'Safest' seat remarks gets Muslim family kicked off plane

'Safest' seat remarks gets Muslim family kicked off plane

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A Muslim family removed from an airliner Thursday after passengers became concerned about their conversation say AirTran officials refused to rebook them, even after FBI investigators cleared them of wrongdoing.

Man says Muslim family taken off flight after discussion over safest place to sit
Atif Irfan claims FBI cleared family of wrongdoing, but AirTran wouldn't let them fly
AirTran says it acted properly, complied with all federal directives
Irfan says family owed an apology, may pursue a civil rights lawsuit

Atif Irfan said federal authorities removed eight members of his extended family and a friend after passengers heard them discussing the safest place to sit and misconstrued the nature of the conversation.

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Is that what America is coming too?
Stereotyping a generally peaceful religion?

This is reminiscent of the Red Scare and the negativity toward the Japanese during World War II. If only we could see past the skin. It was one thing to take his family off the plane and screen him and another to refuse him and his family a flight AFTER they had been specifically reviewed by the FBI. This is completely ridiculous.

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reply to post by soultorent

Hey, if your terrorists wear silver-thread short pants, turpentine rags around their ankles, shave their heads, and wear purple hats, then by God, it's common sense that you keep an eye on everyone who wears silver-thread short pants, wraps turpentine rags around their ankles, shaves their heads, and wears purple hats.

Probably staged to enable a lawsuit anyway.

Or, just good, common sense.

reply to post by dooper


The ignorant never blames the ignorant.

This is what happens when people are made to be paranoid. Their mind automatically accuses another of being guilty without any reason.

[edit on 2-1-2009 by DJMessiah]

Just in case any one wanted an answer to the situation that got this started, the safest place, the most survivable place in a plane is the back.

Well, let's see. I didn't see Christians flying planes into buildings.

I didn't see Sikhs flying planes into buildings.

Nor Wiccans, nor Taoists.

Muslims.

So who would I look to and be naturally suspicious?

This isn't all that hard to understand.

Who was the male adult in the Belway sniper team.

Oh. That's right John Muhammed.

But don't anyone worry about Muslims. They are a peaceful religion.

Until you turn on the TV or read the papers.

reply to post by dooper


Did all Muslims fly the planes into buildings?

You can attribute specific events to Islam, but categorizing all people into a single mindset is no different than what the prejudice do to categorize all people into the same stereotype.

What crime is this family guilt of?

So while we're on the topic of stereotyping, do tell us what your faith or race is, so we may see how innocent you have been, since by your mindset any act of violence caused by a specific race or religion is something that everyone in that race/religion caused.

[edit on 2-1-2009 by DJMessiah]

reply to post by soultorent


These interrogators are truly out of their minds. Who wants to sit in the most dangerous seats in the aircraft?! How could a desire for safety be translated into "you must want to kill someone if you are so fond of safety". That is just off the wall nuts these interrogators and passengers need mental help!

Originally posted by dooper


But don't anyone worry about Muslims. They are a peaceful religion.

Until you turn on the TV or read the papers.

See this I have to disagree with. I'm not one to post often but this imo is just being ignorant. Islam consists of roughly 20-21%(1.5 billion) of the worlds population. Now you have less than 1% of those people being problematic and you are going on and blaming 1/5 of the world and being paranoid about them. If the media reported every death & killing by the killers religion then I wonder who would be the bigger killer.

For example, A christian murdered someone today blah blah... nobody says that in real life, they only point fingers if the person is blatantly obvious. This is just a big scam/conspiracy for us to hate the middle east over nonsense.

Not even 1% are problematic, that would be 15 million, now maybe there could be 15 million muslim terrorists waiting to strike anything they can but I highly doubt that.

In my opinion the only reason they get singled out is because they are really dedicated to their religion. I mean you have to pray 5 times a day, the woman have to cover themselves, nothing like being catholic (raised catholic) where you just goto church for 1 hour a week, confess your sins every now and then and you're golden. So it's easier to single them out because of that.

Also the whole "until you turn on the TV or read the newspaper" shouldn't that be a warning flag. The media only reports what they want you to think.. I think there is much more meaning in this than just hating on muslims (their land obviously has some kind of value, maybe the religion is a threat to the PTB)

Just my thoughts.

Disclaimer: i'm atheist but open to everyone elses point of view.

Are you guys afraid to fly with a Japanese person?

I mean a few Muslims have done it 4 times and only on one occasion that I'm aware of... Those dirty Japs though they did it hundreds of times and are seasoned vets!

Originally posted by DJMessiah
reply to post by dooper

 

So while we're on the topic of stereotyping, do tell us what your faith or race is, so we may see how innocent you have been, since by your mindset any act of violence caused by a specific race or religion is something that everyone in that race/religion caused.

[edit on 2-1-2009 by DJMessiah]

Amen to that. My grandmother lives in Poland and was on her way to a nazi gas camp (even though she is a devout catholic) but that didn't stop anyone. Lucky for her (and me?) the allies somehow took over the train as it was going to the camp.

Now I know how the poor old White, Slave owning, Gun Toting, Master Mason cum KKK Lieutenant feels when someone spots his hat down at the gay bar.

reply to post by dooper


"Well, let's see. I didn't see Christians flying planes into buildings."

You didn't see Muslims flying planes into buildings either.

You just saw planes flying into buildings.

*and five dancing Israelis filming it happen.

Originally posted by soultorent


Is that what America is coming too?
Stereotyping a generally peaceful religion?

This is reminiscent of the Red Scare and the negativity toward the Japanese during World War II. If only we could see past the skin. It was one thing to take his family off the plane and screen him and another to refuse him and his family a flight AFTER they had been specifically reviewed by the FBI. This is completely ridiculous.

www.cnn.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

please a peaceful religion. i have seen the words of "mohammad" and they are not what you call "peaceful."

it is their airline, they can do what they want with it. people forget that not only do people have freedoms, companies have freedoms too. and one of those freedoms is to deny service to anyone for whatever reason.


this stereotyping was called for and will be allowed for a very long time. it makes me laugh when the 90 year old grand mothers are searched while the muslim in back of her walks right by without a problem. it isnt white catholics flying planes into buildings. its not black christians going on killing sprees in India. it is not chinese monks placing bombs onto trains in the UK. It is not anyone else except THESE PEOPLE. White catholics had their time in the spotlight of being evil, we call these times the crusades. welcome to a few thousand years ago.



[edit on 2-1-2009 by Swatman]

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"and one of those freedoms is to deny service to anyone for whatever reason. "

I remember those days, the signs:

*We don't serve Coloreds here

*No Coloreds allowed to use this fountain

*Coloreds Not Wanted

...Some time to be alive.

reply to post by dooper

Well I suppose you also think every Mexican is gona steal your rims, black guy take your TV, asian crash into your car? What a lovely blend of paranoia and bigotry.

sorry

[edit on 2-1-2009 by mazzroth]

Originally posted by dooper
Well, let's see. I didn't see Christians flying planes into buildings.

I didn't see Sikhs flying planes into buildings.

Nor Wiccans, nor Taoists.

Muslims.

So who would I look to and be naturally suspicious?

This isn't all that hard to understand.

Who was the male adult in the Belway sniper team.

Oh. That's right John Muhammed.

But don't anyone worry about Muslims. They are a peaceful religion.

Until you turn on the TV or read the papers.

You sure you weren't on that plane? lol

I've seen your other posts in other threads.
Your hatred for muslims is blinding you, your becoming bitter, your sounding like an extremist, you have no compassion for innocent people being wrongly judged.

If this was your family, how would you feel to be treated like this?

By the way here's a little fact for you. If terrorists were such a threat in the USA, then you would see terrorist attacks EVERY week.

They don't have to sneak onto a plane past all security, they can go to any restaurant, building, train, bus, any public place so easily.

Isn't that strange?

At the moment you should be WAY more worried about local crime. Your much more likely to fall down the stairs and die than get bombed to pieces by a terrorist.

For now I don't think you have to be so paranoid. At least not until you get more attacks.





[edit on 2-1-2009 by _Phoenix_]

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This is true, so far it has not been any muslim in america that I know of that's sent there loved ones down to the local corner market and blew themselves up in hope for more colateral damage in the name of Islam, until that happens I'd say your fear and paranoia are unfonded.

Maybe that energy can be better focused and used on fixing our own country so that stuff like this will not happen in the future. Being racist and singling people out are just not good for society as a whole as everyone has their uses and skills and in their own way contribuite to the lifestyle you live today. I feel that it also dosent matter what anyone says on here cause people just love siting behind their pc's in the safety of their ow homes and complain about what everyone else is doing anyway so why really bother?



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[edit on 2-1-2009 by 12m8keall2c]

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
By the way here's a little fact for you. If terrorists were such a threat in the USA, then you would see terrorist attacks EVERY week.

And here's the ugly truth about people who have been blinded by the media - if an attack occurs, they blame it on the Muslims, if no attack occurs, they say that it was because the Nation's security was doing an outstanding job.

People like that have been conditioned to never hold the goverment accountable for anything. This is why we have a goverment that does not police itself - because they can just sit there and do nothing at all and if an attack happens they can blame it on someone else, and if nothing happens they can say - "See we're doing our jobs just fine."