Cynthia McKinney Aboard Boat Headed for Gaza, Intercepted by Israeli Naval Force

Originally posted by tjeffersonsghost

Originally posted by FlyersFan
The people of America should start a multi-million-person march on DC.
We should demand that eveyrone in the world take a step back on this
issue and that we should all let those in the Middle East pound the stuff'n
out of each other without interference. We should all let them have at it
so that we can FINALLY have a 'winner' and this situation can be
resolved. (after thousands of years of this crap - can it be?)

I'm freak'n tired of it.

And this is where you and I agree. The US needs to quit policing the world. Not only is it morally wrong to push your will onto others we just dont have the money for it. We are bankrupt. We are heading right down the path of the Soviet Union. Bring all of our troops home and let the world fend for itself.

Heh...well I'm glad you guys aren't going to be running for office next election.

A little lesson on international relations:

America = Unipolar power (they're the big dog, and mind you, that's not something that's easily achieved)

How did America achieve unipolarity? Easy, they possess an unequal balance of power, namely their military might.

Why does America have their troops all over the globe policing the world? To protect the 'American way of life', the notion of capitalism in a liberal democratic society (or at least the illusion of it).

Letting the rest of the world 'fend for itself' would leave too many uncontrolled variables that would no doubt clash with America's best interests. Thus, they intervene.

Example: Iran having nuclear weapons. Fact: Iran is a country like any other...there's really no inherent reason they can't have nuclear weapon technologies and absolutely no reason why the US should be able to tell them what they can and can't do in this regard.

Truth: America's the biggest kid in the playground and the biggest kid doesn't tend to be a timid one. He's usually playing dodgeball or turning smaller kids upside down for their lunch money.

Why? It's easy and beneficial.

Now that I know that Cynthia McKinney was onboard I have to say that I wish that the Israelis had sunk it.

I live in Cynthia's old district and I am so happy that she is no longer in Congress. She was and is an embarassment to Georgia and to the United States.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Yes, people should. And perhaps those grass eating folks should rustle up a couple of slices of bread and slap one of those rockets their leaders are providing, instead of food, between said slices. Oh, those poor people in Gaza! got nothing to eat but semtex. They voted for it, they got it.

nenothtu out

reply to post by Harlequin


"boarding a ship in INTERNATIONAL WATERS is a breach of the Geneva Convention of the law of the seas (1958)"

The article clearly stated it was coastal waters. I'll refrain from the epithets and name-calling.

nenothtu out

Originally posted by nenothtu

The article clearly stated it was coastal waters.

Just why are the coastal waters of Gaza controlled by the Israeli ?

when the Palestinians & their government were herded into the Gaza Strip
it would be assumed that the beaches & coastal waters extending to
International waters of the Mediterranian were under the authority of their gov't.

but it seems that Israel unilaterally determined that the people of Gaza
were to be a landlocked island of authority, with no entry or egress
including any seaward landings.
IOW, the palestine people & their newly installed Hamas gov't only possessed the sand under their feet and the land beneath the shadow they cast at noon.

The Palestinian people have been seperately awarded the Palestine Maritime area where some $3-6Billion of gas fields lay.
So, i do not understand how the Israeli Navy has a universal control of the Gaza coastal waters...to deter shipped supplies or to aggressively shoot-across-the-bow of ships flying the Cyprus flag having intentions of bringing humanitarian supplies/aid to Gaza.

That, shipping blockade should be seen as an act of war, imho

Originally posted by pepsi78
Can't any of you admit that Israel broke international law for once?
Freaking robots man, it's like no one can compute with Israel wrong doing.

Can't any of you admit that the so-called 'Palestinians' broke international law for once? Freak'n robots man, it's like no one can compute with 'palestinians' wrong doing .. their continual rocket attacks upon unarmed Israeli civilians as well as their homicide bombers. Unrelentless.

If Israel deems it necessary to stop boats from bringing their shipments into Gaza - 'aid' boats that in the past have been nothing more than boats full of arms and ammo - and propaganda- then it's their right to self defense that allows them to stop these boats.

Those in the Gaza made their beds, now they get to lay in it.

Originally posted by DJMessiah
Why are they firing the rockets in the first place? .

Because THEY - the 'palestinians' want to expand their land rights into areas that they don't have. BTW - the Muslims went on a war against Israel and they LOST it. When you agress against someone and you don't win, then the winner has every right to take the land you once were on. Don't play war if you aren't willing to pay the price. Israel won. It's their land. They were very generous (and stupid) to give up the Gaza.

Originally posted by Ownification
everyone knew it was being delivered, everyone knew it was donated by cyprus. 'carrying 3.5 tons of medical supplies donated by Cyprus'.

Riiiiiiiight. Everyone knew, eh? Many, many times that a boat full of guns and ammo approaches the cockroaches in the Gaza it claims it is full of food and meds.

BTW - your 'everyone knew' is the key there. THIS IS A PUBLICITY STUNT. There are other avenues that legitimate supplies can take into the Gaza.

Originally posted by Symbiote
Israel is like the guy in school (you know the one I mean, "that guy") who provokes the smaller kids into fights and then tries to pretend he was acting in self defense.

Using that 'kids in school' picture - Israel is like that guy in school (you know the one I mean, "that guy") who is a brilliant nerd that gets picked on and picked on, putting up with it year after year. Then one day when the gang of bullies takes his lunch he finally reacts and flattens them with karate. He then eats his own lunch as well as theirs.... and the bullies whine and whine that the kid picked on them by eatting their lunches. The idiot principle (world opinion) swoops in, not knowing the situation or caring in the least, only sees the nerd eating the other kids lunch and demands the nerd give back the lunches - not realizing that the nerd has every right to eat the lunches of the bullies since they were spoils of war - won because the bullies tried to pick a fight with someone they couldn't beat.

Originally posted by masonwatcher
You talk in circles and completely nonsensically.

No. I state the truth. Deal with it and learn.

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How can a black person be racist against a Jew, let alone oppress them.

Are you implying that black people can't be racist? You have never heard the anti-jew rants coming from idiots like Louis Farrakhan or Jeremiah Wright? (both black men with some 'power' - that power being black followers) Where have you been?

Black people can definately be bigotted against Jews. Considering that McKinney was a politician in a position of power, then she definately had the opportunity to use her position in a racist manner. She absolutely used the opportunity her position provided to tell the world what she thought of 'crackers' (white people) as well as what she thought of those 'dirty jews'.

You zionist ...

Here's a clue - a zionist is someone who supports the establishment of a homeland state for Jews. Israel already exists. Therefore the term 'zionist' is defunct.

you are not even Semites.

You don't have to be a jew to see anti-jew bigotry.
You don't have to be black to see anti-black bigotry.
You don't have to be white to see anti-white bigotry
It's just all there for the non-biased person to see.

You ... You .. You ...

Hey buddy .. I"m not the subject of this thread. That whackadoo Cynthia McKinney and her publicity stunt 'humanitarian run' into Gaza is.


Edited to add - EGYPT FIRES UPON PALESTINIANS Lovely little thread for all the anti-jews to go and play in.

[edit on 12/31/2008 by FlyersFan]

reply to post by St Udio



maybe i'm focusing on a wrong facet of this complex problem...
but i'm sure that the Israeli Navy has no right to blockade or thwart
shipping off the Gaza coast whic is seperate from Israeli waters.


see the following site
www.inss.org.il...(FILE)1188134584.htm

Middle East Times

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Gaza gas talks with Israel, UK firm quietly ongoing
By Marian Houk
Middle East Times
Published June 28, 2007

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While some Palestinians have angrily said they are prepared to write off Gaza in the wake of Hamas' recent rout of Fatah forces there, cooler heads are pondering the implications concerning Gaza's maritime assets - in particular, the natural gas deposits off Gaza's Mediterranean coast.

At least one commercially-exploitable gas field, Gaza Marine, is located within a Palestinian maritime economic activity zone demarcated in 1994 by the Oslo Accords.

Negotiations quietly underway for months to agree on commercial arrangements to exploit and market Gaza Marine gas were reportedly progressing slowly toward completion, when Hamas took over the Gaza Strip almost two weeks ago. [...]

It seems that Hamas basically took over the Gaza Strip in '97...
and that action and the later coming to power as a government of Palestine in the Gaza...Israel's plans to take control of the Palestine Marine area were thwarted...

continued [...]
It is not clear when these Gaza offshore gas deposits were first discovered, or by whom.

Whether by great good luck, or by design, the 1994 "Gaza-Jericho first" Agreement negotiated under the Oslo process between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), demarcated a 32-kilometer (20-mile) maritime zone for Palestinian fishing and economic activities off Gaza's Mediterranean coastline.

One can see, that the PLO, then Palestinian Authority which was later evolved & replaced by a vote installing Hamas... but the treaty, @ Oslo & such are still in effect for Palestinians--- as long as they exist...
the Gaza (independent of Israeli waters) own a 32km Maritime Zone

Middle East Times, cont'd

At the time of Israel's "disengagement" from Gaza in September 2005, Israeli Brigadier General Michael Herzog was a visiting military fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. He wrote an article entitled, "A New Reality on the Egypt-Gaza Border (Part II): Analysis of the New Israel-Egypt Agreement," in which he explained that Israel continued to maintain control over all of Gaza's external security, including over its territorial waters. He also wrote that "in the agreed arrangements, Egypt gave de facto recognition to Israeli control of the sea off the Gaza coast."

In a subsequent telephone interview from his office in Washington, DC, Herzog said that while Palestinians weren't very happy with the arrangement, they had realized they would have to accept it.

the agreements are so twisted in International Courts, that Israel
takes over the Palestine Maritime area including the undeveloped natural
gas fields....

cont'd
[...]
At the time, Fatah official Mohammad Dahlan reportedly complained bitterly of a lack of Israeli coordination during the "disengagement."

Khatib said he wasn't aware of all the details, and that "the Israelis simply told the Palestinians what they had to accept."

The control of another's air or maritime space is, under international law, one of the criteria determining that that territory is occupied.

Another is the matter of "effective control." International law experts say the test for this criterion is not mere physical presence, but, rather, whether or not one party actually acts militarily against the other, at will.

A deal negotiated between two parties, when one of them is occupying the other, could be said to have been concluded under a state of coercion.

In addition, the exploitation of natural assets belonging to a people who have been prevented from exercising their right to self-determination, is also an important issue in contemporary international law.

which makes the current situation something like... starve out you enemy & when they struggle back, go ahead and bomb them out of existance...
then there are no longer any treaties to honor because there is no counter party

reply to post by ModernAcademia


The stories of the Palestinians eating grass are far fetched. This battle is not as one sided as many would like to believe. Why is Hamas not feeding the Palestinians who voted them in? They have money to buy rockets and mortars. The answer is simple, the Muslim religion embraces violence and death and their only defense is to attempt to appear to the world as victims.

McKinney is an idiot and this whole story has been blown out of proportion by the likes of CNN and other MSM outlets.

Bottom line.

The activists clearly stated that they would defy an Israeli blockade. They proceeded ILLEGALLY.

They were also warned via radio from the Israeli Naval ship not to proceed into a closed military area. They ignored this warning.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said the boat ignored an Israeli radio order to turn back early Tuesday. Palmor says the boat tried to outmaneuver an Israeli navy ship and crashed into it, which lightly damaged both vessels. The navy then escorted the boat out into the territorial waters of Cyprus.

www.jpost.com...

This is not the first time that they have encountered and defied the Israeli Navy. They knew what they were doing was illegal and wanted cheap publicity. This is from an article dated OCt. 29 2008

The Israeli Navy warned on Wednesday that it would deny the activists entry into the Gaza Strip. The SS dignity is carrying 27 unarmed civilians from some 13 countries as well as urgently needed medical supplies. The pro-Palestinian activists say that by breaking the Israeli embargo and entering Gaza they want to set an example for others to follow suit.

"The trip here is to show that obviously no one can stop us," said Australian activist Renee Bowyer.

www.presstv.ir...

They should consider themselves lucky that they were not sunk.

Don't defy a military vessel.





[edit on 31-12-2008 by jibeho]

Originally posted by tjeffersonsghost

Originally posted by FlyersFan
The people of America should start a multi-million-person march on DC.
We should demand that eveyrone in the world take a step back on this
issue and that we should all let those in the Middle East pound the stuff'n
out of each other without interference. We should all let them have at it
so that we can FINALLY have a 'winner' and this situation can be
resolved. (after thousands of years of this crap - can it be?)

I'm freak'n tired of it.

And this is where you and I agree. The US needs to quit policing the world. Not only is it morally wrong to push your will onto others we just dont have the money for it. We are bankrupt. We are heading right down the path of the Soviet Union. Bring all of our troops home and let the world fend for itself.

I seem to be agreeing more an more with isolationism. Unfortunately we are stuck to the tit of globalism after farming out so many manufacturing jobs. Return the jobs, produce more homegrown energy, farm our land again, and get back on the gold standard.

It wouldn't take long for someone to come begging for our help if we completely pulled back to the USA. I'm sick of this country being perceived as the tyrant. Let the true dictators have at it for awhile.

Originally posted by St Udio

Originally posted by nenothtu


That, shipping blockade should be seen as an act of war, imho

I think Israel has already claimed this would be war to the bitter end. Blocking supply routes would be a strategy in winning that war.

Originally posted by Amelie
I love that woman, I wish she was the president.

Can you imagine what she would do if she became president? All the dirt would be exposed, America would have a sudden outbreak of lynching parties. Shills, agents of foreign interests, crooked civil servants would be rounded up by the people and hanged high.

Alas such a new broom would never be allowed to run for high office.

The israeli navy cannot order anyone to `turn around` inside international waters - so the boat was totally correct to ignore them from a LEGAL stand point.

if the israeli navy tried that with say , a russian warship - we would have had a shooting match by now.

and i love the flaming by the zealot fanatic zionists here! someone tries to send a message that doesn`t agree with your agenda? and suddenly she is in the wrong - you know by sailing in the high sea and international waters.

edit spelling (again)

[edit on 31/12/08 by Harlequin]

Originally posted by Harlequin
The israeli navy cannot order anyone to `turn around` inside international waters - so the boat was totally correct to ignore them from a ELGAL stand point.

if the israeli navy tried that with say , a russian warship - we would have had a shooting match by now.

and i love the flaming by the zealot fanatic zionists here! someone tries to send a message that doesn`t agree with your agenda? and suddenly she is in the wrong - you know by sailing in the high sea and international waters.

The zionist have a habit of attacking ships on the high seas, remember the USS Liberty!

For those of you who are unfamiliar with Cynthia McKinney. Here is an article about her re-elction defeat.

www.adl.org...

Cynthia was one of the most racially bigoted members of Congress since Reconstruction. In the article and on live television, she lashed out at whites, Jews, Republicans, and "Uncle Toms".

For those of you who don't know Cynthia's former district is the largest single block of black voters in the Country. Her challenger Henry Johnson is black. Black women are the single largest voting block in the district. Republicans makeup only about 30 percent of the vote. This doesn't stop Ms. McKinney from blaming everyone but herself for her defeat. Hmmmm.

reply to post by Harlequin


Hate to burst your bubble but you are wrong.

Naval vessels from any nation can challenge any merchant vessel on the high seas if they suspect that the vessel is carrying illegal cargo or military materials for a rival.

The US, Russia, China, UK, etc. routinely challenge merchant vessels on the high seas, in international waters, and sometimes they even board the craft.

There is nothing shady here, the Israeli Navy can patrol those waters and can challenge.

Having Cynthia McKinney onboard was probably enough of a reason to board the craft if they wanted to.

For those of you who want proof of Cynthia stretching her 15 minutes of fame, the proof is on page 6.

Originally posted by masonwatcher
Can you imagine what she would do if she became president?

Yep.

The rape of whitey in the form of 'reparations'.

"Eight generations of African-Americans are still waiting to achieve their rights - compensation and restitution for the hundreds of years during which they were bought and sold on the market.” - Cynthia McKinney.

1 - No black people alive today were bought and sold on the slave market. Nor were their parents. Nor their grandparents. And for the most part their great grandparents and great great grandparents weren't either.

2 - Slave 'wealth' died during the Civil War. The very few slave owners lost most of their 'wealth' then.

3 - Many black people in this country did NOT have ancestors owned by Americans 200 years ago, but they did have ancestors owned by BLACKS here in the USA and in Africa. Africa STILL has slavery - blacks owning black people to this day

4 - Many, many Americans did NOT have ancestors living in the USA during the time of slavery. MOST Americans did not have slave holding ancestors. Many Americans had ancestors who fought against slavery in the Civil War and many of us had ancestors who died fighting slavery.

5 - She wants a free handout to people with black skin then she can shove her empty hand towards AFRICA where the people who live there had ancestors who made out very well in the slave trades.

It would be just fine and dandy to call white people 'crackers' since McKinney did so on her official website .

And from McKinneys daddy - "Jews — that's J-E-W-S." -- Democratic state representative Bill McKinney on why his daughter Cynthia lost in 2002

There is the 5,000 dead BS she spewed. Bizzare behavior for a potential POTUS.

Her associations with anti-white, anti-jew Farrkhan are legendary.

So yes, I can well imagine what she'd do as POTUS. It would either be comical or frightening ... depending on how much alcohol a person would have had to drink on that particular day.

Originally posted by masonwatcher

Originally posted by Amelie
I love that woman, I wish she was the president.

Can you imagine what she would do if she became president? All the dirt would be exposed, America would have a sudden outbreak of lynching parties. Shills, agents of foreign interests, crooked civil servants would be rounded up by the people and hanged high.

Alas such a new broom would never be allowed to run for high office.

WOW. I can't believe any logical person would have someone like her as the President. I'm almost speechless. Even her own district realized what a bad choice they had made. Just another person that got into office by promising to give more handouts to a certain portion of the electorate.

Not many people get elected under the motto, "Get off your ass".