Whats going on at yellowstone?

reply to post by PuterMan


Sorry. But you are comparing apples to giant oranges. This vast period of time is not applicable. Everything was different. The plants, animals and continents. Noteably that there was only one. Pangaea. The earth itself was different. Different oceans and currents. There were periods of massive vulcanism. And there was extreme swings in the climate and several extinction events. One of the biggest ever, some 364 mya. The oceans were deprieved of oxygen. Much of the earth's warmth at that time was derieved from volcanoes. Today's plants have evolved benefit in the current mix of oxygen and CO2. Change=Change. The earth today is not the earth of 300 million years ago. There were no flowering plants. No bees. No birds. It was a land of giant ferns and swamps. Giant dragonflys. Stop.

Plants in a greenhouse boosted by CO2 grow faster. Farmers also need to fertilize massively and use tons of chemicals to control pests and diseases. Water, light, temperature, and nutrient levels all have to be kept at an optimum or the whole system is inbalance and open to pathogens. It is a completely artificial enviroment and not applicable.
Sorry

Given no man-induced defoliation of the planet, increased CO2 levels would result in plants thriving and, eventually, increased O2 levels in the atmosphere which, in turn, would result in larger fauna. Insects are used as an example because of the way they absorb oxygen into their bodies is directly from the air through pores in their skin. It's a pretty inefficient way of absorbtion and distribution which is why they are generally so small. This is something that would be offset to a degree by proportionally larger O2 lvls in the atmosphere.

The problem with volcanic events is not the CO2 that is produced but the massive amounts of SO2 that, when it reaches the upper atmosphere, turns to an aerosol that is very effective at blocking sunlight which lowers surface temperature. This is bad enough for plants but then, eventually, the SO2 falls back to earth as acid rain doing additional damage while they're still trying to recover.

One large volcanic event can alter the climate of the earth pretty much instantly for years. Pinatubo did it in 1991, Krakatoa in 1883 and Possibly Caused the Dark Ages. The article is fascinating and, at the same time, pretty disturbing as it indicates the magma chamber under the Sunda Straits is massive and, as is well known, the volcano there is regrowing.

[edit on 24-12-2009 by Necrosis]

for the 2012 satisfaction...some vei 8 and 7 data ...

Lake Taupo, North Island, New Zealand - Oruanui eruption ~26,500 years ago (~1,170 km³) was a vei8


Laacher See, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany - ~12,900 years ago (~300 km³), was a vei7

Kikai Caldera, Ryukyu Islands, Japan - ~6,300 years ago (~ 4,300 BCE) (150 km³) also a vei 7

so an full presession a half and a quart on row.......

en.wikipedia.org...



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this i thought was kinda cool

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We all know I'm a kook. I've been diagnosed with a mental illness so it's official. It has caused me immense suffering. But one benefit is that it allows me massive lattitude in my thinking. I don't have to conform.

Things to note during the coming month. On New Year's Eve 2009, it will be a full moon. A blue moon to be specific. A few hours later on Jan. 1 2010, the moon will be at perigee, nearing it's closet point. Does the moon have an effect on earthquakes? I'll post a study that suggests so. It comes from researchers studying the San Andreas fault. Does the moon have an effect on Yellowstone? Maybe. It's this thread's anniversary. It was a year ago, and at that time, the moon was in Apogee on Dec. 26 2008, when the swarm started. On Dec 12th, the moon was at it's closest perigee and the moon was full. A similiar situation like we'll have as we ring in the New Year, as we dance with the blue moon. But that's not the same situation as the swarm last winter. It was when there was a new moon as the earth was at furthest apogee, following a full moon at maximum perigee. So if there is any effect to be seen in the future, it will take place around Jan 15- 17 2010. Or I'm just a kook.

What's happening at Yellowstone? It's been very quiet since a minor swarm a month or so ago. It seems to me that there is some very minor activity near the lake. Yellowstone is finally getting new monitoring.

www.ktvb.com...

And thanks Gary for the article about the moon and sun. Although I've told you that you shouldn't get me started. I don't know where to stop. The Sun, the Moon, the Earth, the Plates, the Water, the Magma and the Faults, they're all connected and cannot be understood in isolation. Every one a link in a chain of events. Least that's the way I see it.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Sorry, I was too late to add this to last post. Here's what a small force can do when it sets off a chain reaction.

www.youtube.com...

6.4 just off California. Will that rattle Yellowstone? They say no tsunami warning but that does seem reasonably big and I would have will have some effect.

reply to post by PuterMan


More then likely no because its not near any of the known lava tunnels that spread out from yellowstone.

It was actually very northern CA, there is a small chance with any of these decent quakes that they set off a large slip that causes a chain reaction.

So, in about a week, we could see major earthquakes? We already got a good sized 6 pointer already.

reply to post by Supernatural


You are just as probable to see one today as next week or 2 weeks from now or at least the probability is very close.

The sky isn't falling, unless you get hit on the head by it. Then it is definitely probably falling.


My point, don't freak out or worry about it. Just prepare as you should always be for any major disaster.

reply to post by PuterMan


Read some other interesting theories in similar threads, thought it was necessary to point it out.

Most recent discussion about earthquake predictions with the recent quake off of the California shore...

I would love to hear somebody elaborate on this

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Just by the way it's worth keeping a watch on Yellowstone as well. Not for THE "big one" that might occur again there one day, but for any flurries/swarms of smaller quakes. There are theories that Y'stone's activity is influenced by the Juan de's subduction.

[edit on 10-1-2010 by xX aFTeRm4Th Xx]

Hey everybody, it's mister off-topic.

I went over the entire Yellowstone thread again (some may notice the incredible increase in stars in their profile) but i just wanted to give big respect to some of the more consistent posters on here.

first up: Shirakawa and alysha.angel

And ofcourse:

spinkyboo
dodadoom
PuterMan
Mushussu
Moshpet
JustMike
Hx3_1963
MischeviousElf
xoxo stacie
geogeek
Robin Marks
whoshotJR
VX-7R
lernmore

I just wanted to let you all know that i have much respect for the consistancy with which you have build this thread and i still enjoy reading this thread every day.....thanks!!

Ohh and Puterman, we ofcourse will expect a revised version when we hit the 500 mark...

Originally posted by PuterMan
Congtatulations to everyone who gets there.

Award: 1 Badge

That's all. I am off to hand out a couple more stars left and right throughout this thread...

Peace

Edit because i forgot Hx3_1963 and MischeviousElf, how could i? Sorry about that!!


[edit on 10/1/2010 by operation mindcrime]

Originally posted by operation mindcrime
Hey everybody, it's mister off-topic.

I went over the entire Yellowstone thread again (some may notice the incredible increase in stars in their profile) but i just wanted to give big respect to some of the more consistent posters on here.

first up: Shirakawa and alysha.angel

And ofcourse:

spinkyboo
dodadoom
PuterMan
Mushussu
Moshpet
JustMike
xoxo stacie
geogeek
Robin Marks
whoshotJR
VX-7R
lernmore

I just wanted to let you all know that i have much respect for the consistancy with which you have build this thread and i still enjoy reading this thread every day.....thanks!!

Ohh and Puterman, we ofcourse will expect a revised version when we hit the 500 mark...

Originally posted by PuterMan
Congtatulations to everyone who gets there.

Award: 1 Badge

That's all. I am off to hand out a couple more stars left and right throughout this thread...

Peace

[edit on 10/1/2010 by operation mindcrime]

awe i feel very honored . thank you tons .


now back to the bussiness at hand has anyone here seen these yet , i know the big blue are the p waves from our wonderfull 6.5 off of cali but the black ones are quakes , just to you know .


www.isthisthingon.org...

www.times-standard.com...

earthquake.usgs.gov...

Haven't the Haitians suffered enough.

But does this quake and the other big one off California mean anything? Do they related to activity at Yellowstone, or not?

Earthquakes in Alaska have been proven to change geyer activity at Yellowstone is accepted science. I'm certain something is taking place deep in the ground. Just look at the moment under Old Faithful. Maybe you more expert watchers can tell me if it's different at Old Faithful compared to the other stations. Or is it just set up differently?

There has been a few big quakes over last month or so. Volcaones threathing to pop and then abating. Almost like energy trying to find a release. First it was the Austrailian Plate causing all the action, and now it's the action seems to have sifted to the west.

I've already said that I think the weekend of the 15th - 17th may an active time in the park. I think there may be a swarm. It seems like a molten flow is looking for a way out. I actually hope I'm wrong again.

An earthquake in Haiti will be devastating. They've cut down all their trees which could led to landslides. The building are poorly contructed and will collapse easily. This is really bad news. I hope it's not as bad as I fear.

The big one was bad enough but it has been followed by 20 aftershocks between 4.5 and 5.4 magnitude.

aslwww.cr.usgs.gov...
(Yes, I'm still here and have read the entire thread since it's inception but just don't post much.)

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Isn't this near Yellowstone??

Magnitude 3.9
Date-Time

* Wednesday, January 13, 2010 at 11:17:55 UTC
* Wednesday, January 13, 2010 at 04:17:55 AM at epicenter

Location 47.431°N, 113.174°W
Depth 20.8 km (12.9 miles)
Region WESTERN MONTANA
Distances

* 37 km (23 miles) NE (37°) from Seeley Lake, MT
* 46 km (29 miles) N (357°) from Ovando, MT
* 59 km (37 miles) W (264°) from Augusta, MT
* 319 km (198 miles) E (93°) from Spokane, WA
* 688 km (427 miles) E (88°) from Seattle, WA

Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 0.7 km (0.4 miles); depth +/- 1.4 km (0.9 miles)
Parameters NST= 21, Nph= 21, Dmin=32 km, Rmss=0.17 sec, Gp=176°,
M-type=duration magnitude (Md), Version=1

Anybody pick it up?

Peace

reply to post by operation mindcrime


Noticed this too and came to see what people thought on it. I'm not in USA but this eq was not too far off from yellowstone was it? although a 3.9 wouldnt shake too much up would it? One day i swear i shall read this thread start to finish. I just hope the dream i had Monday night about YS finally blowing doesnt happen in our lifetime at least!

reply to post by bkaust


I really...really....really hope that you do not have some sort of history with dreams and them coming true!!

I thought the same as you. Usually the people on this thread are pretty quick to respond with actual data from the different stations in the region. Since i am also not from that part of the world i can only guess the quiet here on ATS is due to it being in the middle of the night in the U.S.

I do really appreciate your input in the different threads on ATS regarding the latest in earthquake activity. (believe, i read 'm all)

Peace

reply to post by operation mindcrime


I don't want to go off topic, but thanks I'm a massive fan of Fragile Earth forum and i'm really trying to learn a bit more and try and input as much as i can, thats valuable anyways For what it's worth, i enjoy reading your posts too, we tend to be posting on the same topics quite often lately!

I've only had one dream that seemed like it was true, was a tsunami one, before the solomon Is quake in 07 (This one), I was running from the wave and woke up and turned the tv on in bed to find an alert issued for the whole east coast of QLD aust too. (was really freaked to be honest!) But i doubt this is anything, i've just been lurking the forum too much, and i'm pregnant so my dreams are crazy vivid at the moment!

Oh well, i guess we shall wait for them all to wake up and tell us what's what!