Whats going on at yellowstone?

I bookmarked this pdf the other day. No idea if it is of any use as I have not read it or searched to see if its posted in this superthread.

Mapping the Floor of Yellowstone Lake: New Discoveries from High-Resolution Sonar Imaging, Seismic-Reflection Profiling, and Submersible Studies

Anyway I have nothing further to add other than I am near Salt Lake City.

reply to post by JustMike


ok i stand corrected- that was the one i remember about the farmer.
but he asked about in the 1800's and that is the one i remembered

reply to post by Bon3eye


Good one, I found that one along with a bunch of others at;
www.georgewright.org...
Then type "water levels in yellowstone" in the search box, lots of interesting PDFs there

Just wanted to pass a new article I found on the homepage of Yahoo! about the Yellowstone quakes. No new info really but at least somebody (other than us) is keeping track of this. Check out the story here.

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Morning all,
If i take a couple or days back and today it is verry calming down.
Somebody else noticed this?
Silence before the storm maybe?
Thinking that today we may see something new (my feeling is say this).

EDIT also that wacko guy from youtube warning is over this day the 3th.

[edit on 3-1-2009 by coolvibe]

reply to post by Bon3eye

Now, that is one heck of a scientific document... Wow! Lots of excellent information there. Thank you! Star for you and welcome!!

Mike

as for the rising water levels- when water freezes it expands and it is lighter than the liquid water- so i can't see how the ice could put enough pressure on the liquid water to promote an increase.
put a glass of water in your freezer and you will see what i mean. if anything the water level would go down

This is new
As of Saturday, Jan 3, 2009 at 03:51:47 PST

Yellowstone has now been added to the elevated volcanic activity list.
I've been checking this page frequently and checked it earlier today as well, and Yellowstone was never featured on the elevated status list.
Although the status hasn't changed and remains at 'green' and 'normal'.

elevated volcanoes

ch eck the cached version of page before update it wasn't on there


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reply to post by dustystrings


We live about 300 m S. of Yellowstone, in the Rockies (Colorado), at approx. 8,000 ft elev.,and my daughter saw a Robin on Dec. 30th- When she told me this, I thought she must be mistaken...In yesterday's paper, on the front page was a picture of one in an aspen, and a report stating 180 Robins have been sighted in the area near downtown- the 'expert' claimed in the article that it was a "real head-scratcher" and "they might be from Canada"...(?)- however it is not the norm to have the harbinger of spring here on Dec. 30. Also, we have rocks beginning to show(these are small river rocks;6" to 18") around the yard, and it has not been warm enough for melting snow(roof still has lots on it- it has been in the bitter 20's for the last few wks, up until the last 2 days)....and we had a black bear out and about 2 days ago. USGS 'monitoring' the Yampa River for unknown reasons. The Elk River, which was frozen- is now not, even tho temps have been in the 20's for wks. In my humble opinion, robins show when the ground warms, as does ground snow melt, bears come out, and ice melts....and we are wondering why,and what, USGS is monitoring....hmmm Also, a few ago, there was an article in the paper concerning the snow level in the higher elevations- some areas were near norm, and just down the rd (where one would expect the same level),the level was significantly reduced. These areas all have been hit with the same storms, so they should be nearly equal in snowpack (which is the norm), but are not. One area at 69% normal, and just down the rd., they were saying that that level indicates predictive serious drought. It seems as if parts of the mt.range are warmer than other parts,yet right next to each other. These things are not normal for the area.

reply to post by bigfoot1212

I wasn't actually correcting you. I was off getting the info for "ambush" (who asked about it -- sorry I forget the whole name) and didn't see your post until after I posted mine...

But "ambush" also asked about the possibility of the same thing happening at Yellowstone. I think most experts would probably ummm and ahhh and say that they don't really know but it's theoretically possible. I would guess that the formation of a "regular" volcano would be quite something but probably not what they are most concerned about.

Regards,

Mike

reply to post by MischeviousElf

Hello again,

EDIT to ad: first of all, after having my second cup of coffee and a think, I'd like to extend the olive branch to you. I think that what you posted (which clearly took a deal of time and effort) was a sincere effort to appraise us of the situation as you saw it, but unfortunately with the wrong data as your basis. I have made mistakes and been hammered for them but that's life I guess. I don't want to "hammer" you.

(End of main edit.)

Just to clear something up a bit more definitively, the images and information you have posted are very interesting, but graphs for level, temperature and flow for Tantalus Creek at Norris Junction do not have a lot to do with what is happening around 25 miles to the SE at Yellowstone Lake. Well, they have virtually nothing to do with it, to be honest. To explain, the map below shows the location of Tantalus Creek in relation to Yellowstone Lake, whose outlet is situated just by the junction of the two roads marked in yellow, near the "route 14" sign. (Note! The image will appear truncated. Please right-click on the image and then click "View Image".)



(Original image from google.com. Reproduced for informational purposes.)

I referred to the correct data page for the lake's discharge information in my previous post (in response to your first post on this subject where you claim that the lake is hydrologically absolutely normal) but just for completeness I will give it again. Link to Yellowstone River at Yellowstone Lake Outlet Data Page. As anyone can see, the figures shown there bear no correlation to what is shown for Tantalus Creek, and there is not even a temperature chart to study.

You said:

…the hydrology is normal Period. Anyone saying different is just posting bad science and does not understand it.

You are saying different because the information you posted and insisted is relevant does not even relate to the actual lake discharge data and is therefore, as you say yourself, “bad science”. EDIT to add: Yes, and you'd be quite right if we had used the wrong data (or no data at all).

I expect it was just a slip-up on your part but all the same, in the interests of keeping the data here as accurate as possible, I felt it best to clarify things as some readers might be getting a bit confused by apparently conflicting data. EDIT to add: Because I see you as a reasonable person I'd like to ask if you would look at the data for the lake outflow and especially, compare its peak flow indicators to see if you agree that the trend is on the upward, and that there appears to be a correlation between the times of strongest "activity" on the nearby helicorders (and not just quakes but overall activity). This is what has concerned many of us over the past several days and an extra, balanced opinion would be most welcome, especially any hypotheses you might have as to the causes, considering the current weather conditions as well as the factors related to the below-ground activity.

Peace,

Mike
Edited for image credit and viewing info; second edit to add extra text and extend an olive branch to MischievousElf.

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Not the first time an eq swarm has happened at Yellowstone
volcanoes.usgs.gov...
Look at the data for Dec.2002

reply to post by violet


I'd be tempted to say it's there to reduce people's anxiety, since if they hear about this, and know of that page, they'll go there and see it's green/Normal.

I'm still curious to hear if anyone knows what it would take for the powers to be at Yellowstone to actually change the status from "normal" to any actual alert. Anyone know?

The map on the RSOE website is showing a volcano icon again at Yellowstone.

Also, I do not remember seeing this many volcano icons littering the landscape below the U.S. before. A few, yes, but several?

RSOE EDIS

reply to post by JustMike

Thanks for the welcome. I just wish my Wyoming neighbors would take care of their super volcano, it's bad enough we have to worry about the Wasatch fault here. Besides I haven't had the chance to visit Yellowstone yet and would like to before it blows up.

@ bigfoot and mike:

Thank you both for the info! I'm reading up about it right now!

edit/ after reading the articles, the one from mike is the one I ment, I have no idea how the late 1800's are attached to it in my memory...lol Mabe because of some bl/wh pictures that I saw when i first read about it.

I understand it's not the biggest concern for yellowstone, but I was just curious about it. Because it's such an active region...

[edit on 3/1/09 by ambushrocks]

There was one decent quake probably in the 2.0 to 2.3 range around 9:05 UTC this morning, and it hasn't been reported.

Ok, I just looked at the USGS list of active volcanoes that Violet posted earlier.
volcanoes.usgs.gov...

I have to comment on this. When I lived in Alaska for 12 years, I used to love to research and watch the volcanic and seismic info in our region. Never in the 12 years that I was there did I ever see a volcano have an advisory or even the activity yellowstone is showing but still remain "green" on the color scale. I am pretty sure that they are doing this to keep the public calm, actually I am 100% sure. Hopefully the volcano is just releasing some steam and pressure and will settle down shortly. Only time will tell. I do know one thing, I wouldn't be visiting there right now. I am glad I got my tour in there a few years ago.

Never in the 12 years that I was there did I ever see a volcano have an advisory or even the activity Yellowstone is showing but still remain "green" on the color scale.

I agree. My only thought (was thinking about this in bed last night) is that in the middle of such a deep recession they do not want to hurt the area economy by raising the alert level. I have seen volcanoes in AK be on the yellow list with a lot less seismic activity.

Corrected, yellow, not orange...

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Hate to spam, but LKWY is still showing activity way above the "norms" I have found on

theinterveners.org...