'Jesus was born in June', astronomers claim

Although I'm new to ATS, I realized right away people don't like to face the facts. Let's just admit, we don't know when Jesus was born. There's many dates given to his birth. Some are still arguing if Jesus even existed. I honestly don't think we'll ever know the exact date he was born.

[edit on 28-12-2008 by ecain]

reply to post by ecain


True, but the bible easily points out that it wasn't in the winter time.

-Shepherds were living in the fields tending to their flocks.
-Agustus Caeaser issued out a census for all of Judea, Galille, and Samaria. Joseph and Mary had to journey from Nazareth to Bethlehem.... in the winter time the roads would have been non-passible.
-There was no room at the inn.... wouldn't be a problem in the winter time. It was a festival or feast.... like the feast of tabernacles when many came from all around to camp out at the temple mount.

It's things like this that bring a more reasonable approach than stars and planets.

Jesus said John the Baptist was "Elijah" and the Jewish custom was that Elijah would return on passover. So if John was born on passover.... and he was six months older than Jesus, Jesus would have been born on the feast of Tabernacles. This is my formula for determining the birth of Christ. This also puts His conception on the festival of lights or chaunnaka. The opening chapters of John's Gospel account mentions the "Light of the world" or the "Light of heaven"..... using the idea of light to represent Jesus.

Don't mean to ramble on, just thought you would like these interesting facts and coincidences.

reply to post by Locoman8



" Also, Jews and early christians never even celebrated birthdays, including the birth of the messiah. It was a one time event that needed no further emphasis beyond the actual day of birth. "


Excellent point my friend.

One can easily see, that this [ birthday celebrations of the people ] was a creation by those who wished to promote "self-worship", about how great we humans are etc, and no credit given to Our Lord at all. Just look at the Socialists to see the agenda and formula. they never give credit to The Creator for anything.

Two things. Of course Jesus wasn't born on December 25th. And...true Christians do not celebrate his birth. Where in the bible does it say to do that? Instead, they commemerate his death.

reply to post by Blueracer


Yes, there are explicit orders by Jesus Himself to keep His death in rememberance but nothing mentioned about His birth. Out of the entire New Testament, only 2 or 3 chapters concentrate on His birth and the two books that account of His birth mention different aspects of the birth. Obviously, you can put the two sides of the story together to get a fuller picture, but neither book put too much emphasis on His birth.... just the fact that He was born. The death of Christ took place on Passover and the Jewish tradition to sacrifice a lamb on passover was simply a metaphore for the Lamb of God to be sacrificed for mankind's sins. This is why the death of Christ should always be remembered and celebrated... ON PASSOVER!

Originally posted by Locoman8
reply to post by ecain

 

True, but the bible easily points out that it wasn't in the winter time.

-Shepherds were living in the fields tending to their flocks.
-Agustus Caeaser issued out a census for all of Judea, Galille, and Samaria. Joseph and Mary had to journey from Nazareth to Bethlehem.... in the winter time the roads would have been non-passible.
-There was no room at the inn.... wouldn't be a problem in the winter time. It was a festival or feast.... like the feast of tabernacles when many came from all around to camp out at the temple mount.

It's things like this that bring a more reasonable approach than stars and planets.

Jesus said John the Baptist was "Elijah" and the Jewish custom was that Elijah would return on passover. So if John was born on passover.... and he was six months older than Jesus, Jesus would have been born on the feast of Tabernacles. This is my formula for determining the birth of Christ. This also puts His conception on the festival of lights or chaunnaka. The opening chapters of John's Gospel account mentions the "Light of the world" or the "Light of heaven"..... using the idea of light to represent Jesus.

Don't mean to ramble on, just thought you would like these interesting facts and coincidences.

I think you made some great points here about John and Jesus births and the Holidays. I personally believe that the passover was a inserted Holiday that covered the true Holiday of the wheat offerings. But that is just personal opinion

LV

reply to post by LeoVirgo


Well, I follow the bible and Passover was the first Holy Day ordained by God aside from the weekly Sabbath. Either way, it's still part of the wheat harvest festival known as the "feast of unleavened bread."