Cynthia McKinney Aboard Boat Headed for Gaza, Intercepted by Israeli Naval Force

Here's an idea, radio them and tell them who you are, allow them to board you and right now the Gaza strip would have supplies. This logic shows it was not about the people but the headline.

Common sense states you do not take on the Israeli Navy? Maybe they were mistaken for pirates....

Look, they should have been prepared to take on water or abandon ship if they are not going to radio the Israelis during wartime.

 


In that case the pirates are the Israeli navy, boarding a ship by force on the high seas is piracy. Why do think people say 'permission to come on board?' when at sea? Is Israel exempt from the rules of the sea too?



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reply to post by esdad71


I suppose they could have done that, but they were probaby thinking that the pesky Convention on the Law of the Sea would protect them.

One side behaved stupidly and the other behaved recklessly.

Originally posted by Duzey
reply to post by esdad71

 

I suppose they could have done that, but they were probaby thinking that the pesky Convention on the Law of the Sea would protect them.

One side behaved stupidly and the other behaved recklessly.

Maybe reckless, but a what point in international waters would one be considered reckless when dealing with Israeli matters in a peaceful none threatening way?

reply to post by FlyersFan

Riiiiiiiight. Everyone knew, eh? Many, many times that a boat full of guns and ammo approaches the cockroaches in the Gaza it claims it is full of food and meds.

BTW - your 'everyone knew' is the key there. THIS IS A PUBLICITY STUNT. There are other avenues that legitimate supplies can take into the Gaza.

Riiiiiight. Mosad is an unintel organization, eh? This is not a movie the ship was stocked in open waters, it wasn't hidden in secret location by Islamic terrorists who were planning to send Jihadists to GAZA. This is not a fantasy. Cyprus donated that load of meds and somehow one of the worlds best intel organization didn't know that cyprus donated tons of meds which was comming towards GAZA.

Israel doesn't like this the American aboard the ship from the research I have done, she is probably one of the minority individuals in America who actually has some sympathy for the ever needy aboriginals of that region. They have portrayed her as mentally ill in the minds of most Americans and I see why. My first time learning about this individual and it's very interesting.

If Mosad was so unintel as you portray them to be, Israel wouldn't exist.

reply to post by Ownification



Well, look at it this way. Even if Israel knew that the ship had been stocked with medicine in Cyprus, what's to say they weren't re-stocked with arms after they left port?

And I can think of no better way to guarantee getting intercepted than by announcing you were going to set course directly for Gaza during this week. In fact, that would be exactly what you would do if you were planning a publicity stunt.

reply to post by jsobecky


"what's to say they weren't re-stocked with arms after they left port? "

Reality says so.

That boat won't be going anywhere for a while. It was rammed three times and is in serious need of repair.

"after they left port?"

Oh really - when did they leave?

reply to post by Exuberant1


I'm talking about when they left Cyprus, and were on the high seas.

This is common sense. International waters or not, you should communicate with other ships for safety reasons if nothing else. Like I said, why did they not simply state who they were, allow a boarding party and deliver the goods? Because that would not make news sensation for CNN. Bottom line.

Give me ONE reason why they should not have answered the other ship?

All mentioning the USS Liberty, wasn't that in the 1970's or something?

Edit: It was infact in 1967, If this is such a major concern shouldn't you consider American pilots shot at and killed members of a British convoy.

Not sour grapes, merely pointing towards the fact that mistakes do and will happen.

I cannot help but strongly imagine this scenario...


Israeli ship attempts to identify the un-identified ship.

Un-identified ship doesn't respond. (meanwhile, members on the un-identified ship purposely refuse to respond in with an ignorant opinion of, 'If they attack they are breaking the Geneva Convention rulings'.)

Israeli ship actually operates by there own wartime ruling and believe the must halt the ship in question.

Idiotic greenpeace member who so often gets the approach wayward pay the price.


Gullible people.....




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Originally posted by MrAnonUK
All mentioning the USS Liberty, wasn't that in the 1970's or something?

Edit: It was infact in 1967, If this is such a major concern shouldn't you consider American pilots shot at and killed members of a British convoy.

Not sour grapes, merely pointing towards the fact that mistakes do and will happen.

I cannot help but strongly imagine this scenario...


Israeli ship attempts to identify the un-identified ship.

Un-identified ship doesn't respond. (meanwhile, members on the un-identified ship purposely refuse to respond in with an ignorant opinion of, 'If they attack they are breaking the Geneva Convention rulings'.)

Israeli ship actually operates by there own wartime ruling and believe the must halt the ship in question.

Idiotic greenpeace member who so often gets the approach wayward pay the price.


Gullible people.....




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What are on about mate. You're just producing mental seepage. The USS Liberty was in International waters with the American flag visible in clear daylight. The Israeli aircraft had their markings covered and the incident was before the 67 Israeli strike on Egypt. It was a false operation that Israel wanted to use to bounce the US into war.

I don't recall the US destroying British convoys in WW2 because they sent them to Britain stuffed with goods for the war effort themselves. The US navy escorted them to the half way point and did a hand over with the British navy.

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reply to post by masonwatcher


I think he was refering to Gulf War One, in which an American A-10 fired upon members of a British Recon Team. Several members of the team were killed, including their commander.

reply to post by masonwatcher


The poster above was correct I was referring to the Gulf conflict. Thank you for educating me a little, but I cannot say thanks for the manner in which you chose to do so.



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Originally posted by MrAnonUK
reply to post by masonwatcher

 

The poster above was correct I was referring to the Gulf conflict. Thank you for educating me a little, but I cannot say thanks for the manner in which you chose to do so.

My apologies. I get carried away but that's not an excuse.

reply to post by masonwatcher


No harm done mate.

Originally posted by tjeffersonsghost


Israel attacking boats in international waters huh? McKinney was going there to deliver medical aid to the Palestinians. No weapons just aid and last I checked in war your allowed to have your people attended to am I not right? Its stuff like this that make me wonder if Israel is not going for extermination instead of just wanting to get rid of Hamas.

www.foxnews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

Attacking? Sounds more like a blockade was being enforced.

Originally posted by mikellmikell
Hammas bit the hand that fed them and now they pay the price.

mikell

Ummm... no they didn't! They bit the hand that stops them feeding their children with inhuman blockades. Don't get me started on how many Palestinian children have died due to a lack of medical supplies and equipment due to the Israeli's.

I can only imagine if another country was doing this to Israel themselves, they'd be crying "HOLOCAUST" again. Sickening really!

IRM

Originally posted by Harlequin

Originally posted by xbranscombex
Who cares WHO was on the boat..
EACH SHIP MUST BE CHECKED!!

They probably didn't respond to broadcast and kept sailing and didn't stop.
of course.

Dummies.

boarding a ship in INTERNATIONAL WATERS is a breach of the Geneva Convention of the law of the seas (1958)

dummy

Wrong.

en.wikipedia.org...

"The International Ship and Port Facility Security (ISPS) Code is an amendment to the Safety of Life at Sea (SOLAS) Convention (1974/1988) on minimium security arrangements for ships, ports and government agencies. Having come into force in 2004, it prescribes responsibilities to governments, shipping companies, shipboard personnel, and port/facility personnel to "detect security threats and take preventative measures against security incidents affecting ships or port facilities used in international trade."[1]... "

After the attacks of September 11th, 2001 and the bombing of the French oil tanker Limburg, the International Maritime Commission enacted an international code which REQUIRES inspection of ships at sea, even in international waters, before they can enter ports, depending on security requirements at each individual port.

Since the ports at Gaza are now in a war zone, the most restrictive measures the Israelis could conceive of in the way of high seas inspection of inbound shipping are fully covered by international law.

Dummy.

Originally posted by InfaRedMan

Originally posted by mikellmikell
Hammas bit the hand that fed them and now they pay the price.

mikell

Ummm... no they didn't! They bit the hand that stops them feeding their children with inhuman blockades. Don't get me started on how many Palestinian children have died due to a lack of medical supplies and equipment due to the Israeli's.

I can only imagine if another country was doing this to Israel themselves, they'd be crying "HOLOCAUST" again. Sickening really!

IRM

Bull%^&^

HAMAS launches rockets into neighboring country. Neighboring country complains to Palestinian Authority, who shrugs and says they can't do anything about the situation. Neighboring country steps in to sort the problem out.

Now if those rockets had been fired into Egypt instead of Israel, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The world's press would be scratching their heads over why HAMAS had chosen the novel method of suicide of attacking Egypt and giving them a legitimate excuse to invade, and the UN would be silent - as would the detractors of Israel.

As for dumbwench McKinney, she should be investigated for potentially violating the US Neutrality Act - as have Americans both Arab and Jewish who have gone to the Middle East over the years to join in the fun. Her presence on the "Dignity" (if there were a Truth in Ship Naming Act, it would have been christened the "Gullibility") was obviously a ruse to prevent a thorough inspection of the ship for weapons as required by international law depending on security conditions at the port of destination. She is obviously serving as a party to the conflict if she thinks her mere presence on board exempts the vessel on which she travels from maritime inspection in time of war.

edit: it just occurs to me that Graham Greene foresaw this sort of thing happening in his novel The Comedians (which was made into a movie) in which the Vegetarian Party candidate for President of the United States visits Haiti to look into buying land for a Vegetarian Center in Port au Prince, when his wife uses the full power and majesty of her role as Wife of a US Presidential Candidate to keep a hotel owner from getting beaten up by a Ton Ton Macoute (look it up).

The Palestinians just brought the wrong party's candidate to the party, that's all. :-)

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Originally posted by InfaRedMan

Originally posted by mikellmikell
Hammas bit the hand that fed them and now they pay the price.

mikell

Ummm... no they didn't! They bit the hand that stops them feeding their children with inhuman blockades. Don't get me started on how many Palestinian children have died due to a lack of medical supplies and equipment due to the Israeli's.

I can only imagine if another country was doing this to Israel themselves, they'd be crying "HOLOCAUST" again. Sickening really!

IRM

Make sure you mention Egypt when it comes to closing borders. Goods and services can flow through that border. Look at the previous pictures on here showing stocked shelves.

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