If aliens exist they are of no consequence to you!

you missed the points that covered your post.

1. if the aliens are within "contention" range with humans and they need mass resources that means they would choose asteroids over earth as it is much easier rather than hiding themselves during the process.

the chances of two alien races in such close proximity on the evolutionary scale being within travelling range (don't forget we're talking about a species that needs to "renew" periodically) is ABYSIMALLY small.

it's much more likely that one is FAR more advanced than the other. if likely at at, which it isn't.


2. aliens that are out of "contention" range were not covered by your post and therefore fits by default into my theory. bwahahaha. sorry.

also your statement about there being millions of species at different levels of advancement is you realizing that my argument is right. nuff said.

Originally posted by Mozzy
(off topic - it's you're, this really bothers me)

Are you completely daft? Your typographical errors are right up there with the worst! In fact, your posts are littered with them. Would you like me to post them? There's a wide range to choose from. Talk about being a hypocrite!

Anyhow, keep quoting your narrow minded, badly spelt dartboard science. Completely laughable and naive!

The ATS Moto is "Deny Ignorance" - Not "Deny Your Ignorance". Just one more thing to add to the growing list of things you have completely wrong!

IRM

[edit on 5/12/08 by InfaRedMan]

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Actually I never disagreed with your theory , in actuality I agree with most of your theory , just the part that suddenly turned advanced technology as being the same as advanced spirituality. So the only part I disagree is that this has any chance of being any good for us humans , or they would be all saints bringing us salvation , or doing "research" =x heh



And I don't know if they would need a home base in an asteroid , Earth is quite big you know , and it is not as we are overpopulated. there must be lots of secluded areas in this Earth of ours.


EDIT : mispellings , bleh I'm sleepy =x

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i don't follow your thoughts. could you please explain some more what you mean. concise sentences would be nice

you can see (from the previous post) that i'm dealing with every angle here. i want to hear about the spirituality side and how it fits in to this.

sorry but you misunderstood. your last sentence is wrong. (not gonna explain again, read the previous posts)


((to whoever, posted about the difference between typos and grammar.

LOL!!! your tiefighter is waiting for you))

[edit on 5-12-2008 by Mozzy]

infared man, let me take the time to call you by name.

please post your theory of alien life for me to see. let's see how it measures up

i'll automatically forgive any grammatical, typographical, or rushed spelling airrors.

you don't even have to start your own thread and defend it against invaders.

Oh I see , you mean to say that asteroids would have the same biological resources as our full of life Earth ? I don't think so ! I never said they would need resources like oil , or metals , etc.
Sorry about the misunderstanding , I am really sleepy haha


And I am sorry , I seen to have jumped your last 2 posts ! It seems you really covered a few of the things I said.



I meant spirituality not as a religion as we see in Earth, but the conciousness/soul/self-awareness/Knowledge , a few names people like to call it.
Much more developed in the mind department than we currently are. There are probably different levels of development regarding this area too.



So the ones "invading" us would probably have a somewhat developed mind , not at the top , but enough to kick our weak-minded asses and influence our lives !

Regarding the spirituality , you can probably read more here www.alliesofhumanity.org... , that's what got me thinking in all thi really.

It is a long read if you are interested !

Originally posted by Mozzy
great point, nothing can breathe water. breathing requires a gas, am i right? fish don't "breathe" do they?

fish breathe in water and then extract the gas from it.

www.essortment.com...

i find your logic to your previous post baffling. we cannot space travel therefore nobody else out there or anything else can?

how does our inabilities hold back other species on planets in other galaxies? our inabilities have nothing to do with anything other than us.
it is not a leap of faith to understand that other life out there exsists somewhere and has had a longer evolution period than us. what they can and cannot do is not held back by our lack of ability but theirs. and untill we know their abilities it is impossible to say what they can and cannot do.

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I'd rather not touch this "airrored" thread with a 10-foot pole. I did have a pretty lengthy reply in response, but I've decided with my better judgment/judgement (whichever you prefer) to not say anything.

To sum up my opinion in one sentence, with aliens having the possibility of being billions, if not immeasurable, of years ahead of us, it is blind to say that they would have zero impact on how we, as humans, view ourselves.

first of all.. WE ARE NOT BEING INVADED. this is fantasy. not reality.

secondly, any race of aliens that is beyond harvesting resources in mass (ie asteroids or earth) would be 1 in a million of species that is already PAST space travel. do you really think we're in range of such beings?

it is MUCH MUCH MUCH more likely that any race of aliens capable of interspace travel (that is not bent on global domination) has already surpassed such need of mass resources (ie your spirituality) and has no need to disturb our meager lives.

as for the rest, i'm sorry but those are pieces of what's already been discussed. the losers have dismissed themselves. (yeah i've had a few glasses of wine, sue me)

edit to change: within our range : to interspace travel



[edit on 6-12-2008 by Mozzy]

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it has a lot to do with us. we are a mediocre planet circling a mediocre sun. mediocrity rules, this is a law of averages. we can use this to determine what other mediocre races (the majority) will be like.

barring, alien races that have stolen knowledge.
alien races that have been given knowledge.

both of these are extreme thoughts that have no basis in reality whatsoever.

and yes i concede the point about fish breathing water. i'm pretty sure my response was sarcastic based off of a post that was incorrect. but in case it wasn't, feel free to bring the point to light so we can discuss it.

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if they are billions of years ahead of us then they have laid groundwork for us. (if they deemed us capable of understanding or worthy of the effort) this is assuming that billions of years can even produce aliens that reach that level.

please, post your thoughts. i want to hear them. forgive me if i'm defensive but i've taken a few blows. i'll respect your opinion.

promise.

reply to post by Mozzy


If we are being invaded or not , I don't know. It might be fantasy sure , but who knows? That is what is to be open-minded , to consider the possibility. Not to hold it as real thruth , or being impossible though !

But I do agree with the rest of your post.

If aliens exist they are of no consequence to you!

Would you please inform them of this development?

Actually, in a deeper sense though, you are correct. But that reality certainly doesn't stop them from doing what they are doing. It would be great to not have their suppressive technology stopping us from using our natural abilities but somehow I doubt your proclamation will change their minds.

Anyway, I'm sure they appreciate your help in attempting to dissuade belief in their existence. They wouldn't be able to do what they do if people knew what was going on.

reply to post by Cons Piracy


your post has meaning and i think you have spent time contemplating your answer. (not due to this thread)

i have deducted that such aliens, if in existance, would fall into a certain category. the main factors being

1. what "rung" on the evolutionary ladder they are. and therefore their need/desire to rely on humans and their proximity to us.

2. if they're already here then i'm sorry for the abductees but everyone else seems fine.

finally, i am not dissuading any possibility that aliens are real, or even that they LIVE on earth. but before i go on. do tell any private knowledge you have. lord knows i've spewed enough.

Aliens leave behind a large carbon footprint, they must pay a carbon tax and comply with U.N. resolutions or suffer the consequences !

Bomb Bomb Bomb Axis of Evil Green men on Mars !

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Ah, I see. Just thought you were another brick in the wall. My apologies as I didn't read the entire thread. I was merely bored and felt like making a point and your title grabbed me.

My words, knowledge and experience on the subject holds no more weight than anyone else's. Thus, I tend to keep it to myself since I have no particular need to convince anyone of anything.

To me, the alien debate is merely an endless distraction. Knowing what they are capable of I can see that it will remain that way unless there is some overwhelming external influence or circumstance.

Just to throw it out there as food for thought; they can manipulate time as we experience it. Not really believable given our current collective knowledge but just think about the implications of that.

Again, apologizes on the tone of my previous response. I see you have an open mind which I probably would've seen if I read the thread. I was responding to the title.

np, thanks for the reply.

time travel would definately add another side to this. a technology like that would be superior to even sustainable deep space travel i would think.

the purpose of this thread was to investigate some of the more moderate, rational scenarios of alien existence seeing as how ats has plenty of the others. albeit with a catchy title looks like we've covered all the basics.

i would find it hard to believe that time travel is real. obviously that doesn't mean it isn't but how cuold you explain there being more than 1 time machine. just imagine if 5-10 operational timemachines were in existence. it really wouldn't matter if one was from 5 billion years ago. if this scenario is true than the "leading advanced" species would most likely have played leapfrog through time to gain the upperhand and gone back as far as they could to declare who will win.

if not then one race beat the other w/o need of the time machine and then destroyed the other time machine to keep that from happening.

if time travel requires vast amounts of energy, and by vast i mean galactical or greater, it's likely that other races would dectect it much like we detect other galaxies, black holes, or supernovas. in this case a war would ensue after the opposing factions came to the conclusion that this is what was happening.

someone would likely steal the technology and attempt to build another machine or flat out conquer one another. either scenario would lead to the leapfrog idea i think.

if time travel became "portable" and ran off of AAA batteries then i'd imagine the usefulnesses of it is overestimated and it's probably a well regulated common practice among advanced races. something along the lines of: you can see the past and visit it but you cannot touch taste or manipulate it and once you return you leave no trace.

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The subject I find is ridiculously bull within itself.People aren't ready to acknowledge aliens.A lot of people in this world are feeble minded and wont be able to handle the fact that we are not the only living being in the universe.People will be skeptic.Seeing is believing.But people want to see it face to face.Aliens are way to advance for us to grasp the concept of what they think or believe.We can not just make up what you think and put it on this site without backing it up with supporting detail.It will have an impact on our society for somewhat part of the people because it is a BIG DEAL!We would want knowledge from them.We would want to explore with them.Most would want to fight them out of Earth to never returning.I believe that aliens were on this Earth before us.Only as visitors.I'm only 17 years old and I can tell you way more things about aliens than Mozzy. zLFz

Ah, well even with just enough technology for interstellar travel, there's nothing to stop a dying race of aliens from sending out a generational craft to secure a particular world or species. How they did that would depend on their particular strategy. If it's a rather small number of aliens then they would require more subtle tactics.

As far as time, I was specifically referring to the consequence it would have between a race with time manipulation capabilities vs. one without. Like what would occur in a hypothetical situation between humans and a race of aliens. Before going into that though...

I've noticed that people often say that aliens are not here because they haven't invaded overtly. But overt invasion is not always the best strategy. A better strategy would be something like the CIA has employed. Infiltration of a group and then planting a guy that's loyal to you as the leader of that group. Usually some guy that seeks power and is willing to sell out all values for power and money.

Let's say you wanted to take over a company. The strategy that presents the least risk would be to somehow implant your own CEO in that company. The CEO gives orders to the VPs. The VPs give orders to the Directors. The Directors to the Managers. And finally, the Managers tell the workers what to do. If said CEO was subtle with the changes and did it over a length of time, it would be very difficult to detect what was really going on.

Back to the time thing real quick; we can't really rely on hollywood interpretation for extrapolation of scenarios. Also, many more variables would need to be taken into account than you allowed for in your brief. I don't understand the full nature of it all by a long shot. But I have read quite a bit. If I'm interpreting correctly a hypothetical time manipulation field could only be localized. Additionally, if a time machine is destroyed the idea behind the time machine is not. Another could be built. Each scenario has a very large set of variables that would ensure neither side gained the upper hand. That is unless it was used on a race like humans that didn't possess the technology. Then there would be consequence.