Whats going on at yellowstone?

reply to post by RFBurns

Good 4 U! I got my Assoc. in 88 in Michigan USA...Consumers Electronics...used to build weird custom applications for people for who knows what LoL...sounds like a worthy endevour!

reply to post by JustMike


OOPS!~!~! MY BAD!!! (I said that it was well past my bedtime.)

I had just finished reviewing the the document to which I had provided the link and the reference in that document was to river flow and LAKE level correlation whereas the guage readings from the river flow guage are indeed river flow as opposed to river level and would therefore correspond. My apologies to all in this regard.
I do, however, still stand by the generalized calculations of displacement and potential uplift in the prior post.

Hi guys,

I was at my mom because she needed me but now I'm back and I've seen a huge amount of pages are new in the thread, the last part where I read up was
the increasing intervals of the probably top secret geyser? So can someone please send me a u2u with the development since that? (Nothing to big, just a couple of lines about whats been discovered since?

Thanks in advance and thank you once again for all your research, you guys rock!!!

reply to post by Old Farmer
It's no problem, don't worry about it. As I've said on here before, I have made slip-ups too... We all do I guess.

I agree on the uplift theory, or rather on the "changing land levels" theory. Back on page 314 I wrote a post about this and referenced to a research document on this subject, which in short says that a rise in the caldera's dome causes a decrease the river bed's incline near where it takes the lake outflow. I commented on what this could mean in terms of outflow if the lake is frozen over. Anywhooo, rather than write it all again, I'd be glad if you'd take a look at this post (by JustMike) and you'll see what I mean.

Suffice to say that there is scientific support for the idea that the lake's outflow can be directly affected by a change in the caldera dome's height. (It made sense anyway but it's good to have solid backing for the idea.)

Far as I can see no-one commented on either that post or the referenced research report so maybe this time some people will. It was a quiet time on here so no surprise if it got missed.

Best regards,

Mike

[edit on 11/1/09 by JustMike]

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I did take a look at that but am unable to find enough GPS information to formulate anything leaning eitherway at this point...probley as are most people...just not enough detailed info for the public...you see how hard people have to dig just to get what's posted...they really bury this stuff in multiple sites under different subheadings...it really should be easier than what it is now...just me

Good morning everyone!

For this morning's fairly calm tea leaf reading I have a few oddities to chat about on the helicorders.

#1: Appears there's a little activity in the LKWY region again? If you look at YLA, YTP, and YLP you can see a little bump after 10:16 UTC. You can't really see it on the Mirror Lake area helicorders so it's not that new hotspot. Remember that when we could see the LKWY graphs these could be larger events on that helicorder? Just something to ponder. For now it still looks pretty darned small but those will be the ones to watch to determine if the lake is active.

#2: Interesting things went down at around 13:39 and 13:48 UTC over around our newer earthquake swarm. Check out Soda Butte:
isthisthingon.org...

and Mirror Lake picked up little bumps at the same time:
isthisthingon.org...

More "avalanches?" Edited to add: looks like this might just be some really loud cultural activity, big snow cats or something. There's too much of it now and I'm not seeing it anywhere else but Soda Butte, it looks like Mammoth's usual daytime hyperactivity.

Anyway, just stuff to look at. The sky is not falling, etc. etc.






[edit on 11-1-2009 by quakewatcher]

Originally posted by alysha.angel
reply to post by Yummy Freelunch

 

ref to Sageturkey going to check sites for himself:

you know i think we are all looking forward to it but how will we know its him?

Have you ever smelled singed feathers? tee hee

Morning All
Just catching up from 314:busy busy busy people
From Moon phase and High pressure. Ice to out flow. And a possible borehole crush- Plausible, massive pressures at work-lets see on Monday by Geogeek, agreed. If it isn't right, it's by no 'Fault' of ours! .. tee hee
Sorry , bad humor,
I go back and finish catch up...

[edit on 11-1-2009 by Mushussu]

reply to post by Hx3_1963


for the record, and hold me accountable on this :

YES

reply to post by quakewatcher

YLA, YTP, and YLP

Can you tell me how to find these ones in GEE. I can find LKWY no problem, but where are these in relation to that?

reply to post by RFBurns


i'm green with envy ... wish i new enough EE to even hazard a guess what U are discussing

Here is a zoom of the LS2 band from the B208 strainmeter at yellowstone lake.

there is not a constant force on the pipe but a rythmic throb. The throb shows highest on the LS2 sensor but the other 4 sensors are also getting throbbing preasure on and off.

This strainmeter is down over 400ft and is measuring forces against the side of a 6 inch steel pipe in a 8 inch bore with the outer shell filled with concrete. No pump, or truck, or generator, or wind can create this type of lateral force against a bore hole. It has to be geothermal or something in origin.

B208 LS2 band close up from last data file downloaded from site

Originally posted by geogeek
reply to post by PuterMan

 

re alaska & kamchatka: SNSRS (Situation Normal, Situation Remains the Same ), both very high intensity , high rate subduction zones .. having 1-3 Volcanoes in Alaska going off not all that uncommon ... having less than 2 going off in Kamchatka is ABNORMAL ...

the zone from Katmai to Martin is so energetic continuously ( has a very very high background level of seismicity )I doubt the Bears could ever hibernate ... Spurr usually also has a very high background level of seismicity ... if any of the other Alaska volcano starts hitting 35 quakes / week it is significant ..... ( but not those previously meantioned ones (unless week after week at 35/week))

www.avo.alaska.edu...://www.giseis.alaska.edu/Seis/EQ/images/AVO_recentEQ_histogram.png

Move along folks ...

[edit on 11/1/09 by geogeek]

it appears my link isn't working, try clicking on "earthquake summary" on page
www.avo.alaska.edu...

reply to post by PuterMan


I don't know, I'm not using GEE. I just use the webicorders. Isthisthingon has all the info on them though:

isthisthingon.org...

Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by geogeek

 

SNSRS? Take a look at this
www.avo.alaska.edu...

3 yellows and 4 orange.

Yup , i'm aware of this ... I'm going to try finding an old email i got from an AVO Geoscientist/Web page maintainer for U ,if i find it i will u2u it to U .. U can decide whether to post it or not

p.s. check out this site, a site by Volcanologists for Volcanolgists : I think U can check eruptions history for each volcano listed...

www.volcano.si.edu...

[edit on 11/1/09 by geogeek]

Originally posted by meagerhair
The UNVACO site is reporting a good communication link to LKWY this morning. So LKWY's network box is up powered and sending. Green highlight on attached link.

You will note that even though it is on the network it is not transmitting any data.

So it has power, and is not sending files from any of it's multiple systems? I would say someone has turned off the data flow.

My bet is that the Depatment of Homeland security will get with UNVACO shortly and convine them to kill the network connection all together or just make LKWY go away on there website.

LKWY Health Status Screen

Are you reffering to this below which is the QC history under more information lower right off of your post? it states in red under graphs - no data for past 3days?


pboweb.unavco.org...

Things to keep in mind:

LKWY is more than just a seismic station. It is also a GPS station located nearby. When you see that UNAVCO state that LKWY is working, they refer to the GPS station.

The seismic station LKWY is NOT located in a borehole. It is located at the surface. It is down right now. It is run by the USGS and not UU, though UU imports the data and runs webicorders and uses the data to report earthquakes. It has a big satellite dish and a solar panel and sometimes does not function well in winter. The other stations at Yellowstone use radio communications rather than satellite.

The strainmeter at Lake is B208. It is quite new. There are lots of random signals in new strainmeters. It is not trivial to interpret the data, even for people who do it for a living (and there are not many of them).

reply to post by geogeek


P.S. a possible catastrophe in the future ... this Caldera complex in southern Kamchatka is supposed to be biggest salmon spawning ground found in the west pacific , if not the world ... (from my flaky Grey matter RAM ....)

/9qjxvj


[edit on 11/1/09 by geogeek]

reply to post by Hx3_1963
Thanks for your reply. I appreciate it.

It's the dickens trying to find good data, as you say. And the trouble is, to get variations in flow of the sort of rates we are seeing would only take very minor deviations in levels anyway. We could be looking at gradient differences of (say) a few cm over a fair time interval. Kind of like filling a bowl to the brim, it doesn't take much tilt to spill some out. And the lake is way more complex than a hypothetical bowl. Maybe it's got some uplift in that (relatively) small dome, maybe it's tilting a little, or the bed of the river's changing gradient because the caldera is altering...

It's a headache. I mean, I created year-by-year graphs of outflow for the past 2 decades from the USGS database, and going back through them I noticed this is not the first time that the lake's outflow has been well over the mean for this time of year. That still doesn't mean it's all "normal" because we don't know if those past occasions were "normal" either, but one thing's for sure: this is apparently the first time that this kind of extra outflow has coincided with a quake swarm under the northern section of the lake.

I can see why geologists, hydrologists and all the others need to do so many years of study before they even specialize.

Look at YPP: Is this wind? It was really hard to load this image, like a lot of people are looking at it:

www.seis.utah.edu...

For those reading this later, it's kinda obvious but I'm talking about what started at around 17:00 UTC.

reply to post by JustMike


Holy Skamoly! You Recreated/Charted 20Yrs of that Data?!? Amazing Dedication on your part...if this is for a Hobby/Pastime you've put in more than I would have...not much chance of gettin' a position there with out all the SheepSkin to back it up but as I say...Coolness to the Maximumness!



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