US Army Ready If The Downturn Gets Out Of Hand!

1786-1787 Shay's Rebellion
1794 Whiskey Rebellion

1973 Wounded Knee Incident
1992 Los Angeles Riots
1992 Hurricane Andrew
1993 Waco Siege
2001 September 11th attacks
2005 Hurricane Katrina

Thanks for the list. I assume it was simply to make your point about incidents which have occurred, and not your support for the flagrant shirting of the intent of the Posse Comitatus Act. I am sure you are aware, the military has a long standing practice of avoiding
involvement in civilian affairs which it believes are contrary to the Act, and which date
back to military acceptance of civilian authority since the founding of the Republic.
Fortunately Congress has recently readdressed the issue of said act in the Defense Authorization Act for FY 2006. The PCA is thankfully still of great concern to many.

Originally posted by WestPoint23

Forgive me for my apparent treachery, however a lack of civil order which threatens the functionality and even existence (as we know it) of the Union is very much something the military needs to be concerned with. After all, the number one priority of the Military is to defend the homeland from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

West Point guy.
I have followed and enjoyed many of your posts. I have noticed that you continually refer to the United States of America as the " Homeland " ( treachery)

Please bear in mind that I am a geezer and take great offense at such verbal propaganda. If you chose to enjoy the benefits of OUR COUNTRY reference it with the proper decorum.
The current state of affairs has placed many Americans in the position of US vs.THEM.
Any contingency plans on the part of the military to address civil disobedience must be viewed with great caution. Hysterical finger pointing only serves to distract from possible legitimate concerns. At the moment the only threat I see to the domestic tranquility resides in washington DC.

reply to post by Xwino


No connotation was implied, as such, there isn't an intention present. It is (now) an official term of the U.S. Government. But much like the reverse flag patch, some old timers might take exception.


[edit on 27-12-2008 by WestPoint23]

Originally posted by WestPoint23
reply to post by Xwino

 

No connotation was implied, as such, there isn't an intention present. It is (now) an official term of the U.S. Government. But much like the reverse flag patch, some old timers might take exception.

West-
You are to intelligent to not understand that there is indeed an ( official )"intention present " It represents the subversion of a philosophy. Just for fun, the next time someone asks where are you from, tell them " The Homeland "
My rant isn't germane to the OP so I'll stop, but thanks for your reply.

Originally posted by LowLevelMason
Sigh.

The military plans for all contingencies. All of them. They even have plans for what to do in case Canada invades the United States.

This doesn't mean the military believes the much fantasized and hoped for economic apocalypse is likely - they plan for ALL events, no matter how unlikely they may be.

Finally a fellow voice of reason. The Military does so many training excercises in the US boarder anyway. I remember JTF-6. We were allowed only to keep suspects where they were. Not arrest, if they chose to leave, they could have. We were only allowed to keep them from thinking they could, until the POLICE arrived. I think the problem everyone forgets is this: there are MANY more enlisted men and women than there are officers or politicians. THey are the only ones we have to worry about. Most of the officers, younger that is, will side with the enlisted in stating "I will not turn on my own people". Personal loyalty is greater than military and government loyalty in this day and age. Before it was always 'trust the government and military, they are always right' Now its more akin to "Im just here for college, not war" Bottom line, Economy is #, divorce rate is high, patriotism is at an all time low, but family still comes first.

Preparation is always a must, but they fail to see that about an easy 75% of the enlisted forces will say snip OFF! when it comes to turning on their own people friends and family. Especailly after fighting a #e war they know they shouldn't have faught, just to come home to fight another one. It will not happen. I think the all knowing war college forgot that factor. The military is spread FAR too thin, and 30,000 are leaving for afghanistan anyway. (according to inside sources) they cannot possibly spare any more. Its merely a contingency plan. As for seeing a civil war, we are Americans. In general, We are too easily side tracked by video games, telly, and brittany spears' arse to pay attention to whom the bad guy is.

Please don't circumvent the automatic censors
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[edit on 30-12-2008 by gallopinghordes]

I guess this time the US Army can be the British. We did it before, we can do it again.

I take it you work for the government then?

This has been set up even before FDR. We have had three planned military coups since 1933 to watergate in 1972 stopped in 1974. THREE......all three failed. I've followed all three and they are not reported in the history books....imagine that.

This is much ado about absolutely nothing. The Army War College is exactly what it says, it's a college. It carries no official capacity in any way. It trains future military people. And, it trains people that are both civilians, and foreign. It is not a secret, it is not covert, it is not an official function of the Army itself. As such, it creates all kinds of scenarios based loosely on "what if's". If they ask the question "What if....", that does not mean anything other than "what if". To assume it means anything other than what it actually says is where the conspiracies can run amok, and have many times here.

Secondly, there is no North American Union nor a desire by anyone in DC to have one. Pulling in all the poor of Mexico wouldn't do this country one bit of good. NAFTA does a good enough of a job doing that anyway. So, although NWO and NAU get tossed around a lot as the ultimate conspiracy, I've yet to find one person that can make a logical argument as to why the US would ever desire to be a part of either.

Thirdly, as cited in previous posts, the US Army has been used in domestic situations more than once. In all cases, the country didn't fall apart and in several cases, were fully supported by the citizenry due to the lawlessness of the rebels. The only time the country did fall apart, in 1861, it was not due to a specific military action.

So, once again, a person has to ignore the obvious in order to believe the fantasy.

Well I for one think the Military can start right now by putting lots of boots on the ground, AT THE BORDERS. Secure our borders! Go after those 20,000,000 plus illegals who are in the USA.

reply to post by tgambill


Watergate had nothing to do with a military coup, nor did anything else in the Nixon administration.

Originally posted by Critical_Mass
I could care less that the army THINKS they are ready since they also thought they were ready for Iraq and Afghanistan too, yet we all know how that panned out...

Eff the army!

Can you cite some military campaign in recorded history where everything has gone as planned, no losses were sustained on the "friendly side" and collateral damage was nonexistent? The Army(USMC, etc...) have done very well in Iraq/Afghanistan. That's not to say there aren't challenges, and set backs. By any measure of force on force exchange ratios, there's certainly no comparison between the insurgents/Taliban/Al Qaeda/etc... and the US/Coalition forces.

reply to post by Realtruth


By your standards, which administration since George Washington has followed the Constitution? The fact of the matter is that for a society to function, there has to be order. The only way to ensure order is for those who are appointed to office to have authority. When they don't govern the way we like, we have the option to not vote for them. It's not a perfect system, nor has there ever been(nor ever will be) a perfect system. It beats the heck out of citizens taking matters into their own hands, using violence.

In a regretful way, I agree about buying a gun. I own quite a few myself and sadly think that sooner,rather than later, they will be needed to protect my family. I don't think the military would have alot of luck disarming private citizens. Think about it, let's say for the sake of argument that there are 1 million soliders. Quite alot are going to either desert or flatly refuse to follow orders to harm fellow Americans. Now you have less than a million soliders, well armed i admit, against HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS, some better armed than them. Civil war all ovar again, with much higher casualties and damage.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
In a regretful way, I agree about buying a gun. I own quite a few myself and sadly think that sooner,rather than later, they will be needed to protect my family. I don't think the military would have alot of luck disarming private citizens. Think about it, let's say for the sake of argument that there are 1 million soliders. Quite alot are going to either desert or flatly refuse to follow orders to harm fellow Americans. Now you have less than a million soliders, well armed i admit, against HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS, some better armed than them. Civil war all ovar again, with much higher casualties and damage.

The military has no plans to disarm US citizens. The US military is made up of US citizens(most of which like/own guns themselves). Any scenario where the military would have to assist law enforcement, would be under extraordinary circumstances(none of which involve 1million soldiers vs. hundeds of millions of civilians).

reply to post by TheRandom1


I'm ON "the inside" and I can tell you with certainty that we prepare for a vast array of situations - each of highly varied chances of actually happening.

The US Army isn't on the "brink of being ready to take on the US", I don't care what your "people on the inside" are telling you. Look at our current strength and where we are. We're all over the damned place.

Stop falling sway to the alarmists who think we're just an extension of a President and we are mad and power hungry - ready to fight our own people at the drop of a hat.

Also - it's not polite to start calling other ATS members names, especially when you're obviously wrong.

EDIT TO ADD

Also - as much as I love this site - believe me... if something that major were being planned for - it would be slapped with a classification and you wouldn't see anything about it on this site - lol - until it had already happened.

[edit on 30-12-2008 by mf_luder]

Originally posted by TheRandom1
reply to post by LowLevelMason

 

And you can prove that I'm wrong?

The NAU may have a Canadian US war, prove me wrong, go ahead, try your best to tell me that's it's not possible.

Anything is possible.

-Lahara

We have plans to invade Andorra, Liechtenstein, and even the Vatican. But I suspect they have a lot of dust on them.

I have no doubt that the plans for internal use of the military are related to some other event. More likely is your local sheriff going door to door to collect firearms, as happened in New Orleans post-Katrina. I say any sheriff that would leave his county defenseless should be shot for violating the Constitution and his oath of office.

Originally posted by mf_luder
reply to post by TheRandom1

 

I'm ON "the inside" and I can tell you with certainty that we prepare for a vast array of situations - each of highly varied chances of actually happening.

The US Army isn't on the "brink of being ready to take on the US", I don't care what your "people on the inside" are telling you. Look at our current strength and where we are. We're all over the damned place.

Stop falling sway to the alarmists who think we're just an extension of a President and we are mad and power hungry - ready to fight our own people at the drop of a hat.

Also - it's not polite to start calling other ATS members names, especially when you're obviously wrong.

EDIT TO ADD

Also - as much as I love this site - believe me... if something that major were being planned for - it would be slapped with a classification and you wouldn't see anything about it on this site - lol - until it had already happened.

[edit on 30-12-2008 by mf_luder]

Mate, Although I do agree with most of what you stated. esp, the alarmists running all willy nilly trying to get everyone afraid. lol, no wonder the US has such a problem with disclosing UFO stuff to the public. But the only thing I see that I can disagree with is OPSEC. You cannot place full trust in it. YOU may do your job at non-disclosure of secured, and classified information, but not every member of the military, or airforce is like you. Trust in that. As shameful as it is, that is in fact, a fact. beyond that, inside, outside, you're an American either way right? you wave the same flag as everyone else. I have to agree that gets quite old.

Don't get sucked into the "Buy a gun now!! You'll need it!" idiocy. With the passing of time our skills of reason become all that better - until the point where its at an efficient optimum.

reply to post by LowLevelMason


In Canada we don't even have a military. We have about 20 planes and WW II tanks. Chuck Norris could wipe out our military in an afternoon.