Whats going on at yellowstone?

Originally posted by Moshpet

Originally posted by odd1out
Breaking NEWS!!! Chris Saunders is going to be charged by the FEDS for the "FALSE EVACUATION ORDER" he issued about Yellowstone.

www.billingsgazette.net...

Hanging is too good for him.
Shooting him would be the waste of a bullet.
I say we put him in a cage sitting in Yellowstone Park and leave him there, feeding optional.

Moshpet

Let's not go there. Please!
If the thing would have went off, he would be a hero. He gambled, (yes stupidly), and lost. Leave it at that.






[edit on 8-1-2009 by j2000]

Originally posted by VX-7R
reply to post by geogeek

 

Sort of a visual integration or visual correlation effect.

I think we could put in even more graphs and see even more of what's really buried in the noise.

Let me play with this for a while. I've got an animated gif tool in one of my graphics programs. It might work

And there are some tools in Photoshop with layers that might allow us to do a good job of this, too, but my fear is that any time delays between the stations would actually wreck the effect with what I had in mind while the simple method you're using would work because our eye can accept a slight shift in position and still see it as a "real" or "correlated" event.

I used:
www.image-tools.com...

Yup; visual correlation ... if we started adding 3 or more GIFs to animation, I believe we could really start cutting through the noise to see the events ... never under estimate the power of the eye-brain for seeing patterns , it blows away our sophisticated seismic imaging algorithms here at work more often than we would like to admit ... this site has severe size limitations , I have just about filled up the last of my alloted space just uploading this one ...

-robert

reply to post by odd1out


Wonder if they'll let him out if it does blow. NAH!!!

Well thank you all for all this really good stuff...it has inspired me to start a new Earthquake Center page on my website...guess I'll be spliting my time between the two for now so I'll pop in from time to time and check in or add posts as need be

Hey Geogeek, thanks for all your help, clarifying the
difference btween a dome an uplift, especially.
The cow pattie analogy definately helped!

Do we need further study into this btw?

Um, my question is: could we see if eminent eruption is inevitable or predictable somehow here, if we knew for sure what is was, (and had the high dollar equip to detect it with)? What would it take?

Been wondering that since you mentioned how we could test the lake, if we had the equipment. Thank you.


[edit on 8-1-2009 by dodadoom]

Originally posted by geogeek

I used:
www.image-tools.com...

Yup; visual correlation ... if we started adding 3 or more GIFs to animation, I believe we could really start cutting through the noise to see the events ... never under estimate the power of the eye-brain for seeing patterns , it blows away our sophisticated seismic imaging algorithms here at work more often than we would like to admit ... this site has severe size limitations , I have just about filled up the last of my alloted space just uploading this one ...

-robert

Here is an animated gif of all of the charts for the park for today.

It's a fairly large file, and my browser won't render it. But if you download it and show it in an image viewer, it works fine.

I set it up for a 20 millisecond display of each chart.

It'll give you a seizure, but it works!

farm4.static.flickr.com...

Right click the image, save as, and then open it it in any good viewing program that handles animated GIFs. Apparently, Seamonkey doesn't know what to do with it, but it's there. It just looks like a large black frame in my browser, though.

Look at the straight line of little quakes on the Intermountain West map:
www.seis.utah.edu...

Weird.

reply to post by quakewatcher


I saw that too...wonder what's going on under there? actually looks to lead to socal...also alot of geyser cali action today too...

Hope all this doesn't spill into sana-anna...KABLOOEY...

[edit on 1/8/2009 by Hx3_1963]

reply to post by VX-7R




Major Brain Freeze LoL

I know it's a bit off topic, but with all of you volcano watchers in this thread, I wondered if anyone has a link to the seismic station at the Paos Volcano in Costa Rica? It was apparently close to the epicenter of today's quake.

Originally posted by j2000

Originally posted by dodadoom
reply to post by j2000

 

I need to remind us that from info posted, only the north entrance to park is even open this time of year! The ONLY TRUCK TRAFFIC listed, is reported to affect the seismo station at mammoth ONLY! Unless an extreme emergency, I dont think other stations would have much traffic noise at all anyway. Other than the road to Gardiner. Snowplows are used on these coresponding roads I would imagine.
But could this be an actual emergency? Or just the "usual" rumbings?
Remember fema's on board, anything is possible at this point.
Dont they have an account at the Bank of Homeland Security anyway?

[edit on 8-1-2009 by dodadoom]

I am on board with you. I was being sarcastic.

Hey, no prob. We all need to be able to throw it out there and see what sticks!
I wanted to remind everyone(also) that it is a very unique experience,
in that it is very limited in the winter. It is rugged mountain country with all different types of terrain, flora, & fauna, some hostile as well as not.
You dont just go walking around anywhere unless you want to fall in scalding water through a thin layer of crust for instance.
Probably for the best people are kept out in the winter. You would have people lost and having to be rescued constantly. It is a huge park! Even though you are not allowed to feed the wildlife, people still do.
So guess what? People mean snacks for bears! If you aint in a car or something, it can be very intimidating! DONT FEED M OR TRY TO PET M!
Forget sleeping out under the stars, its all good
till one of these guys sniffs ya up & down!
Best not be smellin' like bacon! IMO
You dont really get the idea unless you've been there.
Really a unique experience. Something for everyone.
Total tragedy just in that respect, were something to ever happen.
Just keep this mind when thinking of "cultural noise" anyhow.
You all kick ass btw. Aren't we all learning all the time! Thanks!





[edit on 8-1-2009 by dodadoom]

reply to post by geogeek


Look,
I would not have posted the site if I had not seen it.
I am not a scare monger and if you have seen the site I posted, you would see it too.
Picture and map, article clip below.
I have a Geology background as well.

I have contributed a lot of valid research as well.
I have been on this thread from nearly the beginning , so I know what has and has not been discussed / reviewed and rehashed.

All I said was there is already a dome there and the EQ's were leading to its direction.
I never said it was going to erupt.
And, I know very well what a Dome is as do you.

No one here is vapid. Not you , not me, nor anyone who has concerns or claims they have had weird dreams.
We have all come here on common goals.
To learn , understand, and have a few laughs along the way.
Granted it got to be a little Nervous Laughter, but a good chuckle at our selves.

I will not show disrespect to you or any other nor have I in the past.
Please if you have not looked at the site, take a look.
If you disagree with the article , that's fine.

To all others , if you remember there was a post by I think scaredinwyoming who said that she and her town smelled sulfur. There is a snip-it about air released in the article.
Read for your benefit or pleasure.
Enjoy



www.apfn.net...



www.denverpost.com...

Excerpt:
"Post Science Writer
YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK, Wyo. - The mystery of the deep at picturesque Yellowstone Lake is a bulge that rises 100 feet from the lake floor, stretches the length of seven football fields, and has the potential to explode at any time.

Of all the life-threatening events that could happen at Yellowstone - from volcanic eruptions to massive earthquakes - this type of hydrothermal explosion is likely the most immediate, serious hazard in the park. So, scientists are trying to better understand possible warning signs.

The dome acts like the lid on a pressure cooker. A hydrothermal explosion releases pent-up pressure; in this case, letting loose 10-foot-tall waves, raining chunks of pulverized rock on land, and injecting a plume of steam and poisonous gases through the water. If the entire dome exploded, the explosion could carve an underwater crater stretching up to 2,300 feet across.

Scientists first noted a problem last summer, as they surveyed the lake. The sharp stench of rotting eggs - from hydrogen sulfide gas - was in the air, clouds of sediment choked the water and swarms of bubbles rose to the surface."

**This was only the first part of the article**

Best regaurds,
Mushussu

Originally posted by quakewatcher
I know it's a bit off topic, but with all of you volcano watchers in this thread, I wondered if anyone has a link to the seismic station at the Paos Volcano in Costa Rica? It was apparently close to the epicenter of today's quake.

Maybe this will help? Try some of the info in the tabs...

earthquake.usgs.gov...

I went ahead and put all the seismograms for today into one file and made them all opaque, it is a little less seizure causing than the flashing one.

Image

reply to post by quakewatcher

Here is the site for the Costa Rica seismographs

www.ovsicori.una.ac.cr...

This may be the one you want to look at;

163.178.140.24...

[edit on 8-1-2009 by Infinity Eagle]

Originally posted by Mushussu
reply to post by geogeek

 

Look,
I would not have posted the site if I had not seen it.
I am not a scare monger and if you have seen the site I posted, you would see it too... (text shortened by CC)
....
No one here is vapid. Not you , not me, nor anyone who has concerns or claims they have had weird dreams.
We have all come here on common goals.
To learn , understand, and have a few laughs along the way.
Granted it got to be a little Nervous Laughter, but a good chuckle at our selves...




Best regaurds,
Mushussu

Beautifully said, Mushussu. Science is much about observation and I believe there are people here who may be gifted at truly seeing, discerning and intuiting patterns that a credentialed scientist may not see. I remember one poster here who saw something and round and metallic tacked to a park sign that wasn't there before. Pretty good observational and certainly on topic enough for me. Also people who noted all the guys in red jackets etc.

Crikey

reply to post by ChrisCrikey


Thank you,

Originally posted by VX-7R

Originally posted by geogeek

I used:
www.image-tools.com...

Yup; visual correlation ... if we started adding 3 or more GIFs to animation, I believe we could really start cutting through the noise to see the events ... never under estimate the power of the eye-brain for seeing patterns , it blows away our sophisticated seismic imaging algorithms here at work more often than we would like to admit ... this site has severe size limitations , I have just about filled up the last of my alloted space just uploading this one ...

-robert

Here is an animated gif of all of the charts for the park for today.

It's a fairly large file, and my browser won't render it. But if you download it and show it in an image viewer, it works fine.

I set it up for a 20 millisecond display of each chart.

It'll give you a seizure, but it works!

farm4.static.flickr.com...

Right click the image, save as, and then open it it in any good viewing program that handles animated GIFs. Apparently, Seamonkey doesn't know what to do with it, but it's there. It just looks like a large black frame in my browser, though.

that 14:50 quake comes through like gang busters in this display of yours ... for me, i think a slightly slower animation would work better ... maybe 1/2 the speed of what you are doing now ... I like it ... shows promise .... What do U think ??? ... PS Firefox on Linux displays it fine ....

reply to post by geogeek


With all due respect Geogeek, I think I'm with Mushusu on this. I think your cow pattie is kinda starting to stink here. Sorry, couldnt resist.
We have seen evidence of this building already. I mean we all know how things get twisted around by the PTB, dont we? Look at how messed up the tax code is!
Whether its gas, magma, poop or doritos, it is an unusual and
potentionally catastrophic problem, isnt it?
(I keep thinking of that zit picture. Holy s---!) Now THAT'S scarey!

Who's payin you anyway?
I'm kidding!

Once again with all due respect, cuz I sure dont have a degree!

[edit on 8-1-2009 by dodadoom]

Originally posted by dodadoom
Hey Geogeek, thanks for all your help, clarifying the
difference btween a dome an uplift, especially.
The cow pattie analogy definately helped!

Do we need further study into this btw?

Um, my question is: could we see if eminent eruption is inevitable or predictable somehow here, if we knew for sure what is was, (and had the high dollar equip to detect it with)? What would it take?

Been wondering that since you mentioned how we could test the lake, if we had the equipment. Thank you.


[edit on 8-1-2009 by dodadoom]

just my thoughts, and i'm quite sure a real volcanolgist will have a real giggle at this post

maybe really deep drill holes with strain sensors & geophones &resistivity sensors ... probably one can not definitely predict an eruption except within a week or so of an actual eruption (magma already in place in chamber ) happening (no real method exists to properly/ accurately image/quantify the area below the magma chamber) so we might not know what is on the up towards the magma chamber unless we are lucky enough to seismic signals from the movement from depth ...and even in that case do we really know the volumes & gas content of materials on the way up ??? a long history for an active volcano helps a lot .... in general i remain very skeptical ....

[edit on 8-1-2009 by geogeek]

[edit on 8-1-2009 by geogeek]