Whats going on at yellowstone?

This is STILL going on? *face-palm*


How about this:

Trip3. You obviously feel strongly about what it is you are sharing. I think it is safe to say, that perhaps this thread is not the place for it. It has been explained numerous times that we have emphasized throughout the life of this thread that it is kept to the FACTS at hand. I will hazard a guess that this is why you have come under fire. This thread was born out of fear that was spread by some during the last swarm....due to the lack of basing things on FACTS.

I understand you feel that what you are saying may be true....but it can NOT be proven by FACTS, so I personally do not think this debate needs to continue to destroy this much honored thread. Might I suggest, that if you feel you still want or need to share this info here at ATS, that you do it on a thread of your own? It is not my place to kick anyone off here, and that is not my goal. Only to keep the original spirit of this thread alive.

Thank you.

Originally posted by lasertaglover

Originally posted by Trip3
reply to post by Lil Drummerboy

 

I'm pretty certain I've answered what I could, in a manner that was accurate.

Unless you've got some question you feel needs addressing, why would you make a vague reference to such?

You might be a really nice person and all, and your points are at least interesting. I do not mean this in an offensive manner at all, but I am very much missing the quality of this thread, and it really does seem like all that you do is spew personal opinion without backing it up with data. And I agree with the other poster, I have no need to go line by line and challenge you. Just support what you are saying with some data.

There have been many arguments in this thread before, but both sides usually have supporting facts that they show. I don't post here myself, but I read through here often. Been avoiding it lately, Puterman presents data, you don't. Argue back and forth. Puterman presents data again. Argue back and forth. And while I do respect his work, I am not a card-carrying member of his fan club, so I am not defending him. Rather, I am defending this thread. Please let it go.

With respect, the conversion of a portion of a seismic line to an audio file, when the software doesn't recognize the scale, by his own admission, and the only recognized signature is a "noise" he himself cannot identify, to compare to an un-offered audio file, not converted by the same means , comparing unlike stations -- does not constitute "data" in any reasonable sense.

At best, it amounts do applying different processes to different things, and pronouncing "see! different!". Overall, it would not serve as any sort of "proof", which was the claim.


ETA: What is the 'spirit of this thread"? I assumed it was inquiry into the status of YS, and what events there represent.

reply to post by huntergatherer


Hi I just want to offer these links ..very interesting happenings lately at Yellowstone...there are others also...

Yellowstone shaking seismos

Almost every seismograms show somekind activity.


theinterveners.org...


aslwww.cr.usgs.gov...

aslwww.cr.usgs.gov...


earthquake.usgs.gov...

www.iris.edu...

earthquake.usgs.gov...

earthquake.usgs.gov...

Having really only recent interest in this subject matter this thread has been interesting. What I wish is Trip would have left out the secret government source stuff has it has been the source of the bickering, IMO. THe question I would like to see the answer to is what exactly are the unusual signals. Really no one has given a clear answer to this. This I find strange in that a database should be able to give a clear answer to an expert. What has been presented is what it is not and several possibilities of explanations.

One of the really interesting topics to me is the uplift in the Sour Dome/ north yellowstone lake area. It seems to me that the USGS is very quick to declare that one the uplift is over and two that that because it stopped that is a good thing. Looking at the GPS data I see no evidence that the uplift can be reasonably declared over. IMO there is not enough data points to say it is over and not just a pulse in the lift. Also if the chamber is actually deflating I don't see how they can declare that all is clear. The falling of the crust can in fact help create the crack that leads to the depressurization of the magma chamber. I really do not understand why the sat thermal images are not available?

reply to post by standrewscross


We can see Here the most pronounced uplift/deformation in the park. We are not going threw pronounced deformation - we are kinda of in a holding pattern so to speak.

Still want to know what is the cause of the spike drop toward the end of the year

Originally posted by PuterMan

For goodness sake, I thought you were a geologist.

What that represents is where the system has used a quake of indeterminate depth default. USGS uses defaults of 2, 10 and 35 miles. Not sure how it is determined which one is used but in a batch of many quakes one would expect to see a line at one of these depths. One would have assumed that a geologist would know that.

edit on 3/3/2011 by PuterMan because: (no reason given)

From - To


01/01/03 - 03/04/11 Depth: 2.0 miles = 6 total quakes

01/01/03 - 03/04/11 Depth: 3.20 Miles (2 Kilometers) = 8 total quake

01/01/03 - 03/04/11 total quakes: 17,179

Depth (Miles)
2.10 = 6 quakes
2.20 = 10 quakes
2.21 = 0 quakes
2.22 = 0 quakes
2.23 = 8 quakes
2.25 = 3 quakes
2.26 = 0 quakes
2.27 = 0 quakes
2.28 = 11 quakes
2.29 = 0 quakes
2.30 = 24 quakes
2.31 = 0 quakes
2.32 = 0 quakes
2.33 = 7 quakes
2.34 = 0 quakes
2.35 = 0 quakes
2.40 = 0 quakes
2.50 = 0 quakes
2.60 = 0 quakes
3.00 = 0 quakes
3.10 = 10 quakes
3.20 = 8 quakes


This obviously isn't a thorough study because the range at each depth is ± .001 miles, as has been indicated, however baring any other explanation ...

... I'm inclined to believe that the horizontal line visible only beneath the previous caldera footprint is from something other than assigning quakes to a default depth of 2 miles, perhaps a physical disconformity.

A mapping to a depth of ~4-5 miles, with an expanded scale, might show something quite interesting.

I've been avoiding this thread for the last 10 pages or so as has become a ****fight.

Trip, Puterman, Roald and those others concerned, would you PLEASE either stop baiting each other or keep your comments to yourself or to u2u's.

I'd really like to see this thread get back on track, as would many others.

As AnnMarie said, does anyone have any information on what caused that spike drop.....theories are fine, something to back it up is better.

reply to post by zenius


I agree. I would love to talk about what's happening in and around the park. But there's nothing out of the ordinary. Of course the park is still majestic, and the bison have made news, but there very little new to talk about. And in the 600+ pages, we've covered almost every issues, several times.

This is the only new thing I could find concerning geology in the area. And it isn't in the park.

billingsgazette.com...

I wish to clarify the point that has been grabbed up by someone as negating my evidence as it is of particular relevance to whether we see HT or not.

It is true that I did say that the software "does not recognise the scale" however that person has taken this to mean that the software does not work and this simply is not the case. Maybe in hind sight the term I used was perhaps unfortunate.

As I explained the software is expecting files that have a much higher range of Hz and the scale text starts at 1 kHz, i.e. 1000 Hz. The file of the microseisms is well under that. It is a shortcoming of the DISPLAY of the software that it cannot show the scale text for such a low Hertz value file but this is NOT an indicator that the file cannot be processed which is what has been erroneously assumed.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/cc0cabcd386b.png[/atsimg]

You can see 5 tick marks on the side, but you cannot see the scale text marker as it is off the top of the screen and there is no method of changing the screen dimensions to incorporate the scale marker.

On the following screen shot of the analysis of HT at Mt St Helens you can see the scale text marker

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4ceab6a532f3.png[/atsimg]

The reason for this is that the file is at 50 times speed so the HT that appears gliding between 800Hz and 600Hz is actually gliding between 16Hz and 12Hz. Note the 'harmonic' above it from 1600Hz gliding to 1200Hz (32Hz to 24Hz at real speed). This is a true indicator of Harmonic tremor and is the way that seismologists determine if HT is present. Additionally FFT will separate the 'harmonics'

On the top screen which relates to Yellowstone the display is of the raw data thus the values are so low that they really do not display other than as a pixel line at the bottom. This is a display limitation and not a program limitation. To suggest otherwise is to also suggest that all the seismograms are invalid as they to not accurately display the frequencies as the screen resolution does not permit it. They are, like this, a representation.

The possible spike which I said I had not identified is shown here.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/55cff0c2cc0e.png[/atsimg]

I believed it to be a telemetry spike like the rest of them and I had identified which mark on the seismo that I believed it to be however, since I had not done the calculations to see where the audio file related to the original waveform I said it was unidentified. This person then decided that this meant it was 'noise' introduced by the program.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b4281cde3c27.png[/atsimg]

Note the time on the left is MST. This was at 08:05 approx UTC. Having now done the calculation I can say that the spike is indeed this telemetry 'pop'.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5c0a7b165ed0.png[/atsimg]

The calculated time of around 08:05 UTC matches the spike exactly.

The suggestion that an audio program or a frequency analyser would introduce random noise is laughable. A program that did that would not last in the big wide world for many minutes I assure you.

Finally I have speeded up the YSB file to 50x, the same as the St Helens. Now you can see the scale text. It is also plain to see that there is NO harmonic tremor (compare to the St Helens file) and that the microseisms are still such low frequency that even at this scale they do not get off the bottom line.



This makes complete sense since if we assume that they are about 0.02Hz to 0.05Hz then even at 50x that is only 1Hz to 2+Hz and the first tick mark is 100Hz.

I'm as guitly as anyone here. I confess. It was a crime of passion.
All the evidence has made the truth apparent. I pledge to focus on Yellowstone and only Yellowstone.
I know many of you are displeased. And I don't disagree with your sentiment.

But if your country, or village, or family was attacked, you want a soldier to protect you.
My actions were ugly. At times I went too far. But it was neccessary to stand and repel the offence.
I must fight for the truth. The truth has prevailed. Let's tend to the wounds and heal.

The only argument that seems to hold any weight for me is the deformation. I really hope there is a general subsidence, and soon.

[snip]

Originally posted by TrueAmerican

Like I have to ask? The evidence does not support his claims of HT at YSB whatsoever. Not in any way, shape or form.

What evidence is that? What specific evidence are you considering as a HT? You do realize that the "Harmonics" of that "harmonic tremor" occur in a narrow parameter range, in an overall signature involving (non-harmonic) volcanic tremors, correct? I've not addressed any sort of evidence because all the nonsense and histrionics going on in this thread.

[snip]

I have a friend just within the 200 miles by direct shot from Yellowstone. In the last 6 months his irrigation well has become artesian and risen a couple points in pH.

I have another friend in Colorado who was out shopping yesterday, and an off-hand comment about what she was buying, led to an conversation back and forth between herself and the other person. That other person brought up Yellowstone. What he knew wasn't from any online forum or blog, but from people he knows personally who are involved with Yellowstone, but in a whole different way. I got another contact yesterday from an engineer in the environmental industry, also in Colorado, and he knew through his own contacts in that industry, what's going on in Yellowstone.

I'm not "the problem" here, and I'm not the problem for the government, I didn't create this problem, and they know it., and I'm not spreading any sort of false rumor. Them sitting on this is a bit like, well, trying to sit on the biggest volcano in the world. This is what happens when people don't subscribe to the government's dictatorial takeover of the scientific process and squelching of the Right to Know. People still talk, and they are still going to do so despite our having lost a great many of our freedoms, the past few years.

And I'm STILL not saying that the geologists know its going to explode, nor if they did, that they'd know it was going to be any sort of 'super eruption'.

Btw you still don't get the lack of ethic evident in repeatedly linking from one forum to another, redirecting traffic, especially where they have to join, to view it, do you? You are that forum founder that started that thread there, aren't you?





Mod edit: off-topic posts removed.

It's been unusually quiet at Yellowstone for a number of months. I am trying to plan a trip out this Spring or Fall. Can any of our member here tell me what is the best time for colors in Yellowstone. I like Spring Flowers but Love Fall Foliage. (not sure if most of the trees there are evergreens or not).

You're damn straight I'm mad. I'm mad for that poor guy and his family you just threw for a loop over nothing. NOTHING. The difference is that some of us who really do have the best interests of the public at heart happen to also be able to answer with some degree of certainty, backed by comparison of evidence- that this rumor is 100% false.

I'm mad for the years that several of us at this forum have invested in studying Yellowstone, knowing the plots, knowing where stuff happens, knowing a lot of things about that park. If there were ht happening at YSB, either puterman or me would not need to consult the YVO to know this, along with a few others. We can see it. We have reference signatures. Our findings independently confirm there is no such thing happening at YSB, or anywhere else in the park that we can see. And in addition to that, we DID consult with the YVO, just in case. They basically laughed.

I don't care about anything else regarding this. YOU started all this crap. And WE finished it. You're lying. End of story.

Originally posted by Anmarie96
It's been unusually quiet at Yellowstone for a number of months. I am trying to plan a trip out this Spring or Fall. Can any of our member here tell me what is the best time for colors in Yellowstone. I like Spring Flowers but Love Fall Foliage. (not sure if most of the trees there are evergreens or not).

Well i would say that anytime is good in Yellowstone,.
If you recall I was there this summer/fall and it was beautiful,. mostly evergreens,. I have been wanting to go there in early spring when mammoth springs in in mid thaw.. dont forget the video and plenty of memory stick for the camera..
if you have time stop at Devils Tower, but I guess that depends on which way you are driving from

I live about 5 hours away from Yellowstone. I've never been there, so the hubby and I are thinking about going up there next weekend to check it out. The weather is always a factor in Wyoming, but hopefully it won't be too yucky. I'm going to spend the next couple of days checking out the park maps and trying to figure out what roads and areas might not be maintained this time of year. Is there anything anyone wants me to check out while I'm there? If it's possible, I really want to try to locate a couple of the seismos just to see what their locations look like. Can't wait to see up close everything I've been reading about for so long! Two weeks or so ago, I wouldn't have been caught dead in Yellowstone Park for fear it was going to blow up in the next few days. I was so anxious I was actually starting to think about getting out of Wyoming, but I'm feeling muuuuch better about Yellowstone over the past week.