Paul ~ Inventing a new saviour

The Jewish tradition of "The Messiah" has its foundation in numerous biblical references, and understands "The Messiah" to be a human being - without any overtone of deity or divinity - who will bring about certain changes in the world and fulfill certain criteria before he can be acknowledged as "The Messiah".


NOTE: NOT DEITY OR DIVINITY... one strike against Paul in your post!


To be a member of the tribe of Judah, the person must have a biological father who is a member of the tribe of Judah.


NOTE: NOT BORN OF A VIRGIN.. stike two against Paul!


The genealogy of the New Testament is inconsistent. While it gives two accounts of the genealogy of Joseph, it states clearly that he is not the biological father of Jesus. One of the genealogies is through Nathan and not Solomon altogether!


NOTE: CANNOT TRUST ALL OF NEW TESTAMENT! ... strike three against blindly believing Paul!


He must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel -"And he shall set up a banner for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth." (Isaiah 11:12)


NOTE: hmmmm... need I even go here?


Why are you arguing yourself now simplynoone?


[edit on 17-1-2009 by justamomma]

Originally posted by L.I.B.
reply to post by Christ!

 

Hi Christ!,

Thank you.

The true Creation of GoD is the Son of God. The Son of God is Christ. Christ is the "Kingdom of God". The Kingdom of God is "within" you because you are Christ.

Christ is hidden underneath a "bushel". The bushel is "the universe". The universe is a manifestation, a confusion...a darkness that covers the glory of Christ with its own grandiosity.

Yet, the universe contains those whom are awake as well as those who are asleep.

See, "the universe" if it were true and real, would symbolize Christ "dead"...Christ "crucified".

Why?

To be more exact, the universe contains those who are asleep, and those who are awakening. Those who are awake are not in the universe, because the universe is a dream in the mind of Christ.

Why is the universe a crucified/dead Christ?

The Kingdom of God is alive and life.
A dream of what is nOt the K of G is going to involve what is nOt of it.
Death is nOt of it, so that is involved in the dream.
The dream has also something it called "life" because the dream is a combination of attributes, as if to combine opposites.
The net effect of combining opposites results in all kinds of paradox and oxymoron.
So, for example, the son of man is "born to die".
The life of the son of man is not really life.
The death of the son of man is not really death.
You see the irony?

Further, the son of man is like a machine, as is the mind that makes it.
The son of man is like a robot running programs written since before time.
Time is finished, and yet, man keeps running like an energizer bunny.
His thoughts are not his own, rather, they are the machine's thoughts since before time, recorded, and playing out like scripts.
If you have ever had a 'deja vu' experience, you can understand how closely the son of man is matching the scripts written for him.
All of his steps are pre-scripted.

The pre-scription [ie. prophecy] since before time is the playing out of the crucifixion of the Son of God enparody. I'm not just talking about Jesus. In the universe, everything is attacking everything, and nothing lives but something dies. And everywhere in between are terror, pain, suffering, loss, lack, sickness and death. This is not a result of some crime of man. This is how the universe functions, how it is supposed to function, and it functions perfectly in this regard.

Science also tells us that it is a "closed system". Everything that can happen has already happened. Things like this. So there is an appearance of life, but really is kind of a "Stepford Wives" kind of existence.

So, existence in the universe/dream is like being in a tomb. This is symbolized by Jesus three days in the tomb to represent all of time.
Jesus said we would recieve the sign of Jonah. That is a reference to the universe like being in the belly of a whale. Jesus showed how to escape.l

Christ!

Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by Simplynoone
reply to post by justamomma

 

All right ...now you just stop right there ..Get off of Grandma ....She has known the Lord WAY longer and possibly better than I ever have ....She knows HIM TOO >..so dont even start attacking her ...Just because YOUR MAD AT ME >

And stop with the name calling ..IT IS very UNBECOMING of you ....or any GROWN WOMAN ...
go take a breather .......your starting to get very ugly ..........

Tsk Tsk! Way to show the typical hypocrisy that is so well associated with those of the Christian cult. Way to shine that Paul light bright! Lest you lie, shall I mosey on through the thread and pick out some of your lovely and kind words to badmedia and myself?

The innocent act isn't working as well as you think it is. Funny how you can't take what you dish out.

[edit on 17-1-2009 by justamomma]

Grandma is a sweet wonderful lady who has had her own experiences ..
She said nothing to get you to jump on her like you did ...
Your tone to her was uncalled for just because your mad at me .....
I am just saying do not take it out on everyone else ..
Direct it towards me ..the one who you have disdain for ...not them ..
Otherwise I am done ....I wont let you hurt their feelings because of me.

Originally posted by Simplynoone
Grandma is a sweet wonderful lady who has had her own experiences ..
She said nothing to get you to jump on her like you did ...
Your tone to her was uncalled for just because your mad at me .....
I am just saying do not take it out on everyone else ..
Direct it towards me ..the one who you have disdain for ...not them ..
Otherwise I am done ....I wont let you hurt their feelings because of me.

Hmmm... so are badmedia and myself. I did not jump on her.. I jumped on the condescending remark. As far as I am concerned, it could have been Jesus himself and I still would have said the same thing.

Of course, Jesus would not have said such a thing to me since I actually "hear" what he says rather than worshiping him as idol.

Get off the condescending horse. I am growing tired of the lack of evidence I asked for. Quit feeding me the hypocrisy and feed me what I asked for.


[edit on 17-1-2009 by justamomma]

Romans 3:

21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference

Can someone show me where G.d said in the Tanakh that His righteousness would be equated with faith in Jesus?


Romans 3
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Or where G.d said that faith without obedience to the Law would be set up?


Romans 3
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Or where G.d said that he would be allowing a man to establish a new law? (because it is a different law)

Even Jesus said to obey the Law and he NEVER said that a new law of faith would be established. So, where is Paul getting his authority that everyone just blindly believes him? You must have a reason, no?

Romans 4:
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Or where Jesus said anything remotely similar to this?


Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

Or where this is mentioned in the Tanakh?

For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Support for this?

And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.


Where did G.d say he would justify the heathen through faith?? Anyone?? At all??

oh.. that's right. I should just believe it because Paul says to?

I'm curious, how does a "christian" not realize they are a jew?

How does a christian not realize that christianity is the "new religion" spoken about?

I just read this thread:

Jewish Messiah will Be the Anti-Christ

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here's what the 2nd post in that thread says.

It is prophesied in Zachariah (I think- somewhere in the Old Testament) that two "shepherds" will come. Jesus was the first but they will reject Him (this happened) but another will come, the Antichrist, who the Jews (and world) will accept as a whole. Of course there will be dissenters at the time but for the most part, many will accept the "wicked shepherd" after rejecting the "good shepherd."

In the New Testament, Jesus again warned the unbelieving Jews of His time this would happen. He said although He was rejected, another will come that the people will accept. Not sure how this will play out but I think they will accept the Antichrist for a little while as their Messiah but after he breaks the peace treaty, many will open their eyes and see.

It is interesting to see exactly how many religions are looking for their "Messiah." Even Christian preterists expect the Second Coming to occur without any tribulation, Antichrist, and all the other "end time" events. The only people who know to reject this supposed person and wait for the "real thing" are Christians who see Biblical prophecy in the futurist sense. The resounding warning is to not be decieved when you see this individual.

2 shepards huh? The first is Jesus and the 2nd is the anti-christ. HMMMMM!!!!!!

So, is Paul not the 2nd shepard? Does Paul not actualy have more in the "bible" than Jesus? Is Christianity not the "new religion"?

Anyone who didn't go along with this "new religion" was killed. Sounds familiar doesn't it. Isn't this prophesied? And here we see the fulfillment.

Open your eyes already and realize that what you wait for has already happened. It's all right there in your bible, plain as day. But out of FEAR you do not question it.

You look at the prophecy and apply it to everyone else. You apply it to other religions, you apply it to anything and everything except your own.

Christianity IS the religion of Satan. And you can try to be the left hand and say how good you are. You can use words like grace, faith and so on ALL you want. But I see through you. I see the truth.

Go ahead and apply the prophecies to your own religion if you have the courage to do so. It is only because you accepted the 2nd Shepard that you can't see it.

Thanks for showing and proving this to me.

[edit on 18-1-2009 by badmedia]

Originally posted by justamomma

Where did G.d say he would justify the heathen through faith?? Anyone?? At all??

oh.. that's right. I should just believe it because Paul says to?

It's just that you are comparing apples and oranges. Some day you'll wake up and smell the coffee. Jesus has nothing to do with the idol you mention. Men trace their lineage back to that idol, so Jesus said: "Call no man father".

There is a world of difference between the *Our Father* of Jesus and the gOdfather of Hebrew lore. So its laws do not apply to the Son of God. To demonstrate that, the last thing Jesus did was to defy the law of gravity. That's like in Arab cultures to show the soles of your feet at someone. To leave the world in defiance of gravity is the same as to fly the birdie to the gOdfather of man.

That is why Christ transcends your gOdfather's laws. They simply don't apply. So, get over it already.

Christ!

reply to post by Christ!


Disagree, Jesus comes and fulfills the law and shows man how to actually follow them.

Although I do not see them as laws. Rather I think when you understand the truth and see the god that is in everyone, then you will automatically want to do what they say. They are only laws to those who can't see the truth and don't understand.

They aren't "laws" IMO because you don't have to follow them. But if you don't follow them, then you will not be allowed back into heaven, or be a part of a peaceful society.

It's not because it's a law that I don't go around killing people. Even if I could flat out get away with it and not suffer punishment I still wouldn't do it. These aren't laws for me, they are a way of being.

Also, Jesus does defy mans laws and traditions, but not the laws of the father. He isn't sin free simply because he is the son of god and incapable of sin, he is sin free because he does/follows the commandments the father gives him.

[He isn't sin free simply because he is the son of god and incapable of sin, he is sin free because he does/follows the commandments the father gives him.]


He was capable of sin ...the difference between him and us is that he did only the WILL OF THE FATHER ..(we seek our own will and pick and choose what we will do for the father) .he allowed the Spirit of God to fully indwell within him ....(which we do not we only give him the part of us that we decide he can have ) .....self meant nothing to him .(self (ego) is the most important thing to us (hence the saying of man .."God helps those who help themselves" could not be further from the truth because if man could actually really help himself and has no need of anything then he would not ever call on God because why would he need to if he could do it himself ?) ..Jesus did not seek his own will or his own way .(We spend a lifetime seeking our own will and our own way) ...Jesus sought only the will of the father ..(we spend a lifetime trying to be free of the will of the father because we are too selfish ) ....he lay down his own life for others .(we would barely lay down our life even for a loved family member let alone lay it down for an enemy ) ....Jesus lay down his life not for the righteous men but for the ungodly and sinners ..(which we would not do ).......................



[edit on 18-1-2009 by Simplynoone]

reply to post by badmedia

I'm curious, how does a "christian" not realize they are a jew?

How does a Christian not realize that we are living in the Last Days when the old rules do not apply and the gate has been opened to bring in the Nations into the fold and being of any particular ancestry becomes meaningless?

reply to post by badmedia

. . . because he does/follows the commandments the father gives him.

You can see this where Jesus left his family and stayed in the Temple to do his Father's work. He had a mission that superseded and went beyond the normal rule set that normally are followed by ordinary people. One day we will understand this and will throw down our crowns and worship a greatness that is presently beyond our comprehension.

The Tanakh is not something that just happened in the past. It is something that is happening now. *We* are *this.* It is the emptiness that you are feeling. It is the conspiracy that kept you all from seeing. It is everything that we were being led away from. Jeremiah 23.

Psalm 78 is for us.

I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old

This is our story and all else was the lie. We were told we were weak and not worthy. We were told we would never be anything but that and that would never be enough. We were told to worship an idol and we were turned away from our Father.

Badmedia and I are not trying to turn you away from G.d, we are trying to turn you toward Him.. toward the truth.

We are experiencing the fullness of our Father and we want you all to see who you are so that you no longer feel ashamed, but so that you feel the strength that He will give to you.

Repeatedly we have said.. test us! Search the Scriptures to see if what we say is true. Search the Scriptures and you will see the lie of Paul and christianity is in there.

The Old Testament is a false perception given to conceal who you really are and who you belong to. It is NOT old. How can something that is happening now be old?

Psalm 78 IS us! It is now! I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old.

The Orphan (listen to the words)

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by badmedia

 

I'm curious, how does a "christian" not realize they are a jew?

How does a Christian not realize that we are living in the Last Days when the old rules do not apply and the gate has been opened to bring in the Nations into the fold and being of any particular ancestry becomes meaningless?

This leads into what I have been thinking of posting.

Israel is, as defined by the bible: He said, "Your name shall no longer be Jacob, but Israel; for you have striven with God and with men and have prevailed." Genesis 32:28

To me, Israel consists of individuals from any and all nations and from any and all religions or not.

Those who have prevailed with their struggle with God have not yet, in my opinion, become a member of Israel. Only when these individuals have also prevailed with man can they be considered Israel.

To me, prevailing with man consists of what Peter said especially in verses 4 through 10:

1Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

2Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord;

3seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence.

4For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust.

5Now for this very reason also, applying all diligence, in your faith supply moral excellence, and in your moral excellence, knowledge,

6and in your knowledge, self-control, and in your self-control, perseverance, and in your perseverance, godliness,

7and in your godliness, brotherly kindness, and in your brotherly kindness, love.

8For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they render you neither useless nor unfruitful in the true knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9For he who lacks these qualities is blind or short-sighted, having forgotten his purification from his former sins.

10Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble;

11for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.


I believe that no matter what religion a person may hail from, that if they are searching for God, that Christ is right there helping that person come to know God.

After that, it is up to us to develop the Divine Virtues and by doing so we become a member of Israel by prevailing with man, which is both ourselves and others.

Prevailing against ourselves by not allowing ourselves to engage in improper behavior, such as unkindness, and other behavior opposite of what Peter laid out above.

Prevailing with others whom might be engaging in all sorts of unkindness and behaviors opposite of the Divine Virtues, occurs by not letting their attitudes reduce us to their behavior.

May all who will become Israel.

Originally posted by Christ!
It's just that you are comparing apples and oranges. Some day you'll wake up and smell the coffee. Jesus has nothing to do with the idol you mention. Men trace their lineage back to that idol, so Jesus said: "Call no man father".

There is a world of difference between the *Our Father* of Jesus and the gOdfather of Hebrew lore. So its laws do not apply to the Son of God. To demonstrate that, the last thing Jesus did was to defy the law of gravity. That's like in Arab cultures to show the soles of your feet at someone. To leave the world in defiance of gravity is the same as to fly the birdie to the gOdfather of man.

That is why Christ transcends your gOdfather's laws. They simply don't apply. So, get over it already.

Christ!

Well, there certainly is no mistaken that you are *not* a christ.

My Father is not a godfather type. That perception is coming from Paul, not from Him. He is GREAT LOVE. He is a Father. His laws are perfect and in them lies our salvation. The Word was our awakening to our salvation, not the end of the Laws.

The message of Paul drew you away from the path that led to the Father and the beauty of His Laws. You see death because you believe death. It is easier to cloak death and pretend that it is Life because you don't have to face what you don't want to face with death.

But I promise! When you experience Life, you will wonder why you ever settle for something vile.... What Paul offered was the leprosy.. What G.d offers is the cure. Paul offers death and G.d offers Life.

Since I found the salvation in the Law, I cannot be moved.

Psalm 37: 31
The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.

I LOVE HIm and His ways! I delight to know that I am of Him.

Psalm 40: 8
I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

I see the love of G.d in the chastisement of my Father. It is sweeter than the chastisement of my earthly father. It is sure and it is true.

Psalm 94: 12
Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;

I asked Him to show me the Truth no matter what! I was tired of not feeling sure about anything. And He did and it was worth every moment to get here.. I can't even express this physically.. I sit here and wonder why I am still on the outside because inside is something overflowing.. yet my flesh cannot express what I see and what I know.

Psalm 119: 29
Remove from me the way of lying: and grant me thy law graciously.

Psalm 119: 18
Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law.

When He opens His mouth to speak understanding to your heart, then you will find His laws are NOT a burden and you will reprove all those who say otherwise.. thus I speak against the lies of Paul. He did not want you to see who you are.

Psalm 119: 34
Give me understanding, and I shall keep thy law; yea, I shall observe it with my whole heart.



I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW you all can not even bother to TRY and see the truth. I see your path clearly and as you walk toward death, I am HORRIFIED! I am telling you.. You are not weak, His laws are Life, and You are of HIm!!!

Psalm 119: 53
Horror hath taken hold upon me because of the wicked that forsake thy law.

Originally posted by Christ!
To be more exact, the universe contains those who are asleep, and those who are awakening. Those who are awake are not in the universe, because the universe is a dream in the mind of Christ.

Why is the universe a crucified/dead Christ?

The Kingdom of God is alive and life.
A dream of what is nOt the K of G is going to involve what is nOt of it.
Death is nOt of it, so that is involved in the dream.
The dream has also something it called "life" because the dream is a combination of attributes, as if to combine opposites.
The net effect of combining opposites results in all kinds of paradox and oxymoron.
So, for example, the son of man is "born to die".
The life of the son of man is not really life.
The death of the son of man is not really death.
You see the irony?

Further, the son of man is like a machine, as is the mind that makes it.
The son of man is like a robot running programs written since before time.
Time is finished, and yet, man keeps running like an energizer bunny.
His thoughts are not his own, rather, they are the machine's thoughts since before time, recorded, and playing out like scripts.
If you have ever had a 'deja vu' experience, you can understand how closely the son of man is matching the scripts written for him.
All of his steps are pre-scripted.

The pre-scription [ie. prophecy] since before time is the playing out of the crucifixion of the Son of God enparody. I'm not just talking about Jesus. In the universe, everything is attacking everything, and nothing lives but something dies. And everywhere in between are terror, pain, suffering, loss, lack, sickness and death. This is not a result of some crime of man. This is how the universe functions, how it is supposed to function, and it functions perfectly in this regard.

Science also tells us that it is a "closed system". Everything that can happen has already happened. Things like this. So there is an appearance of life, but really is kind of a "Stepford Wives" kind of existence.

So, existence in the universe/dream is like being in a tomb. This is symbolized by Jesus three days in the tomb to represent all of time.
Jesus said we would recieve the sign of Jonah. That is a reference to the universe like being in the belly of a whale. Jesus showed how to escape.l

Christ!

Ahhh!! I see you have cooked up more servings of "confusion stew" for the feeble minded to eat up and be lead astray by your delusions.

I don't see how you could ever hope to have Children come unto you to receive the gift of eternal life when you serve up that crock of stew.

I trust that those who have Faith in the One True Christ are aware of what you are.

[edit on 18-1-2009 by John Matrix]

Originally posted by L.I.B.
Israel is, as defined by the bible: He said, "Your name shall no longer be Jacob, but Israel; for you have striven with God and with men and have prevailed." Genesis 32:28

To me, Israel consists of individuals from any and all nations and from any and all religions or not.

LIB, it doesn't matter what you think it consists of. The fact is, it is a physical thing as well.. you will know it is physical if you feel that something is not right or if you feel yourself wanting to buck up against what we are saying.

If that is you, then it is because He has initiated His promise to ignite His laws written on your heart and depending on where your heart was at that time, you will act out accordingly. Thus why Jesus said, Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

This is what is happening!! Were you watching? Were you praying (and He means PRAYING.. not the type of here and there prayers you were taught in church!)


It is physical and *that* is what makes it spiritual. Not all will give a second thought to what we are saying because not all are a part OF Him. This is the salvation of the lost sheep and He is calling us by our name to come out of the pastures we have been scattered in.

The salvation for the world comes but it is not how it is told of in the NT. That is the lie.

But right now is the time He is calling and gathering.

Deut 34: 6
And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.


Ecc 9: 12
For man also knoweth not his time: as the fishes that are taken in an evil net, and as the birds that are caught in the snare; so are the sons of men snared in an evil time, when it falleth suddenly upon them.


Matthew 11: 27
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

I am telling you!! The Son of man is here and that man of perdition has been revealed!!!

John 7: 27
Howbeit we know this man whence he is: but when Christ cometh, no man knoweth whence he is.

reply to post by badmedia


Actually badmedia, the more that I see, Jesus was a picture of the lost sheep of Israel. The ones who were scattered and mixed into the gene pools of the world. They died... You can not deny that He is raising us from out of the dead, no?

It was very clear in Isaiah that the messiah would be Israel in whom He would be glorified. The servant was clearly stated to be Israel. But man and their idol worship insisted it was ONE man. That was paganism.

Remember, He told Moses to pick up the serpent by the tail. The reason this was, was to seperate Him from the false magicians in the Pharoah's court. They could turn their staffs into snakes (because it was not real, but an illusion), but they could not pick them up by the tail and have them turn back into staffs. It is so no man would doubt.. which was His promise in the Tanakh about the end... NO MAN WILL DOUBT... why? because it will not be what they expect.

This is the raising of the messiah.. right now! It is exactly what He said so no man would doubt. They don't want to see what is written clearly because they believe the lie.

But G.d will say, I TOLD YOU CLEARLY! There is no one man returning except for the liar.

See, G.d will never leave us to question that it is Him working. It will be internal when He calls. That still small voice.. not the wind, fire, earthquake... but the still small voice.

Jesus the man was a picture of what happened and is happening.. just like the men in the tanakh. Psalm 78.

reply to post by justamomma

LIB, it doesn't matter what you think it consists of.

You are right.

It doesn't matter what I think, and the same holds true for you.

You say God has revealed himself to you. I don't doubt you, not one wit.

God has also revealed himself to me. At first you say you recognize me; then you start calling names and deriding everyone who doesn't agree with you and those very ones that you have been putting down have been one with the Spirit of God much longer than you.

Let the virtues/fruits shown by each of us determine who is actually closer to being within the will of God by the degree of compassionate wisdom displayed.

If I was searching for God and saw the behaviors of your heart reflected in your words combined with you saying that you are in God's love and peace, I would run to atheism wanting no part of such a god and his people knowing I could better love my neighbor as myself without such a god.

Originally posted by badmedia
reply to post by Christ!

 

Disagree, Jesus comes and fulfills the law and shows man how to actually follow them.

Also, Jesus does defy mans laws and traditions, but not the laws of the father. He isn't sin free simply because he is the son of god and incapable of sin, he is sin free because he does/follows the commandments the father gives him.

The Son of God is the law of GoD. He has never broken the law of GoD.
The idea that the law of GoD can be broken is the idea that gives rise to a false universe. That idea was considered and dismissed. The universe of the gOdfather is the expression of consideration. It appears that laws can be broken. No. Laws cannot be broken any more than a man can levitate. And if he levitates, it is according to laws that can't be broken. No law has ever been broken. If it was broken, it was not really a law.

As Christ, I am the law. And so I have never broken a law of my Father, nor have I broken a law of the gOdfather. So, I have fullfilled all laws, both of the gOdfather, and of my Father.

Christ!

reply to post by justamomma


I hope you don't mind, but I tried to U2U and the board was flooded!

I just started a new thread:Is God Cruel or Just Misunderstood? and thought that we could continue some of our discussion. I would love your thoughts!

MP