Everyone Hates America....Dont they??

I'd say most everyone hates America. Most.

Worldwide, I suspect we're as popular as a dose of the clap.

Unless they need our money, or our blood to save their own.

Then we're just great!

Originally posted by haika
reply to post by alyosha1981

 

What do you mean with "love it or leave it"? Remember that there are a bunch of people in ATS that don't even live in the USA, let alone the whole American continent.

And I applaud your view on the country. Everyone should feel the same way about their own country. All those other GREAT countries in the world, many in which people are educated, know about other cultures, speak other languages and are not paranoid about terrorist attacks or their own government spying on them.....oh wait? That sounds like freedom, doesn't it?

Originally posted by Dermo:
Please.. someone from the US, just answer me this question intelligently ---> Who are all these people around the world that are oppressed, have no freedoms, liberties and pride in their countries that make you want to go on and on about how you are so lucky to have them??


To the first question I believe this sums up how I feel.
America — Love It or Leave It

by Harry Browne

April 25, 2003

Until the 20th century, America minded its own business. John Quincy Adams put it very simply: "America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy."

But today there are people living here who don't like the American tradition of peace and friendship. They want America to roam the world — attempting to right all the wrongs — no matter how often it fails to achieve its utopian goals.

To those people I say, "If you prefer constant aggression and conflict, why don't you go live in Lebanon?"

America was once the land where individual privacy and civil liberties were highly prized, where government had no power to pry into your political associations, your financial transactions, or your luggage.

But today there are those who don't like that American tradition. They say that national power and nation-building are more important than individualism and privacy.

To them I say, "If you prefer nosy government, why don't you go live in China?"

Insecurity

While European, Asian, and Middle Eastern nations fought their endless wars, perpetually invading and being invaded, causing their citizens to live in constant insecurity and fear, Americans could live happy, peaceful lives.

But some people don't want Americans to live that way. They like the state of siege the Bush administration has foisted on us.

To them I say, "If you prefer living in an insecure, armed state, why don't you go live in Israel?"

America was traditionally the land of free markets and free minds.

Now the politicians and bureaucrats want to control every aspect of our lives. Republicans and Democrats alike endorse the endless forms we must fill out, the government's takeover of medicine, and the myriad regulatory agencies.

To those who approve of that I say, "If you prefer big government, why don't you go live in Sweden?"

Americans were always skeptical of their government — and they still are. Polls routinely show politicians in lower repute than used-car dealers.

But today there are subversive voices telling us to support our government, right or wrong — telling us we must trust our President, even when it's obvious he's been dispensing false information — telling us to cheer for the military, even when they're in the wrong place.

To those who claim we must support our Glorious Leader no matter what he does, I say, "If you prefer blind obedience, why don't you go live in Iran?"

The Pot Attacks

What is truly strange is that these critics of the American way of life — people who prefer the alien values of the Old World — have the audacity to criticize those of us who love America — calling us, of all things, "un-American," "unpatriotic," or "anti-American."

Supposedly it is now naïve, unrealistic, or cowardly to believe in the uniqueness of America. So we are attacked for trying to preserve and restore the very qualities that made America the world's most attractive country.

After all, if we aren't going to be that unique place called America — the place that was once the beacon of liberty and peace, providing light and hope and inspiration to the whole world — what's the point of living here?

The critics of America may try to wrap themselves in the American flag, but their allegiance is actually to some other flag. I don't know where they'd be happiest, but it obviously isn't America.

So to those people I say: America — love it or leave it.

This also answers the second question and it is how I feel, I would also like to comment on the American people who would take all that this great country has to offer yet give nothing in return, those who ride the welfare "system" for years on end but refuse to work thus allowing law abiding tax paying citizens to foot the bill for their miserable existience and keep reproducing so the cycle never ends, they are a cancer on our society and only fuel the fire as many of them are the gov bashers that criticize the country for being so bad yet won't do anything to better the future for their children. I love the USA good or bad and I feel like I am free, now by free I don't mean that I can do whatever I want as everything has it's limits, I mean that I am free to persue life liberty and happiness, and that is what I do as do many millions and millions of other Americans.

reply to post by dangleb3rry


The only Korean's who really don't like the idea of American troops on their soil are the young college generation kids, I had the pleasure of being thanked by the older Korean citizen's who were actually alive during the Korean war They want us there it's not our fault that the children are being taught that America is tramping on their right to be their own country, even though the number of American troops there is less then 30000 the fact that their there adds to the reason why ol Kim Jong and his hordes don't take a little trip south.

reply to post by alyosha1981


Here's the problem, and I hope you take it just as I intend it, with humility.

As the gears turn, different nations at different times are seemingly given more power than most others.

With this increase in power is more responsibility.

Responsibility not to abuse that power just because you have it.

Responsibility to help others less powerful.

And responsibility to not fear using that power when deemed necessary.

The US has done all three. Our trick is balancing the effort.

We truly do not use that power with evil intention. Sometimes we simply make a mistake - a human characteristic - in judgement.

Listen

You and I are all under the spell of a powerful elite who are (funny enough) not even based in the U.S.

It is not your fault your media is corrupt and is spoon-feeding you lies every minute of every day
It is not your fault you are led to believe that your military is fighting just causes abroad
It is not your fault your educational system instills a sense of national pride in you from the age of three
It is not your fault that same educational system seems to be failing (by design)
It is not your fault that you think you are free (to choose)

You are meant to spend
You are meant to love your country
You are meant to support wars and feed the cannons

It does become personal and your fault when you are explicitly shown the strings attached to your shoulders and you still choose to bury yourselves into that lazy boy, preferring to watch the World Series with a cold one rather than putting the dots together regardless of the endless propaganda waves. Breaking free is hard but not impossible because our true common enemy is starting to come into plain view more each day, and people are actually starting to wake from their slumber. Coming to this forum is a step into the right direction, I´ll give you that. Please do not become glued to the screen though, the real world is out there waiting for your help. At least prepare for possible drastical changes.

PS:
John Fitzgerald was not killed because he wanted to withdraw from Vietnam or end the C.I.A.. He was killed because of his EO 11110 amending EO 10289: "SECTION 1. Executive Order No. 10289 of September 19, 1951, as amended, is hereby further amended - (a) By adding at the end of paragraph 1 thereof the following subparagraph (j): "(j) The authority vested in the President by paragraph (b) of section 43 of the Act of May 12, 1933, as amended (31 U.S.C. 821 (b)), to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury not then held for redemption of any outstanding silver certificates, to prescribe the denominations of such silver certificates, and to coin standard silver dollars and subsidiary silver currency for their redemption," and (b) By revoking subparagraphs (b) and (c) of paragraph 2 thereof." thus empowering the US Treasury to make (gasp) THEIR OWN MONEY backed by silver without going through the Federal Reserve.

His clear intention was to lower the deficit and end the Federal Reserve´s strangle hold on the U.S., and ultimately terminate the central bank all together. EO 11110 stands as is today, with no President in their right minds daring to implement it. Dare Obama and see what happens. Find your own sources.

Almost 200 years after his death, Mayer Amschel Rotschild is hysterically laughing at all of us from his grave, going "!אתה טיפש כבשים! תראו אותם (You stupid sheep, look at you) hihihaaarghhaaahahahaha............."

MoonMine

I forgot: I do not hate Americans nor Jews nor anyone else. Not even the Elite. I must admire them for their creation but they will go down if I can help it.

And: Merry Christmas & try to stop spending on credit

[edit on 24-12-2008 by MoonMine]

In my personal OPINION i think that the Americans, are a bunch of tools. and i also think that they have been calling there country the land of the free home of the brave, just a little bit too long.
i know this statement might piss some ppl off but its my opinion. and you are in tilted to your own opinion

Originally posted by mf_luder

2) My point with the not caring is that they are two different situations - on the one hand, you say the Americans you talked to were arrogant and you feel Americans are arrogant.

Definitely not all. TBH, anytime I have been in the US, I have commented on how nice the majority of people are.
BUT -> The vast majority had delusions about how the rest of the world functioned and believed that the US was light years ahead of everywhere else in almost every aspect. A good few were even bragging about how great the US military is and that if anyone does something the US does not agree with.. the US military will "blow them off the map".

Also, my visits to the US were where I spotted the propaganda and conditioning I have been talking about. It hit me in the face the minute I got off the plane in the form of a billboard promoting being in the Military as a great privilege, again anytime I was watching tv, reading any publications etc. Obviously this is going to be happening during wartime.. but this is the point I have been making all along - The US has been at war for the last 50 odd years so there are 2-3 generations of people subjected to non stop propaganda.. obviously the mindset of US people would have been conditioned by the US government.

Now hopefully you realize im not making all this stuff up or passing on what I have heard, I am just writing factual first hand observations.

reply to post by alyosha1981


That doesn't make very much sense at all and you didn't answer my question.


Also, might i add.

Wasn't the US borne of war? On multiple fronts against multiple enemies? Just because it took a short break doesn't mean anything.

Also again, didn't the US get involved in 'Foreign' wars in the last century simply because the revenue generated would power boost its economy & Status as western leader? Whether or not the US was asked to partake does not matter.

reply to post by intrepid


Exactly. I love this Country but, I am not always proud of things that does happen here but, in the end the good many times outweighs the problems mostly due to the generosity of some. As for leaders, yeah I believe as you do about leadership. At 35 I don't think I've seen many politicians that gives a rat's a** about this country.

526 bridges are at extreme risk for collapsing in South Carolina due to poor infrastructure, faulty designs, age. I would rather halt the nation building/tearing down and worry about our own people. That is just one point among many.

I wonder about the reason they wave those flags about all the time and go off on yet another tirade claiming they have freedoms that nobody else has and banging on about supposedly being the best at this , that or the other . Is it normal ? I don't know if it's indoctrination at work or just a common theme running through much of the american mindset . Maybe it is the way they think, they are more idealistic and asperational against european pragmatism and cynicism . They have 'american dreams' and 'yes we can's ' ..so its a kind of bizarre pseudo reality where they clutch at anything to reinforce that perception or aspiration , even if it is common place in many other nations, and claim it as peculiar to the US alone and indicative of the superiority of american society . They seem to do this to boister their conviction of the paradigm , but it is done to an extent well beyond what could be considered normal . It is well weird thou .

Edit : couldn't spell cynicism .

[edit on 25-12-2008 by Drexl]

nyarlathotep

America huh? Would that be North America, Central America, or South America? Nearly the entire Western Hemisphere is comprised of Americans. Sorry, it's just one of my pet peeves thinking that people from the US are the only "Americans".

The Americas are made up of 32 countries,but only one has America in its name.Which one do you think I'm talking about?




seagull

America is an ideal and a dream to many, why else would so many risk life and limb to get here, not only theirs, but their childrens, too. Streets of gold, manna from heaven.

I've always liked the American can-do attitude.I just don't think its wise to call it a dream,coz,y'know,at some point in time you have to wake up....




dooper

We truly do not use that power with evil intention. Sometimes we simply make a mistake - a human characteristic - in judgement.

Thats a very naieve generalization.You telling me people like Dick Cheney have no evil intentions?



[edit on 25-12-2008 by DantesLost]

I do not get how they are not embarrassed about it , it is the sort of thing you could do if you are drunk, boasting continuously . When you get sober you would hope it all goes away and people forget about it . But they do not have those kind of reservations and happily continue regardless . There will always be people like this , anywhere you go , but to have so many in abundance in one nation is very strange . There must be some elements of deviant social engineering present to produce such anomalies in characteristics .

reply to post by DantesLost


I know what country you were talking about, I was being petty. But in my defense, the title of your thread does not specify whether you were referring to America as a country or continent. Your title says: Everyone hates America....don't they? Like I said, I was being petty, arguing semantics, my apologies.

The other thing I don't get . They all love their troops in US , they defend then profoundly at every opportunity . But while I can understand that as a subjective point of view , I do not understand why they berate people of other nations for not also holding those views . Nobody cared about what the german suffered when they invaded Poland, nobody cared about the russians when they invaded afghanistan .

I do not understand why there must be set aside special reservations of concern for US troops when they do the same thing . Why should anybody of non US extract have any concern ? If anyone is to say .. look, good, an 'insurgent' killed an occupier , as i have seen on here , then they are all up in arms about it . I cannot really see what is wrong with somebody defending their country and trying to rid it of occupiers .

I find it very strange to see the yelps of discontent shown when anybody says anything like this . When the europeans invaded for imperial reasons , it was standard fare that their troops were there for the benefit of their country alone , can you imagine the french berating the english for laughing if any of them died trying to keep hold of egypt ?. No , nor would the english be surprised if the french laughed at english losses in the Sudan . But with Amerca, we all got to be unhappy if they lose anyone in their imperial endeavours . And I don't know why .

I don't hate americans! but sometimes i hate everyone, but then i want to save everyone so -

basically America is the best country in the world and the most powerful. everyone hates us because we are a better more powerfull country than they are and they are jealous. end of story dont even bother arguing. we have the largest GDP in the world, the most sophisticated military which is also the most powerful military..... basically we are the best

reply to post by BAZ752

Blueracer,
Your statements are just the kind of hog-wash that bring about all this anti-Americanism. You state a bunch of gibberish about other countries but I would be willing to bet you have done very limited (if any) travel outside the US. Which brings me to my main point; most Americans have had little (if any) exposure to other cultures and are brainwashed with this holier than thou attitude, like we have some great thing going on here. Well let me enlighten you. I'm a "yank" and I have lived in 2 other countries in the civilian world for about 6 years total, and we are one of the most controlled societies on the planet. The time when the US was the land of the free are long gone. We have more laws enacted with each passing year, and ergo more government control over our lives every year. As a society, we are increasingly intolerant of anyone who is a bit different, and we are getting ever more effective at policing our own "individuals" and making them uncomfortable about "dancing to the beat of a different drummer", yet still boast about how free we are, it's a load of crap. Any European country you can name has a freer society than ours, including the UK with all their video surveillance, and they are generally a lot less uptight about the socially "different" among them. I think the reason for this is they do have more exposure to other cultures, and a much better ability to laugh at themselves instead of being a bunch of pompous self righteous tight asses like we are so good at breeding here. And don't tell me to leave if I don't like it, my comments are just the kind of thing we need to see in ourselves and get to work losing. The rest of the world has no shortage of valid reasons to think we're a bunch of assholes, a lot of us are just that because they think like you do.

Originally posted by footfall
basically America is the best country in the world and the most powerful. everyone hates us because we are a better more powerfull country than they are and they are jealous. end of story dont even bother arguing. we have the largest GDP in the world, the most sophisticated military which is also the most powerful military..... basically we are the best

this is exactly the kind of arrogance that people in other countries do not like.

a little modesty is a good thing.

reply to post by resistancia


well you will be glad to know that we wont be able to brag much longer bc the illegal immigrants from Mexico are ruining this country