what it means to be hot, I will have to experience what it is to be cold. That I can be either or understand either doesn't mean I have to be both, that is where my choice comes in.

Who are you to tell me what I can and can't do? I can do anything I want. I might not like the consequences, but I can do whatever I want. Again, it is in what I choose that defines me.

What you choose does not define you.
Choice is about change, and you cannot change.
You are Christ.

As Christ, you can "do" whatever the hell you want.
Hell exists as a belief in the mind of Christ.
Hell is something Christ "does".
But in truth, Christ does not "do" anything.
Christ is.
All actions are symbolic.
They are meaningless.

Neither I, nor *Our Father* is telling you to get the hell out of hell, or come home, or do anything other than what you think you want to do. You think you need to make choices in order to "know" something. GoD knows you do not. YOu think you do. Go ahead. But it is this concept that leads into hell. What leads out of hell is to let the Holy Spirit make your choices for you, until you understand that you don't want anything other than what GoD wants: your happiness. Choosing between good and evil will not make you happy. You will not be able to "know" anything about combining good and evil because it is literally not understandable...does not compute...does not make sense. So *Our Father* knows nothing of it. If you really want to be "as GoD", you will eventually learn that you can know nothing of it, nor do you desire to even think anything can be known about it.

As Christ, you are perfect. To seek beyond for what you must learn to "know" is to assume you are not perfect, nOt owning the totality of knowledge aleady. All you are really doing is satisfying a curiousity about "good and evil"...about the proverbial yin and yang. You are free to do so, and doing so is an expression of freedom. There is no other purpose higher than to satisfy curiosity as an expression of freedom. And there is no time limit set on how long you satisfy curiosity. The world simply answers a question that was not necessary, but only a curiosity. That is all.

Christ!



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Originally posted by justamomma

Please explain yourself rather than spewing forth the trash talk. I have not said that I agree with Simplysomeone on anything other than you are not christ.

I believe in one Savior only and that is my Father.

This is really all that Paul taught. That is why I say you are selling his used carpetbag of tricks. Using "ten thousand words", Paul taught that you are nOt Christ, I am nOt Christ, he is nOt Christ...none are Christ except perhaps Jesus. To this end, he never really stopped stoning Stephen, and the gospel of oneness. And teaching the gospel of separation, he made Jesus' gospel meaningless. In its place reigns confusion masquerading as "the gospel". You are just adding an innovative twist to what was never true.

You are teaching the law of separation.
Paul taught the law of separation.
Jesus taught the Law of Oneness.

To Paul, the law of separation was sweet salvation.
I am willing to explain this to anyone interested.

Christ!



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I think it is clear that simplynoone, grandma, johnmatrix, and clearskies have had experiences with God that has shaped their lives to serve Him. I have also had and continue to have Gods presence come so strong that it leaves me breathless and in awe. To try and tell us something that contradicts what God has revealed to us is futile, because man did not plant it there. Rather, the Holy Spirit led us and guided us into all truth, and you cannot shake that. I know the devil tries to steal the word that was sown in our hearts. I know that this lie that Paul was a false teacher is not from God because when I go to God in search of unadultrated truth, the teaching of Paul never contradicts God. God has shown me time and time again where I need correction, and He uses Pauls teaching as well.

You say that God is your saviour, correct. Jesus was the "logos"(spoken word) of God. He (the logos) came into the world He made, and the world did not recognize Him. Read 1john5:7 kjv. The Word(logos) a.k.a. Jesus and the Father are one. Jesus became the saviour of the world. He is your saviour, if you accept Him.

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BLEEP! WRONG!

He said that every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that *Jesus Christ* is LORD.

He said that Jesus is our righteousness.

He repeatedly said to put faith into Jesus and that the Law was of no effect.

He is a liar.

I say that every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that HE (G.D) is LORD.

I say that the Law is our righteousness.

I say that without KNOWLEGE, G.d's people will perish (Hosea 4:6)

Quit saying I am like Paul when you know damn well, I am nothing like Paul.

You are another one in which a fly-swatter would come in handy to handle!