Everyone Hates America....Dont they??

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Everybody sees what they want and it does not make it real no matter who writes the history books

Because in the end somebody will yell out propaganda!

Huh? So...it is debatable how long the war has lasted and how many soldiers have died? I am sorry, I was going with the facts. What did you want to go with?

Originally posted by Iblis Smiley


Huh? So...it is debatable how long the war has lasted and how many soldiers have died? I am sorry, I was going with the facts. What did you want to go with?

No some will call the Iraqi Government a puppet others will say the US was forced to leave the scenarios are endless.

Heck some people believe hardly any jews died in German Death camps. Not to mention 9/11 conspiracy blah blah blah yadda yadda

Everybody will believe what they want to believe!

SLAYER69

The war in Iraq is pretty much done, Get over that fact!

Yeah,and according to Bush and your government this war was over in May 2003.Remember the 'Mission Accomplished' speech?

The new Iraqi Government is now taking the raines and will run the show from now on get over that fact.

You mean the new Iraq puppet government right?
And have you not heard the news that the US want to send 30,000 troops to Afghanistan? Another country with no proper military who has held off coalition forces for years.

4000 soldiers dead in 6 years yeah a shame I agree, far cry though from Vietnam, Korea, and WWII get over that fact.

You seem to be missing the fact that the enemy forces in Korea and WW2 had a proper standing army,with plenty of weapons.

Whereas the Vietnam forces were similar to the Iraq/Afghanistan fighters of today.Yet the war lasted over 10yrs,resulting in a humiliating US defeat.

So I can see the comparisons there.But to compare Korea,and especially WW2,with Iraq,is just laughably ignorant.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
No some will call the Iraqi Government a puppet others will say the US was forced to leave the scenarios are endless.

Heck some people believe hardly any jews died in German Death camps. Not to mention 9/11 conspiracy blah blah blah yadda yadda

Everybody will believe what they want to believe!

I am not sure what thread you are reading but all I ever mentioned was the amount of dead soldiers and length of the war, as that is what was being referred to in the original post that started all this. I really have no clue where you are going with all this other stuff but you cannot debate the years and lives spent there. That is all I have. Go start a fight with someone else.

Originally posted by DantesLost


You mean the new Iraq puppet government right?
And have you not heard the news that the US want to send 30,000 troops to Afghanistan? Another country with no proper military who has held off coalition forces for years.

Exactly! Holding off coalition forces for years

One down and a second one on its way

Oh and when Bush was talking about mission accomplished he meant Saddams Army was done.

Originally posted by SLAYER69


Exactly! Holding off coalition forces for years

You cannot be this oblivious, can you? And by the way...

One down and a second one on its way

Oh and when Bush was talking about mission accomplished he meant Saddams Army was done.

+

Everybody will believe what they want to believe!

does not = "Major combat operations in Iraq are over."

reply to post by Iblis Smiley


We could do this all night long no body really cares.
At least I don't. I enjoy ATS for entertainment purposes only in the end I'll sleep good tonight

Peace
SLAY

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by Iblis Smiley

 

We could do this all night long no body really cares.
At least I don't. I enjoy ATS for entertainment purposes only in the end I'll sleep good tonight

Peace
SLAY

Well, maybe you can do it all night. I am not sure what it is. I brought up some facts. You don't like them so you decide to interpret them. Unfortunately, they are still the facts that they are no matter how you respond to them. Sorry but that is how it works. So if pretending the facts and reality are not there so you can get to sleep at night is what it takes, sweet dreams.

reply to post by SLAYER69

Exactly! Holding off coalition forces for years

One down and a second one on its way

Ok,you lost me on the first point.
If a country with no proper standing army has held off forces with state of the art weapons and properly trained soldiers,then its a clear sign that you aint winning.

As to your 2nd point,how dumb are you?
Iraq is going to explode into a full scale civil war as soon as the coalition forces leave.No war has been won,its still on going,but people like you believe too much in the BS to even see that.

If you think I'm talking rubbish then name one country that America has gone into and successfully installed a democratic government,that stands on its own,that is.

You won't find one.And why?
Because the US only installs US friendly puppet regimes.
Its a tactic that has been used for centuries.

Originally posted by Iblis Smiley

Well, maybe you can do it all night. I am not sure what it is. I brought up some facts. You don't like them so you decide to interpret them. Unfortunately, they are still the facts that they are no matter how you respond to them. Sorry but that is how it works. So if pretending the facts and reality are not there so you can get to sleep at night is what it takes, sweet dreams.

I will thank you,
But first it's time to crack open a cold one and fire up the BBQ

reply to post by DantesLost


I'm kind of jumping into the middle of an argument here, but to directly address your question...

Um...

Germany?
South Korea?
Japan?

I wasn't aware these three sovereign nations were "US Puppet Governments." Then again - I think I was asleep during that part of college history.....

Returning to the topic for a moment.Having travelled to a few countries (including the U.S.) my take on this would be that people are the same the world over,that is some good,some bad.The problem is that the rest of the western world gets the garbage aspect of american culture forced upon us,which does not portray the average american in a good light.
I think Americans have deluded themselves into thinking the rest of the world want to be like them,sorry not the case.The people who are desperate to migrate to the states do so for economic reasons not cultural ones.I don't think you can even try that"land of the free" sh*t any more no one is buying it.
So to say everyone hates america/americans is wrong,you would not use the word hate against an obnoxious,disruptive and aggressive child would you? you hope that the child will grow out of it one day.

but hey thanks for rock and roll music.._javascript:icon('')

reply to post by mf_luder


Japan had a parliament and voting system before the Military dictatorship.(1932-1945)Democracy was not installed after the war by th US,it was not a new concept.

Germany also had a democratic voting system before the war,ever heard of the Weimar Republic?

In South Korea the Provisional Government of the Republic of Korea was established in Shanghai,China 1919,in an aftermath of March 1st Movement,which coordinated the Liberation effort and resistance against Japanese control.This group founded the start of the South Korean parliamentry system,not the US.

Originally posted by ho chi minh
The problem is that the rest of the western world gets the garbage aspect of american culture forced upon us,which does not portray the average american in a good light.

If it makes the rest of the western world feel any better we get the garbage aspect of American culture forced upon us as well. Despite the television line-ups, not all of us are drunken fools that like to make asses out of ourselves in reality shows. Nor do we all live the way they show it in sitcoms. I think many people around the world have a distorted view of who and what Americans actually are and I blame Hollywood and our government for that.

I think Americans have deluded themselves into thinking the rest of the world want to be like them,sorry not the case.

It is my sincere hope that the rest of the world wants to be like me, an American, just as much as I want to be like the rest of the world. (That would be not at all.)

The people who are desperate to migrate to the states do so for economic reasons not cultural ones.I don't think you can even try that"land of the free" sh*t any more no one is buying it.

I'm sure there are many people who are "desperate to migrate" as you put it for reasons other than economic ones. People who come to the US to get away from the oppression of their home countries come immediately to mind. So yes, we are more free than a lot of places. For instance, I don't have to be segregated from the male population, don't have to keep my face covered at all times, and if I get raped the law won't consider it my fault while letting my rapist run free.

Seems to me like we have loads of freedoms that some places don't have, but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the rest of the world is utopia and all the oppression and violence that I hear about daily going on in other parts of the world is just made up to make me think the world is going to hell in a hand basket and that I have it pretty good here. Are there places that have more/different freedoms than the US? Most likely. Does that mean that we don't have any freedoms? Absolutely not.

So to say everyone hates america/americans is wrong,you would not use the word hate against an obnoxious,disruptive and aggressive child would you? you hope that the child will grow out of it one day.

Depends. Has that "obnoxious, disruptive and aggressive child" kicked you personally in the shins? Or have you only received second-hand biased stories about said child kicking someone else in the shins? If it's the former, than yeah I'd say most people would use the word hate. If it's the latter, most people would just shake their heads and wonder why the parents haven't taught the kid better manners.

But in keeping with your analogy, who would be the parents of the US? Should they be getting a slap on the wrist for not keeping their child in check? Should we be put in time out now since some don't like our behavior? Or should the rest of the world come to terms with the fact that they aren't always going to like what we do or how we do it, just as we don't always approve of what other countries are doing or how they do it?

Originally posted by footfall
reply to post by Dermo

 

o wow irish? now there is a great country! hahahaha wow more like the worst country in europe

blaa blaa blaa blaa blaa blaa blaa blaa blaa blaa.

Its not like we haven't been listening to all that # from dick heads since we were old enough to understand it.

Just as a matter of interest - check this out >>>

In 2008, Ireland has the fifth highest gross domestic product per capita and the seventh gross domestic product per capita considering purchasing power parity,[7][8] and has the fifth highest Human Development Index rank in the world. The country also boasts the highest quality of life in the world, ranking first in the Economist Intelligence Unit’s Quality-of-life index. Ireland was ranked sixth on the Global Peace Index. Ireland also has high rankings for its education system, political freedom and civil rights, press freedom and economic freedom; it was also ranked fourth from the bottom on the Failed States Index, being one of the few "sustainable" states in the world.

Link

You were saying???


So you don't like my country.. great. Whoop Di Doo.

What is probably annoying you about it is that each person in my country is NOT in $34,573.44 debt to our governments for the simple reason that we are so stupid we can't control ourselves....

BTW if you're incapable of having an intelligent conversation then don't bother replying.

Also, it would be handy if you could learn how to spell and use punctuation.. decent grammar would also pass you off as being somewhat less of an idiot. It would also make it easier to read your stupid comments.


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I sorta hate Central and South America.

Except for maybe tequila and Salma Hayek:

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Does that count?

Everyone hates America? I would imagine some do. I would also imagine most to not hate America. One has to remember what it is to be American and how we got where we are and got as big as we did. It might all revolve around competition. In our way of life competition is everywhere. We have the democrats and republicans competing. There is free trade where all business is encouraged to compete. Nature itself is one big competition to reproduce. With competition you get more than one side of things. One extreme against the other. In posts when people seem to be degrading America or criticizing it maybe its not that they are hating it , maybe they are actually helping America and what it stands for by allowing competition so the greatest Idea survives at the end so the country would in theory would be filled with better and better ideas every time people have a discussion.

Originally posted by riff_raff
I sorta hate Central and South America.

Except for maybe tequila and Salma Hayek
Does that count?

It counts for squat. Actually, Mexico is part of North America. , so....I'm guessing that you sorta hate part of North America, all of Central America and all of South America, right?

And then, according to the OP, the rest of the world hates only part of North America?

haika,

Ok, so I'm geographically challenged. But Salma is half Mexican and half Lebanese, so cut me some slack. Besides, I promise to make up for it by hating Canada, hating most of Mexico (except for my favorite Baja surf spots), and thoroughly hating Vermont, Massachusetts, New York, Michigan, San Francisco and Cal Berkeley.

Now, I dare you to challenge my hatred!

Originally posted by DantesLost
Japan had a parliament and voting system before the Military dictatorship.(1932-1945)Democracy was not installed after the war by th US

Germany also had a democratic voting system before the war,ever heard of the Weimar Republic?

Roll up your sleeves and read up on MacArthur and Eisenhower

I think you'll be surprised.

The new constitution would not have been written the way it was had MacArthur and his staff allowed Japanese politicians and constitutional experts to resolve the issue as they wished. The document's foreign origins have, understandably, been a focus of controversy since Japan recovered its sovereignty in 1952. Yet in late 1945 and 1946, there was much public discussion on constitutional reform, and the MacArthur draft was apparently greatly influenced by the ideas of certain Japanese liberals. The MacArthur draft did not attempt to impose a United States-style presidential or federal system. Instead, the proposed constitution conformed to the British model of parliamentary government, which was seen by the liberals as the most viable alternative to the European absolutism of the Meiji Constitution.

Linky here

The Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany (German: Grundgesetz für die Bundesrepublik Deutschland) is the constitution[1] of Germany. It was formally approved on May 8, 1949 and, with the signature of the Allies, came into effect on May 23, 1949 as the de facto constitution of West Germany.

Another linky


no they didnt create or introduce it but they sure as heck guided them

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