Whats going on at yellowstone?

reply to post by questioningall


Can you explain what you mean by shakey?

Katherine Hepburn circa 1995 drinking a martini.

Of course.
They get the Mt. Washburn cam up, its daylight....
And its fracking cloudy / fogged as all get out.

*beats head on desk.*

I was so hoping to get a visual on the entire area.

M.

reply to post by greshnik
Yes, we are all a bit frustrated with having to rely on various sources of data but with no visual feedback to confirm or deny some hypotheses. But even though the data may not be perfect it's the best we have available for now and at least it provides us with some basis for theorizing or speculating. As to whether this upwards trend in the lake's outflow portends anything, I don't think we can say one way or the other. It's just another factor to look at, but if we see a particular trend or cycle establishing itself -- well, who knows? It might not be of great importance now, but could be invaluable later on.

(Any doublespeak is copyright by JustMike )

Originally posted by questioningall
reply to post by JustMike

 

I have been watching postings in other forums about headaches etc. It seems to me something is going on and may be related to yellowstone or the magnetic core etc, with the amount of people that are having problems.

I was doing research the other day on clouds - pre-large earthquakes and I took screen shots of the clouds from Monday from a few different hours, along with my own video of them.

I am stating the above, due to the fact it seems the cloud formations that happened all day Monday - scientist say - a large quake will happen within 30 days of these type clouds.

I have been trying to verify these type clouds maybe being a precursor to an earthquake. They are the shaking seperated clouds. I will post the screen shots of them, from weather.com and maybe someone can say for certain if they are just a normal happening or not.

I went to many websites - and these were the type of clouds listed on earthquake sites... .

Could you provide some of the links to sites you found describing details about the type(s) of cloud? It would help in cutting through the dross.


[edit on 14-1-2009 by Spell2Speak]

reply to post by Spell2Speak



Sorry, I did not link them in when I mentioned them, my bad.

Here are some links about clouds and what they do, due to water vaporization etc. as precursors.

This one is a long explaination:
www.earthquakesignals.com...
from the above website:

I have been predicting earthquakes since June 20, 1990, when I observed a long line-shaped cloud with a tail pointing in the northwest direction. 18 hours later, a magnitude 7.7 earthquake struck Iran, and killed or injured 370,000 people. Because the earthquake was the only one bigger than 7 to the northwest of my hometown Hangzhou (30.3 N, 120 E), China, for 333 days from May 31, 1990 to April 28, 1991, I believed that there must be a strong relationship between the cloud and the earthquake. As long as the epicenter was not located by Kagida's law, but on where the cloud's tail pointed toward, I believed that the method of earthquake clouds should not have been abandoned. Since I heard no report of a successful prediction, I felt my duty to develop the method.

According to more than 100 cases of my reliable records and predictions, earthquakes always follow within 49 days of the appearance of the cloud. The other 9 predictions were incorrect due to my inexperience and inability to determine the precise origin of an earthquake cloud. For example, the 6.2 Mexico earthquake on January 30, 1995 * had been predicted in Southern California just by my estimate, but the probability including the missed place is only 5.6 %.

When you read the above site, you will find - the fact of seeing clouds (from my understanding - as I posted on the previous page from a sat pic - from Monday) there is a 30 day time period of a large earthquake.

good site here with pic (the pic on the right is like the ones that happened around the U.S on Monday) :
www.meteoquake.org...

this site, has almost exactly the clouds I got on video - Monday:
www.terraresearch.net...

another informative site: www.ntsomz.ru...

yet another in researching temps and clouds etc:
www.gisdevelopment.net...





[edit on 14-1-2009 by questioningall]

Looks like YS Eq list has been updated once again...better late than never
www.seis.utah.edu...

And 07:57 @ Moose Creek MST
www.isthisthingon.org...

And @ Soda Butte 10:01 MST Things goin' on...
www.isthisthingon.org...


[edit on 1/14/2009 by Hx3_1963]

reply to post by Hx3_1963


I think 10:01 might have been a teleseism. There was something shaking in Guatemala and in Kyoto just a bit before that one. Soda Butte seems to pick them up particularly well.

Edited: forget Kyoto that was an old one. Converting time zones wrong. Ack, I don't see a corresponding quake anywhere but a couple came in through twitter right around that time (self reported) in countries USGS doesn't cover right away. I just think, because it was a bit long and squiggly it was probably not local but I could be wrong.

[edit on 14-1-2009 by quakewatcher]

[edit on 14-1-2009 by quakewatcher]

Originally posted by questioningall
reply to post by Spell2Speak

I am going to read the links you provided, but if I could prevail upon you again, to give a quick description of how large these clouds would be and in what location in relationship to the earthquakes that follow, and any other details that would give a Reader's Digest version. This would be a good place to plug such info into "the record" as people peruse the thread.


[edit on 14-1-2009 by Spell2Speak]

reply to post by pantangele


I almost fell out of my chair at that one. Very naughty!

reply to post by quakewatcher


Yeah ....have to look around for external source...it does pick up good though...I saw that 3 Min run???


[edit on 1/14/2009 by Hx3_1963]

Hi all,
Ok www.nps.gov...
says that they recently used the howitzer to clear an avalanche area.

Also on the same page there is a link to current conditions.
The temp reported for the area is too cool to promote weather induce melting.

Also looking at the web cam and the parking lot cam the Old Faithful area is danged quiet today.

M.

reply to post by Moshpet


I'm watching the streaming web cam and I see a lot of very unconcerned looking bison.

Re: Snow melt. This keeps coming up and I just don't think we have enough info to make anything of the level of snow melt on the web cam. How long has it been since it snowed? Even if the air is very cold the steam/warm ground will melt the snow (normal for the Old Faithful area) and will melt more over time.

It seems to me this issue comes up here cyclically. More snow falls, it stops falling, then it melts, then people worry about snow melt. I mean, it couldbe an issue, but unless we are there with our own gauges, observing the locations in question, how much snow they got, how quickly it melted, and how this relates to historical trends at that location - I kinda think it's a big nothing.

reply to post by questioningall


Thanks really great info.

Looking at the photo and reading the post it looks like these clouds have 2 tails. Is that right?

Both east Texas and Yellowstone.

What do you think?

reply to post by quakewatcher


Yeah, I don't worry to much over climate induced snow melt, it's the other possibilities that could cause a major jump in lake outflow that bother me.

Still its data and it allows us to rule out one cause.

20% chance of snow today & Thursday, so getting a clear view of the lake from the mountain/caldera cam is going to be iffy. With luck we can catch a break.

M.

Hi Folks, I have just recieved this reply from USGS with regard to the downtime of LKWY.

Hi David,

XXXX forwarded your email to me and it looks like LKWY is now back up. Back in late December there was a problem with the computer that generates the webicorders, but the LKWY outage was different as all the other webicorders were working fine. LKWY is a USGS station that is part of the National Seismic Network. UU imports the data and uses it with the Yellowstone Seismic Network stations to locate earthquakes. Our guess is that UU was not receiving LKWY because something was wrong with the telemetry or the feed. The Montana Tech display of LKWY was also down.

As you can see by looking at YLT and YLA, not a whole lot has been going on near the Lake recently. The loss of LKWY would be bad, as it's an excellent station, but it is not the only station around there and we can locate earthquakes even if the station is down. The new USArray station at West Thumb is not on one of our webicorders, but you can get it through other sources, and it is an excellent station not too far away.

It's also not very unusual for equipment to go down in the winter. It happens in the summer too.

As for posting something on the YVO web site about equipment failures, we are talking about it. I know it seems like a simple thing to do but it sets a precedent that requires discussion.

I hope this email answers your question. We have posted an article on the YVO site about the swarm and revised the web page to make it easier to find more information about it. You are welcome to share this information with others.

Best,
XXXX
YVO Web Team

And the authority to share tghis with you

Yes, you are welcome to share it. I think Jake, the YVO Scientist-in-Charge, did an interview with Above Top Secret a few years ago.

Thank you,

www.isthisthingon.org...
Soda Butte seems to have a upset tummy today

reply to post by PuterMan


Now that is very cool!!! Nice to know someone still works there...hope they do the Equipment updates would save us "kooks" alot of moaning

reply to post by Hx3_1963


The Soda Butte stuff looks very cultural to me. Too long and not the right shape to be quakes, also when you see activity like that start up around sunrise it's a dead giveaway.

Maybe a snow plow, or the howitzer for avalanche control, or snow cats, or whatever.

reply to post by geogeek


this paper , referenced a about page 100 of this thread, say the researchers have imaged JDF going down at 50 degrees to the west of Yellow ; good reading , they are trying to figure out how plate will interact with hot spot plume

repositories.cdlib.org...

hope i didn't post this twice ... goofy fingers


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