Whats going on at yellowstone?

reply to post by VX-7R


saw an article once, u can use accelerometers, but only for the biggest stuff (not enough sensitivity) , California was looking at constructing an earthquake early warning system once using car air bag sensors once .... maybe they have improved since then .. P.S. U can get an app for the iPhone that uses its accelerometers to create/ display a seismometer (of unknown, but probably not high) sensitivity .....

you could check IO systems(texas)/or Sercel(france) ,they have real modern very new 3 component phones, i'm sure Google would work miracles for U .... IO is to be slightly preferred is my feeling ..... Name has changed but IO should still work .. I think new name might be ION .....

Industry instruments sometimes store the gain in a separate position in data or header (depending on how ancient the instrument format) [SEGA] (sometimes multiplexed into data [ correct terminolgy ??] [+SEGAs(plus initial value in header),SEGB(in data)] , depending on instrument format .. newest/newest instruments record in 32 bits so not a problem, I believe [SEGC, most newer SEGDs] Hope i haven't said anything too incriminating here vs. my EE knowledge (or lack of it) let me know if u succeed in you hardware application ... next step; Solar power, satellite phone (or something) connectivity .... then sales to us ....



[edit on 13/1/09 by geogeek]

Nobody is faking the web cam. Geeze, I think that's a little excessive, don't you?

I mean, they'd have to be faking A LOT, because they are still telling people to come to the park, people are still uploading pictures daily:
www.flickr.com...
and Twittering about going to Yellowstone, and writing little community papers about yellowstone

www.yellowstone-online.com...

and...we're talking about something that would effect several neighboring states. There's just no way.

There have been some earthquake swarms, there might be more. We may or may not get all that data as soon as it is ready, but if there were something actively erupting out of the park, believe me we'd know.

A stronger than average EQ just occurred near YLT.
On GEE YLT even reached the micrometers range:

Link to the image

EDIT
Oops since on GEE it was stronger on YLT I assumed it was near YLT.

[edit on 2009/1/13 by Shirakawa]

If you notice on LKWY www.quake.utah.edu... at about 7 am there we some small but sharp waves then at about 9 they changed and we start getting alot more water.

The waves almost look as though they are pulsing now.

[edit on 13-1-2009 by MrObserver]

Back to the previous (2004?) swarm site... a 2.5 just hit.

(edit add) right under narcissus geyser

[edit on 1/13/2009 by startx.jeff]

reply to post by quakewatcher


Cool, I am looking at the pics. thanks for that site link.

I saw those bison today, someone was out taking pics with a tripod there, might be the same person who posted these.

Originally posted by Shirakawa
A stronger than average EQ just occurred near YLT.
On GEE YLT even reached the micrometers range:

Link to the image

eQuake says 2.5.

Ko3

Clearly, the earthquakes are deliberately waiting until I'm not watching them.

Shaking fist at rascelly volcano.

reply to post by MrObserver


Ok, I have been watching this monitor for days now.

Please explain to me, the meaning of the different colored lines. Sorry, I just do not know what they mean.

Thanks, I see the 2.5 on it that happened at 10pm est.

Originally posted by quakewatcher
Clearly, the earthquakes are deliberately waiting until I'm not watching them.

Shaking fist at rascelly volcano.

Personally, I think the quakes like me drinking Shiner Bock. Whenever I drink the Anchor Steam beer... nothing. So, ... now the question is.... SHOULD I drink Shiner? I mean.... I don't wanna piss off the waskely volcano.

[edit on 1/13/2009 by startx.jeff]

One of the things that bothers me is the editing of the raw data files on the LKWY GPS data.

Up through the 8th of January the moving 28 day average had acelerated to a rise rate that would be just over 7 inchs per year which is far faster than previous data or reports.

Now with LKWY back on line all of the 2009 data on LKWY has been edited from the download files and it just shows no data after Dec 31st. You have to download the raw or detrend data CSV files. Averaging over 28 days isn't perfect but it does correct for most tidal distortion.

Link To LKWY GPS Data Files

I do not know, I normally drink teh winez. but not until the kids are in bed. But back when I drank beer I always thought the darker the better.

The different colored lines each represent one 15 minute segment of time, they don't have any significance other than as a way to help you tell one line from another.

Yep, 2.5...ish


Activity all over Cal. has picked up a bit in the last few hours as well.

Hopefully this is of use.

An interpretation of the lines on the graphs

Four major types of seismograms

vulcan.wr.usgs.gov...

Sample displays

www.quake.utah.edu...

Does anyone know the proper GEE channel settings for YFT and YNR? I can't get either to show any data. Are they just withholding it for now?

reply to post by manotick


Thanks for the info. I am looking at the sites now and learning.

Some of the info on other sites - I just have no idea what I am looking at and suppose to be getting from it.



[edit on 13-1-2009 by questioningall]

reply to post by Shirakawa


The only two causes I can think of for water increase.

1- A massive melt off in the park, not sure how cool it was there to day.
2- Uplift of the lake bottom.

Neither are comforting thoughts.

M.

reply to post by questioningall


Concerning the various posts/questions about the satellite photos of the area and other things:

First, the shots are not real-time in any sense.

Second, the colors you see are false-colors generated by the imaging software and it's not easy to know what different colors represent in any given setup. So I would not get too excited about seeing "red" in a shot. It's not hot lava

As for the soles of your shoes melting: Some of the trails became quite hot at one point in the '80s. This happened in some areas where the thermal features had shifted. They had to close some existing pathways and build some new ones to accommodate the changes.

They build paved paths and elevated wooden walkways in and around the more interesting and popular thermal features so that people can safely walk as close as possible to what is always very dangerous ground.

It's common for you to be standing on a path or walkway, and several feet away, if you stepped off of the path, you'd sink into delicate and beautiful ground and potentially be injured or killed as well as damage the lovely formations.

They've had unthinking people walk off of the paths and be scalded and killed on a number of occasions. I even remember hearing about a person whose dog got into one of the pools jumping in after the dog and both of them being killed. That's really sad and it points out how the beautiful pools can seem nice but be plenty hot enough to kill a person.

It's always a balancing act between allowing people to get near so they can really enjoy seeing things up close versus keeping the tourists from getting themselves hurt. It's so beautiful, and seems so much like a theme park that people sometimes fail to understand how hot and potentially dangerous things can be. It's kind of like walking among a bunch of boiling hot pots of water on a stove-top.

Then again, there's always someone who wants to get a close up photo of a bison or they want to put their kid on one for a good shot. Again, injury or death is a good possibility. This is mother nature, not a movie or Disneyland.

In any case, a heated area would only need to shift a number of feet in some places for a formerly safe path to become too hot to allow to remain open to the public. I think that's what happened in the '80s.

As for a "sulfur smell". If you've never been to Yellowstone, I can see how this might seem odd. But seriously... Yellowstone always smells of sulfur! I'm pretty used to this kind of smell from doing a lot of work over the years in the oilfield. We laughingly refer to it as "the smell of money".

But when we go up to Yellowstone, some people just can't stand it. It makes them gag. Others don't find it all that bad.

In many locations, when water comes to the surface, either as hot springs or pumped up in oilfields, (or in Yellowstone) there are considerable quantities of H2S or other sulfur compounds dissolved into that water. When the water reaches the surface, a lot of that "breaks out" of the water and gives you that distinctive aroma.

If someone went to Yellowstone and reported that it DIDN'T smell of sulfur, that would be a warning sign to me that something was wrong

Believe me, enough people are in Yellowstone, even in the winter, both as tourists and as support staff that if something odd was happening, it could not be kept secret.

When lava starts flowing, we'll know in short order!

Clearly, as of now, there are no overt signs of unusual activity at Yellowstone that people visiting the area are seeing, feeling, hearing, or smelling.

The earthquake swarm was (is?) interesting, and so far seems to be the only indication of anything out of the ordinary.

Yellowstone may seem remote to people unfamiliar with the area. But it's huge, populated and not cut off. We'll know soon enough if things get really out of hand there!

Originally posted by questioningall
reply to post by MrObserver

 

Ok, I have been watching this monitor for days now.

Please explain to me, the meaning of the different colored lines. Sorry, I just do not know what they mean.

Thanks, I see the 2.5 on it that happened at 10pm est.

The lines on the UU seismographs are broken into 15 minute intervals.

Black 0-15
Red 16-30
Blue 31-45
Green 46-0

The vertical lines break up those lines in one minute intervals.
The different colors are so they can put more data on one page and have it 'hopefully' readable.

M.

reply to post by quakewatcher


I think they're using HHE, HHN and HHZ channels.
Try selecting them all.