Teacher tells 7 year-olds Santa's Fake.

reply to post by tezzajw


Teachers are not out there to teach their veiw points. They are there to teach the basics, so that when those kids do go out on their own, they can form their own opinions about life. It`s not up to the teacher to form it for them. I here and read so much about how kids are to go to school so that they can have their minds molded. Molded into what? Molded into what only one side thinks they should believe in? You just took away their freedom of choice, and threw away free will. NOT a good thing to do.

Originally posted by FiatLux
Teachers are not out there to teach their veiw points.

Yeah, I know that teachers are gagged. They have to teach other people's viewpoints, while being restrained from providing their own.

They are there to teach the basics, so that when those kids do go out on their own, they can form their own opinions about life.

The basics are that Santa is fake.

I agree with you, this should be taught.

With that over and done with, we can all look forward to argue for 24+ pages on the next thread about nothing!

reply to post by tezzajw


"Yeah, I know that teachers are gagged. They have to teach other people's viewpoints, while being restrained from providing their own."

Wow, a very logical statement, teaching 2+2=4 is someone elses viewpoint. How brilliant.

"The basics are that Santa is fake.

I agree with you, this should be taught."

Again, another wise and well thought out statement. What`s next, a world where no one can have a differing opinion? Yes, that works well with free will, doesn`t it?


"With that over and done with, we can all look forward to argue for 24+ pages on the next thread about nothing!"

Nothing? It`s people like you telling us that we don`t have the right to our own viewpoint about this subject that makes this worth it.

Let me ask you this. What if tomorrow, in another school some where in this big world of ours, a different teacher does just the opposite, and screams outloud at the other kids that, yes, there is a Santa Claus. Would that teacher be in the right? In my opinion, no, it`s not their place to force their opinions on the kids, just as the other teacher didn`t have that right. These kids will grow up to form their own opinions, they don`t need schools or teachers forcing opinions on them, and making them feel bad if they differ from theirs. Like I said, teach the kids that they can have an opinion of their own, and not be afraid to do so.







[edit on 14-12-2008 by FiatLux]

My daughter is 4 and she knows Santa is a coca-cola fabrication....but 7 years old...were the kids mentally handicapped lol

I say : GOOD FOR HIM!!!

We complain because the news media and our government and all that power over us do not tell us the truth.
And then we go and lie to our children about a 'PAGAN' IDOL for the first 10 years of their lives!!!
If you knew the true 'origins' of 'christmas', you might not ever celibrate it again!! The Father in Heaven hates 'christmas' it is the way of the 'Nicholatans' that the Book of Revelations talk about.
Every aspect of 'chrismas' comes from pagan roots!! The hollyday, existed for thousands of years before the "Messiah" walked amongst us! It was called 'Saturnalia' until it was 'christianized' just in the last few hundred years.
The Messiah was not born in Dec. but more likely in Sept. or Oct. and "IF" the Father wanted us to celibrate His birthday, He would have told us to do so. Every 'birthday' in the Scriptures brings death and dispare! It is a 'high day' thou...in 'Satanism'!

christmas is pagan! Read Jeremiah 10:1-10 that is the xmas tree, without doubt. But most importantly are the first words of these passages! DO NOT LEARN THE WAY OF THE HEATHEN!!!
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
Merlin

reply to post by Jkd Up


To everyone with the "it's just the truth" argument:

You know what's also the truth?

That you can kill a person in a split second by ripping out their trachea, that some people like to eat other people, and that to make babies, boys insert their penises into girls' vaginas.

It's easy to confuse truth with "good", but much of it isn't, and I challenge any one of you who has kids or will have kids in the future to open your children up to all the "wonderful" truth out there. You wouldn't do it, of course, and you'd be angry if someone else decided to do it for you.

We live in a society where children are allowed a long period of innocence, during which we consider them unready to hear many, many, MANY truths. We trust teachers to understand and respect that practice, and those who don't shouldn't be teaching.

"If you don't love, lie to me..." I understand the kiddies were upset, because they are at the age where many believe in fairytales. Their parents, again, probably should have rather used the incident to come clean with the truth, instead of going the common way of getting rid of the exposer.

Or maybe, they should have used some imagination and play santa themselves, so the kiddies can hang on the legend, while yet knowing that it is just a dress-up. My parents did that , and my only superstition (to the World) is that i believe that God is alive as the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost (there are some "christians" that refuse to believe THAT one).

But Merlin two postings up, is correct: it is written that we should not learn the way of the heathen, and "christmas" is nothing about "Christ" at all - everything about idolatry and currently, Mammon.

[edit on 2008/12/14 by J.Smit]

O for hells sake Santa is real or was has everyone here forgotten about ST Nick

Saint Nicholas (Greek: Άγιος Νικόλαος , Agios Nikolaos, "victory of the people") (270 - December 6, 346) is the common name for Nicholas of Myra, a saint and Bishop of Myra (in Lycia, part of modern-day Turkey). Because of the many miracles attributed to his intercession, he is also known as Nicholas the Wonderworker. He had a reputation for secret gift-giving, such as putting coins in the shoes of those who left them out for him, and is now commonly identified with Santa Claus. His reputation evolved among the faithful, as was the custom in his time.[2] In 1087, his relics were furtively translated to Bari, in southern Italy; for this reason, he is also known as Nicholas of Bari.

In his most famous exploit however, a poor man had three daughters but could not afford a proper dowry for them. This meant that they would remain unmarried and probably, in absence of any other possible employment would have to become prostitutes. Hearing of the poor man's plight, Nicholas decided to help him but being too modest to help the man in public, (or to save the man the humiliation of accepting charity), he went to his house under the cover of night and threw three purses (one for each daughter) filled with gold coins through the window opening into the man's house. One version has him throwing one purse for three consecutive nights. Another has him throw the purses over a period of three years, each time the night before one of the daughters comes "of age". Invariably, the third time the father lies in wait, trying to discover the identity of their benefactor. In one version the father confronts the saint, only to have Saint Nicholas say it is not him he should thank, but God alone. In another version, Nicholas learns of the poor man's plan and drops the third bag down the chimney instead; a variant holds that the daughter had washed her stockings that evening and hung them over the embers to dry, and that the bag of gold fell into the stocking. For his help to the poor, Nicholas is the patron saint of pawnbrokers; the three gold balls traditionally hung outside a pawnshop symbolize the three sacks of gold. People then began to suspect that he was behind a large number of other anonymous gifts to the poor, using the inheritance from his wealthy parents. After he died, people in the region continued to give to the poor anonymously, and such gifts were still often attributed to St. Nicholas.

So Technically Santa is/was real in a way
anyway i think people should let kids believe what they want to believe in

VIVA SANTA

For more info on
Santa Claus/St Nicholas

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by FiatLux

Originally posted by tezzajw
The basics are that Santa is fake.
I agree with you, this should be taught.

Again, another wise and well thought out statement. What`s next, a world where no one can have a differing opinion? Yes, that works well with free will, doesn`t it?

What other opinion is there?

Santa is fake. Has that registered for you yet? Santa does not exist. Santa does not fly around the world in a sleigh with flying reindeer, leaving most children presents on the night of the 24th of December.

It is true that Santa is fake. What's your problem understanding that?

Santa is fake, get over it!

Telling your kids that Santa & the Easter Bunny are real is lieing to them, and I look at it as a breach of trust. Why can't they just have it as a game of make believe? Kids can get pretty exicted over make believe stuff.

I felt really let down when I discovered the scam, and this was why I decided that I would not lie to my kids.

Simply put. It was not the teachers right to tell the kids what she did.
They are children and would have grown out of it. I`d like to know what enjoyment she got out of it, the idiot.
If the parents want the kids to think there is a Santa, it is not the right of that idiot teacher to say otherwise. I`ve never heard of any child growing up to be a mass Santa murderer.
The teacher was simply being a bigheaded idiot.

Originally posted by Jkd Up

Teacher tells 7 year-olds Santa's Fake.

www.foxnews.com

Outraged parents were sent a letter saying the substitute teacher at Blackshaw Lane Primary School in Royton, Greater Manchester, had been disciplined.

The class of 25 allegedly became rowdy talking about Santa Claus and the teacher blurted out that he did not exist in an effort to calm them down,

(visit the link for the full news article)

So do sheeple still teach their sheeplets this Santa rubbish? I guess they can't offer their children the wonderment of love that they have to invent crap that was passed to them! Anyone that keeps this rubbish going wants to have their head examined for 'brains'

Santa isnt real... thats a fact. why not teach it? Education systems are to be factual, thats actually the law in most states... to be factually accurate.

3 days.

24 pages of posts.

you people are:

A) babbling about the most incsonequential debate in history...

or

B) actually discussing the most important issue in life..
lying to our children about /and/or/believing ourselves in- mythological beings.. -"good-or-bad?"

let the games continue...

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Originally posted by Waitingsolong
Simply put. It was not the teachers right to tell the kids what she did.

So you don't want your children's teachers teaching the truth?

SANTA WAS REAL YOU INCESSANT BAND OF BABBLING BABOONS
SANTA IS ALSO REAL IF YOU BELIVE IN HIM
IF YOU DONT WANT SANTA IN YOUR CUTE LITTLE UNIVERSE FINE STOP BLOODY GOING ON IF SANTA IS REAL OR NOT
AND IF YOU HAVENT NOTICED ALREADY ONE OF THE WORLDS GREATEST PROBLEMS IS NOT AGREEING WITH EACH OTHER
WEATHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT THERE WAS A SANTA CALLED ST NICK AND THAT IS THE ORGIN OF SANTA YOU NUT CASES
SANTA IS REAL TO ME AND IM 17 AND I DONT GIVE A HOOT IF YOU CARE OR NOT

Originally posted by Jkd Up

Teacher tells 7 year-olds Santa's Fake.

www.foxnews.com

Outraged parents were sent a letter saying the substitute teacher at Blackshaw Lane Primary School in Royton, Greater Manchester, had been disciplined.

The class of 25 allegedly became rowdy talking about Santa Claus and the teacher blurted out that he did not exist in an effort to calm them down,

(visit the link for the full news article)

Actually, the school authorities are being consistent. Perpetuating the myth of Santa Claus is no different than perpetuating the myth of Evolution.

reply to post by J.Smit


"If you don't love, lie to me..." I understand the kiddies were upset, because they are at the age where many believe in fairytales. Their parents, again, probably should have rather used the incident to come clean with the truth, instead of going the common way of getting rid of the exposer."

So one must not love their children first to be able to tell their children about Santa? In your mind maybe, not everyone elses. My parents told me about Santa, later i found out that he was just a story. Was I let down? No, not in the least, because by the age I was at when I knew that Santa was just a story, I understood the meaning behind the story. I loved my parents even more for telling me the story. That is why I passed it down to my kids, and they have passed it on from there. Will my grandkids stop passing it on, maybe, it`s up to them if they do or don`t. It`s not your business or mine one way or the other. I love my children, that`s why I told them the story.

"I understand the kiddies were upset, because they are at the age where many believe in fairytales. Their parents, again, probably should have rather used the incident to come clean with the truth, instead of going the common way of getting rid of the exposer."

The exposer had no right to tell these kids what what they did. What part of that don`t you understand? It`s a parents right to be able to tell their kids about Santa, just as it is the right of other parents not to.

"Or maybe, they should have used some imagination and play santa themselves, so the kiddies can hang on the legend, while yet knowing that it is just a dress-up."

I remember my oldest brother playing the part when I was young, it didn`t bother me one bit, I loved him for it as much as I did my parents.

"My parents did that , and my only superstition (to the World) is that i believe that God is alive as the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost (there are some "christians" that refuse to believe THAT one)."

So you feel that God is a superstition then? Let me get this straight, you believe in a superstition then, right? I thought superstitions were something made up.

"But Merlin two postings up, is correct: it is written that we should not learn the way of the heathen, and "christmas" is nothing about "Christ" at all - everything about idolatry and currently, Mammon."

Ahhh yes, just as we are to believe that our money is real, and it is a must have in order to exist in this reality. Money is our new God, right? Money we do not see, just as we do not see God. And the Fed is Jesus, the son of Money/God. Who is the heathen, the money believer, or the Santa believer? In the case of you and Merlin, you believe in both Gods, Money and God.

reply to post by tezzajw


"What other opinion is there?"

That we have the right to tell the story of Santa without someone else butting their nose into it telling us that we should not tell them the story.

"Santa is fake. Has that registered for you yet? Santa does not exist. Santa does not fly around the world in a sleigh with flying reindeer, leaving most children presents on the night of the 24th of December."

What parts of what I have written on this topic have you not read yet? Take a little time and go back and reread what I have written, it`s in there.

"It is true that Santa is fake. What's your problem understanding that?"

Read my above statement.

"Santa is fake, get over it!"

I have.........it`s you that needs to get over the fact that you have no right in telling people they are not suppose to tell the Santa story. We have the right to.....so yea, get over it.