Whats going on at yellowstone?

From USGS: Earthquake Lights

Observations of earthquake lights (EQL), mostly white to bluish flashes or glows lasting several seconds associated with moderate to large earthquakes, have been reported infrequently by observers since ancient times. It wasn't until the phenomenon was captured in photographs, taken during the Matsushiro earthquake swarm in Japan between 1965 and 1967, that the seismological community acknowledged their occurrence. A satisfactory theory to explain EQL, however, has been elusive and is still not agreed upon. Proposed mechanisms include piezoelectricity, frictional heating, exoelectron emissions, sonoluminescence, phosphine gas emissions, and fluid injection (electrokinetics), but the most recent theory suggests that EQL are caused by separation of positive hole charge carriers that turn rocks momentarily into p-type semiconductors (first and second references below).

While EQL sightings are often given more exotic labels, they are a recognized geophysical phenomenon that may one day contribute to the possibility of forecasting earthquakes in the few locations where they occur.

USGS

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reply to post by pantangele


so IF these clouds are unique (& actually exist ?) , what is physics behind it ?? Electric field sweeping up dust particles ?, or collecting cloud forming (nucleation sites ) particles .. radon radiation tracks forming cloud nucleation sites ??? sounds far fetched to me ....



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reply to post by VX-7R


I'm fairly sure that that is the tectonic 'ringing' that accompanied the Indonesia quakes. I'd need the list of quakes from that time, but I'm nearly 98% certain that is what they are.

Yeah, it freaked me out too when I saw it and didn't know what it was.
Since then I have learned to recognize that 'wave form'.
M.

reply to post by Moshpet


Bet all this ringin' is causin' mass hair migration up in YS Techy Land...as in from their head to the floor...

On clouds pointing towards quakes:

I'm part Lakota part everything else, lol. So I can buy into the concept of 'everything is connected.'

While clouds could indicate a pattern, there isn't enough data saying with a 98% surety they do. Also given the the frequency of quakes in YS, there would be those clouds 24/7....

I'd like more hard data in my paranoia please

(Note I'm not saying that they can't be precursors, I'd just like certainty.)

M.

Dang...time to start a What's going on above Yellowstone? Thread


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Originally posted by manotick

In his paper with Darrell Harrington, they state that an "approach that has recently shown great promise is satellite imaging of strange non-meteorological cloud formations and their correlation with earthquakes."

I've seen some of their photos of "strange non-meteorological cloud formations". They seem to have a very limited grasp of meteorology. Long thin clouds are formed by a variety of well known meteorological phenomenon (including mountains).

reply to post by LoneInDarkness


Ireport wrote a totally horrible article. They are absolutely unreliable on this. It is too bad.

reply to post by Moshpet

So what's yer system fer sortin' out what's ringin' now and what's real? The long drawn out wave forms are from ringin' while sharp concise ones are true?

reply to post by quakewatcher


It seems that when chemtrails are laid down the weather to the east is severe the next day or so. Flooding, ice storms, unusually high winds, etc. Just an observation after much research and sky watching. Common sense really. Combine them with HAARP action and the picture takes shape. Sad but true.

I've been reading from the start. Thanks to all of you for your efforts and minds.
: )

reply to post by Hx3_1963


Examples of teleisisms:

www.ldeo.columbia.edu...

Contrast the above long looking forms with the abrupt ones that are local quakes. For example, the one occurring at 3:11 UTC on this chart:

www.seis.utah.edu...

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reply to post by VX-7R


I already had Vase 2.8, but when I first tried it I could not get it to work, possibly because LKWY was down. I now have a MINISEED file, and several SAC_ASCII files which look a lot easier to deal with if I can work out what each column is. Do you do VB for a living or interest. .NET? or 6

reply to post by Moshpet


its definitely Irian Jaya ( see my previous posts ) , the theoretical travel time is about 14.5 minutes to Yellowstone , the earthquake occurred @ 19:43:54 UTC , add 14:30 to it , U get about 19:58:25 .. well U can see the start of the earthquake at just about that time on YNR: (within seconds of prediction ..)

Theoretical travel times for earthquake ,thanks to a previous poster:
neic.usgs.gov...

www.isthisthingon.org...

Originally posted by Hx3_1963
reply to post by Moshpet

 

So what's yer system fer sortin' out what's ringin' now and what's real? The long drawn out wave forms are from ringin' while sharp concise ones are true?

Ok once I learned to think of that wave form as coming from a distant source, when ever I see that 'relatively clean' pattern; I immediately look at the UTC time and break it down into minutes as to when it started.

My next step is either jot it down or open another window and pull up 'quake list' in Google search. Then I clicky the 'Seven Days' list when it comes up.

With the time in hand/in in my head I look for events prior to that 'ring'.

PR (Puerto Rico) has an approximate travel time of 5 minutes.
Indonesia has a travel time of about 15+. Also really big quake will ring 'around the earth' so it seems like they 'go on and on.'

Alaska is less than 5 minutes 2-3 more or less travel time.

CA under a minute.

Other distances I really have to guesstimate.

I am of the belief that if there is a 'Harmonic Wave' at Yellowstone that it would look like hundreds of Mag 1-2 (or higher) packed so densely; it'd look like someone took a 4inch wide marker to the webicorders and made it all one color.

On Gee I think it would look like the ringing but only after you stretched it way out or magnified the snot out of it. Amplitude would make it stand out even more so.

Even then the line would likely look like someone pumped in outside signals into the scope making it still seem thick.

I hope that helps or clarifies how I look at the webi's.

M.





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Originally posted by geogeek
reply to post by pantangele

 

so IF these clouds are unique (& actually exist ?) , what is physics behind it ?? Electric field sweeping up dust particles ?, or collecting cloud forming (nucleation sites ) particles .. radon radiation tracks forming cloud nucleation sites ??? sounds far fetched to me ....



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underground water percolates into the crevices. Its expansion, contraction, friction and chemistry further reduce the cohesion. Friction heats the water and eventually generates vapor at high temperature and high pressure. The vapor erupts from an impending hypocenter to the surface through the crevices, and rises up. It forms an “Earthquake Cloud” on encountering cold air, or dissipates part of a cloud to form a cloudless space, denoted Geothermal Eruption or “Geoeruption”. The both have two basic properties: sudden appearance with heat and pressure, and a fixed vapor source in the ground, by which they can be distinguished from weather phenomena. Afterward, the yield strength of the rock drops sharply. Once it drops sufficiently, the rock yields or an earthquake occurs.

An earthquake can be predicted by three reasons. First, the tail of a vapor precursor points toward an impending epicenter, so the epicenter can be predicted. Second, the bigger the mass of the vapor, the larger the magnitude, so the magnitude can be predicted by comparing the mass with formers, whose magnitudes are in an earthquake catalog. Third, a statistic among over 500 events shows 112 days as the longest duration from vapor eruptions to relevant subsequences and 30 days as the average, so the time can be predicted.

reply to post by quakewatcher


Yep that will work for me...having a background in EE helps out alot when looking at waveforms...telling the difference between freq/vel/acc...reminds me of the 'ol book o' formulas I used to lug around for E/I/R/W C/L HEX OCT ECT ECT

I just noticed that AEIC uses ML in measuring intensity, more like NRCAN than USSG, except it seems to all be in absolute log10 no Mw or MN...hhhmmm...never mind me just a blithering dolt

I agree with the idea that those long, low-frequency signals probably represent teleseismic responses from large, distant events. The fact that they show up on multiple recorders tells me that they're "real". The fact that there are no "sharp-looking" waveforms makes them seem like they're NOT from any kind of local fracturing.

So if they do coincide with known, large, distant events, and the arrival times make sense to those of you familiar with the propagation speeds that would be involved, then that sounds like the most logical explanation for those.

The waveforms that I consider to represent earthquakes local to the YNP area, are the ones that:

a. Show up on multiple locations within the park, properly correlated in time.

b. Are sharp "cracks". They start off with a rapid rise to peak amplitude and then die down in an exponential way from there.

To me, January 9th (last Friday) represents what I'd consider to be a "good day" for "real" earthquakes in the park area.

This is an animated GIF showing all of the recording stations in the area one after the other, over and over.

By looking at all of the locations like this, and allowing your eye/brain to show you the correlation from location to location, you can see that the "real" events show up on the charts from multiple sites, but correlated in time (position on the charts).

I think that method of viewing and evaluating things shows us the "real" events and allows us to eliminate noise and man-made things that typically show up only on one of the locations.

farm4.static.flickr.com...

I know this is kind of seizure-inducing to watch, but it does seem like a good way to see the patterns.

reply to post by Moshpet


you can also use this plot & an earth globe to estimate P,Pdiff , PP , Shear travel times , given a proposed earthquake location & your instrument/geophone site:

neic.usgs.gov...

check page 7 of this download ( i hope) from British geological survey on seismic wave paths & names (its very good )

www.bgs.ac.uk/downloads/start.cfm?id=660



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reply to post by VX-7R


Reminds me of the Einstein relativity moment...when he was listening to a train whistle as it passed him and noticed a change in pitch in relation to position vs amplitude...the earths crust/mantle captures the wave and propagates it but also slows it down while it travels...till it wears itself out ie: decrease in amplitude till not enough energy to continue?