Whats going on at yellowstone?

I have also heard that Obama recently signed an agreement with the Canadians allowing Canadian troops to be deployed in the US in response to some undefined emergency.....If this baby's gonna blow, the PTB may feel that we're gonna need all the help we can get for relief & rescue work, control of refugees and suppressing civil disorder etc...

Originally posted by Otis B Driftood
Trip3, I've heard from a source I trust that "something is up at Yellowstone" and that the Govt is censuring data...Something called a "double coupled signature " was allegedly detected and is somehow cause for alarm....Could you tell me what a "double coupled signature" is & why it's significant..Also I'd like to read your postings on that other forum..Could you say what forum it is???? Thanks..

I'm not familiar with that phrasing in any geologic or volcanic text or paper.

It seems somewhat redundant in structure, in emphasis of both "double" and "coupled".

One would imagine such a reference would be accompanied by direct indication of the two event signatures, and how they are mechanically coupled. Do you have anything further from that reference?


ETA: Regarding that "link", I would be in disregard of this forum in directing people elsewhere. Some have posted references to that site in this thread, having found it on their own. There have also been one or two persons confirming that what I indicated about the time-line there, and events at Yellowstone, was accurate.

Regarding current weather conditions at Yellowstone, conditions seem to be fairly calm:


Weather Underground Yellowstone "WunderMap":
www.wunderground.com...

I'm what you call geologically challenged...So the way it was explained to me is that "double coupled signatures" only occur when rock slides on rock in the absence of fluids indicating that the EQ in question can not be hydrothermal in nature...The vertical nature of these EQs, which are apparently occurring over no known faultlines, may indicate "chimneys" opening up under great pressure with "hydraulic fracturing" occurring along their entire lengths..These fractures may then be filling with gas & magma.....However,I've looked at the seismo readings in question and while the squiggly lookin "harmonic tremors" are much in evidence, I don;t recall seeing many EQs.....So maybe my source is full of XXXX.....I kind of hope so....

Facts and information about double couple

A seismic wave pattern, consisting of four lobes (for P-waves) and four lobes (for S-waves) of alternate compression and dilation, which is generated by movement along two fault planes at right angles to each other.

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Originally posted by Otis B Driftood
I'm what you call geologically challenged...So the way it was explained to me is that "double coupled signatures" only occur when rock slides on rock in the absence of fluids indicating that the EQ in question can not be hydrothermal in nature...The vertical nature of these EQs, which are apparently occurring over no known faultlines, may indicate "chimneys" opening up under great pressure with "hydraulic fracturing" occurring along their entire lengths..These fractures may then be filling with gas & magma.....However,I've looked at the seismo readings in question and while the squiggly lookin "harmonic tremors" are much in evidence, I don;t recall seeing many EQs.....So maybe my source is full of XXXX.....I kind of hope so....

I would agree with the "chimneys' opening up, though I probably wouldn't phrase it that way, and didn't get to that conclusion by the apparent means of this poster.

I would agree that the signatures represent conduits, faults and fractures, filling with gas and magma, and this movement would not immediately tie those "squigglies" with an expectation of quakes.

I recently viewed that BBC docudrama "Supervolcano" on YOUTUBE....In it, they discover that one vent or "chimney" opening up somehow triggers other vents to open which leads to an "unzipping" of the entire caldera...Given the widely dispersed locations of the vents which seem to be becoming active now, if an unzipping of a new caldera occurrs it might be much larger then the current caldera which is some 50 by 30 miles across...This would seem to indicate that this possibly imminent eruption may well be on the scale of the Huckelberry Ridge eruption......Do volcanologists now feel, as implied in the docudrama, that the opening of a single vent would lead to the unzipping of the entire caldera???If so, then how to explain the 300? or so minor eruptions that I believe you stated, have also occurred at Yellowstone....If you've had three supereruptions amidst 300 minor eruptions then the odds of this apparently forthcoming eruption being "super" are merely 1 in 100...right??.....So Don't worry be happy????What say you??

Originally posted by Otis B Driftood
I recently viewed that BBC docudrama "Supervolcano" on YOUTUBE....In it, they discover that one vent or "chimney" opening up somehow triggers other vents to open which leads to an "unzipping" of the entire caldera...Given the widely dispersed locations of the vents which seem to be becoming active now, if an unzipping of a new caldera occurrs it might be much larger then the current caldera which is some 50 by 30 miles across...This would seem to indicate that this possibly imminent eruption may well be on the scale of the Huckelberry Ridge eruption......Do volcanologists now feel, as implied in the docudrama, that the opening of a single vent would lead to the unzipping of the entire caldera???If so, then how to explain the 300? or so minor eruptions that I believe you stated, have also occurred at Yellowstone....If you've had three supereruptions amidst 300 minor eruptions then the odds of this apparently forthcoming eruption being "super" are merely 1 in 100...right??.....So Don't worry be happy????What say you??

A part of the reason for my alarm was the evidence through quake mapping, that there are 3 or 4 areas of instability as indicated by quakes concentrated in particular areas, to depth. Two of these areas extend well beyond the existing caldera footprint, far west into Montana. By rough estimation, such an expansion would appear to outline a proto-caldera surface area be excess of the Lava Creek eruption, the last major eruption.

One important factor that distinguishes a super eruption from those 300 lesser eruptions, is the level of silica melt in the eruptable magma chamber, which is another aspect of what they were gaging with the seismic refraction work, in addition to mapping. I'd love to hear that the level of melt is considerably lower than 50%, but so far I've not heard any specific reference. One would think that if there was some positive news such as that, that it would be made public to discourage concerns, yet nothing. However, "absent evidence" is not compelling evidence at all.

In the spirit and the interests of science, may I present:


That image is the same moment, from five seismometers around the world, all showing the same 0.1 to 0.2 Hz signal. (I didn't include any from Arkansas or Yellowstone, but they've got the same thing.) Here's where they are:

BKZ - Black Stump Farm, -39.1675, 176.4922, southern middle of N. island, NZ
RPZ - Rata Peaks, -43.7174, 171.0540, middle of S. island, NZ
OUZ - Omahuta, -35.2214, 173.5961, far north tip of N. island, NZ
AKGG - Akutan Green Grass, 54.1988, -165.9916, Akutan Island, AK (middle of the Aleutians)
SPCG - Spurr Capps Glacier, 61.2919, -152.0205, 70 mi W of Anchorage, AK (on Mt. Spurr)

Now, see the "Counts" axis? It's up into the thousands on all of them. That's some pretty serious wiggle. If this is really representing actual physical movement, and it's happening everywhere, then - well, the ISS is the place to be now. It's so widespread that the chance of it being signal interference is really really low. It'd take an ELF radio wave powerful enough to permeate the entire planet (still a possibility; that darn Navy). The ocean? I doubt it. I can still find several seismos that don't show it at all, even in Yellowstone. My only guesses at this point are ELF communications, or a precursor to some fairly nasty shaking.

But what could we do about either one? If we knew the world was about to end, if actual scientists came out and said "Okay, this is it, worldwide harmonic tremors, we're all headed into the magma, good night," what would you do? Loot and pillage, or spend whatever time's left with friends and loved ones? Maybe try something you've always wanted to do? Maybe watch the skies for UFOs in a rescuing mood? Sure, why not? If you're already falling, try to grow wings, but until then, you're not falling, so don't act like you are. We don't know when the fall will start, but we do know we'd be powerless to stop it. We can only live our lives, and try not to drive each other crazy in the meantime. This is one boat we're all in; it might be leaking, but doesn't take a lot of people rocking it to imbalance and capsize it, and then we'd be doomed and wet instead of just doomed, and a lot sooner. Wouldn't that be silly?

Maybe if we ignore that signal, it'll just go away...

Well, they're not exactly all over the world, but are concentrated in New Zealand and Alaska, both on the Pacific Ring of fire and both areas of high volcanic activity.....It's quite possible that volcanoes in both those areas are acting up..We've seen eruptions in Alaska recently and a massive EQ in New Zealand...Any volcanos which erupt there are NOT supervolcanos...Show me such seismo signatures from Tambora or the Deccan Traps and I'll take notice...

Since Yellowstone is a very wet place, wouldn't a major concern be water infiltrating the caldera?. Say an earthquake opens a fissure at the bottom of Yellowstone Lake. and that water leaks downward throught the fractures. Wouldn't that introduction of water to the caldera cause an explosive reaction.
Just curious

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Excellent. Now this is what I am talking about.

Otis..I think the point was that it IS pretty much all over the world right now and they just provided a couple of examples. I can tell you that I just personally looked at the same sig in Yellowstone and Arkansas. What is it?

Trip3...my previous post was in no way meant to be derogatroy. Just the opposite.

ETA: I would also just like to say that I have been looking at seismos for years. I have seen similar signals before but never so pronounced. This is what got my attention last month with Yellowstone. Again, this is different than HT, but in my opinion I don't think we can say it is normal.

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Water is quite frequently the trigger for an eruption. I think that's what set off St. Helens. And there is a rather large supply of water in Yellowstone, should a crack ever let it and the magma chamber meet. Yep, that'd set it off all right. I think Robin's done a few video demonstrations of it. When water flashes into steam, the pressure builds just unbelieveably enormously. (Look into the steam cannon the mythbusters built once; shot a 20-pound iron ball a mile, if I recall). It actually isn't all that uncommon, though; things called "hydrothermal explosions" happen from water going into steam without actually contacting magma. That's what causes Old Faithful. And look how friendly it is. So it'd only be a catastrophe if the lake fell into the magma chamber. Five miles of rock probably couldn't stop a full-scale eruption then. Just one of the fun things always on our minds...

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I've been making a list of oddly-placed seismograms that show it. Some are so faint you have to squint to see it, some are more obvious. Some strong ones...

TRIS, Tristan da Cunha, -37.0682, -12.3152, middle of the S. Atlantic
PMSA, Palmer Station, -64.7742, -64.0490, Antarctica (due S. of Argentina)
SFJD, Sondre Stromfjord 2, 66.9960, -50.6215, Greenland

Some weak ones...

BJT, Baijiatuan, 40.0183, 116.1679, Beijing, China
San Pablo de los Montes, 39.5458, -4.3483, Castilla-La Mancha, Spain

PS: keep in mind, these are really low-quality seismograms, with a much narrower X-axis than usual.

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Found a "Double Couple" reference in this link. I have not had time to investigate it, but it looks like a term that is used in waveform analysis. books.google.com... hl=en&ei=DgBrTZn9EcnKgQeeipHLCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CD4Q6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

Any reason you guys are discussing the background noise floors of seismometer outputs? *Scratches head* Because that's exactly what that chart is... 1,000 nm/s= 1 micron/s. And for background noise, that displacement would be one of the quieter stations. Many of these broadband stations have a good bit higher noise floor than that- watching many of them in GEE right now. Seen them as high as 12 microns/s, but often at 8, more common 2 to 4.

Man! I better not dare show a screenshot of an 8 micron/s background noise station, or they're going to claim they're seeing MEGA tremors, and 15 mag quakes splitting the earth apart and we're all going to die - forget the harmonic tremors.

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That is background noise? How'd it get so noisy? Why is it so regular? Background noise is, I thought, supposed to look rather random. If that's what it is, the entire planet is humming with it...

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EDIT: wait a minute. I think I owe you an apology. Sorry. I've been out of this for a while, and I may have got that reversed. I have to check something.

The fat lady still sang though on the harmonic tremors regardless. That much I am sure of.

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Have you by chance seen the thread about the iceland activity going on right now? It is quite intense. I mention it, because as I was looking around the planet at different seismos I had the thought that it seemed stronger up that way, before I knew of the action going on.

Here is my thought; (Hopefully I am not too far off topic, since I am still discussing something possibly showing in the yellowstone area) If Iceland is fed by a huge mantle plume...if there were enough movement within that plume, could it not show up on seismos around the world to some degree?

This is just me thinking out loud again...feel free to tell me I am silly, I can take it.

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Make of it what you will. This is about 30 minutes at 10 x speed. Best with bass down and treble up. The scratching sounds appear to match the thicker parts of the wave but I could be wrong. It may be a larger overall wave riding on the smaller signature. This starts at 08:00 UTC 27th

www.4shared.com...

Forgot to say this has nothing done to it except amplification. No band pass, nothing.


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