Pentagon plans 20,000 uniformed troops inside U.S. by 2011

I love reading these comments to see how people just make things up out of thin air. The article says the U.S. is planning on deploying 20,000 soldiers within the U.S. to respond to catastrophes and somehow that means they are getting ready for some cataclysmic event that is predicted to happen in 2012. I'm loving it.

It can't be that the government is genuinely trying to protect the American Homeland, that would be insanity, right? After all our response to Katrina was top notch, right? And, the risk of a nuclear/bio attack on an American city is dwindling as I type, right? Just loving it.

[edit on 1-12-2008 by MasterRegal]

Originally posted by serbsta
Ughh... should this really be happening? Is this really necessary? There just been sooooo much real terrorist attacks in the US recently, i mean, its so dangerous now, with all the arabs walking around...

Are you being sarcastic, or are you just incredibly racist?

Absolutely ridiculous, this is just one step away from martial law, i cant believe something liek this is happening and the majority fo the populace think its for their own good. Disgusting.

Regardless of the Orwellian implications you are making, I wonder if the so called "potential" nuclear attacks could actually be an inside job, a-la-9/11. Not that I necessarily believe 9/11 was an inside job, but I do believe it is within the realm of possibility.

Here is a question:

The people complaining or "concerned with" troops being deployed domestically, are they the same ones who whined and complained about the National Guard not responding fast enough to hurricane 'Katrina'?


Just a thought.....

....that MasterRegal beat me to!

[edit on 2-12-2008 by CreeWolf]

Summary

2012- Bad Year from Mayans
2012-Bad Year from Hopi Indians
2009-2012- Bad Years for world due to economy
2009-2012- Obamas Reign in Office (Possibly longer 2009-2013 )
2009-2012- Web Bot has a lot of predictions (supposibly)

Why not protect a paranoid country? Im all for it, I dont trust but a few of you ATS'rs.

To all the people who asked, yes i was being sarcastic and im in no way racist towards arabs... 2 of my close friends are Lebanese and Iraqi.

I dont know if anyone has mentioned it yet... i know theres a thread it on it though.

Panel warns biological attack likely by 2013

Any correlations?


[edit on 2/12/08 by serbsta]

Protection from what? More people choke on food and die a year than terrorist attacks. Although I would rather see US troops than a bunch of NATO or UN troops. If this somehow get troops home then it cannot be all that bad.

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You know, as I watched Obama's acceptance speech,I too could'nt help notice the Emphasis he put on 'Wer'e gonna have to make Many a sacrifice',to'clean things up'....

It seemed that the Main Themeof his talk,wasto very much push that point.. that America,is going to be finding it tough in the coming years.. and it is through patriotism, that they can justify such 'sacrifices'..

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I admire your patriotism. Certainly, it is a good thing, but I think the big picture is flying over your head.

We (the U.S.A.) are not Russia. We are no monarchy. We are not a socialist state. We are not a fascist state (although steps in that direction have been taken). When our own military is deployed on American soil to help police, not only is it illegal, it is unconstitutional. It is also plain un American.

I agree that our soldiers are good people for the most part. They are doing their job like everyone else. But you put 20,000 of them in the street you will see society deteriorate. Dont ever confuse your freedom and liberties as priviledge. They are not. They are rights. And there are certain steps that have been taken by our forefathers to keep those in place. A military presence in America would open a wound that would bleed for decades and may never heal.

Personally, I dont think it will ever happen, but we must always remain vigilant to a government taking steps in the wrong direction. Especially against its own people.

Originally posted by Xilvius
The whole idea behind the government placing militants in urban areas shouldn't be looked at in the negative light that everyone is placing it in. I don't know the true motives behind doing such a thing, but you have to look at the whole picture sometimes and not just fragments at a time.

Who said anything about "placing" "militants" in urban areas?

Everyone is placing OUR own military in a negative perspective, like they all want to kill everyone or something. Just because there are planned to be 20k uniformed troops in the USA doesn't mean its some way of domination or any such absurdity.

It is illegal for US troops to be used in civilian policing. Even tho these troops are for "emergency response", this is nothing more than a ploy to get their foot in the door.

This whole operation sounds like a prelude to a declaration of war against the US population. Nazi checkpoints. "Papers please".

The United States is a great nation built on diversity. This nation is made of many people from many cultures. As is our military. I cannot conceive our own military killing its own citizens. I know and have known many many people that serve this nation in it's militant branches, and they all stand on defending the people of this nation. I'm really getting sick of this whole anti-American attitude of ATS.

Great nation built on diversity?? That's nothing more than feel-good rhetoric.

Truth is -- we are a nation that allowed criminals gather together under our political system. They are working hard to damage our sovereignty and our culture.

Truth is -- we are a nation that allowed the military-industrial complex to get out of control -- to the detriment of the world and our own people.

Truth is -- we have allowed corporations to gain control of our mainstream media -- and they excel at treating our people like mushrooms.

Time to open your eyes my friend......

Originally posted by staple
Protection from what? More people choke on food and die a year than terrorist attacks. Although I would rather see US troops than a bunch of NATO or UN troops. If this somehow get troops home then it cannot be all that bad.

Really? I personally think it would be devastating for American liberty and civil rights. Many members have already said it... there is no reason for this to happen, no pretense exists for this to be required, this is a criminal act in my mind and i fear for America. I see this 20k being pushed up to more 120k.

THIS IS MARTIAL LAW
you dont think theres going to be 20,000 jar heads standing around
and its going to be freedom as usual
cops, army thugs, troops
all are smug thugs

Originally posted by OldMedic
Are you stupid, or just a simpleton that is trying to raise people hackels for nothing?

It's not the "hackels" bothering him, it's the shackles.

Hate to tell you, but we alread have a LOT more than 20,000 troops in the US with the Army alone. Add in the Marines, Air Force, Navy and Coast Guard, and we likely have closer to 150,000 available to help with natural disasters.

It's having battle-scared veterans acting as riot police that worries people.

So what? We were doing this when I was on active duty between 1959-1869.

Wow, you really are an old medic.

We helped with fires, floods, and lots of other things.

Did you "help" the way soldiers "helped" during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina?
Or were things done differently back in your day?

How about posting some real news?

Yawn

It's alright, everything's fine. You can go back to sleep now.

Originally posted by Xilvius
. . . .
And if protecting this nation means military presence so be it. The only people whom should be worried about it are the people with something to hide.

Ah, my favourite music.
The oh-so-smug anthem of those who want to take peoples' rights away.

True Americans are proud of living in a free country, and will fight to keep it that way.

Who was it who warned that people who give up freedom to achieve safety will end up with neither freedom nor safety?

After Hurricane Katrina a national security bill was passed which ammended the Posse Comitatus Act as follows (paraphrased):

The President may employ the armed forces... to... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition... the President determines that... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such... a condition... so hinders the execution of the laws... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.

en.wikipedia.org...

The bill itself

However, this bill was repealed, and so using U.S. military forces for search, seizure, and other law enforcement activities is still illegal.

Since technically the plan is only for these forces to be used for emergency medical aid, logistical support, etc. it doesn't appear to conflict with the law. 20,000 troops aren't sufficient to subdue even one large city, let alone the entire country.

Now, some people are reading that and thinking, "Ah, another person defending this plan." On the contrary, I'm vigorously opposed to it. I'm just saying that it has all the appearances - to most people probably - of a completely rational, legal, and justifiable plan.

Is that all it is? I don't know (nor can I form a suspicion that seems more probable than the other.) Neither does anyone else. As such, there's no rational, justifiable, socially acceptable reason to oppose it so vocally.

Therein lies the potential problem, if you take my meaning.

[edit on 12/2/2008 by AceWombat04]

[edit on 12/2/2008 by AceWombat04]

reply to post by anonymousATS

It is illegal for US troops to be used in civilian policing. Even tho these troops are for "emergency response", this is nothing more than a ploy to get their foot in the door.

Please go back to page 6 of this thread and read my post, which states that this action is NOT illegal. Furthermore, since Congress actually authorized this action several years ago, such action is perfectly legal. Now, whether it is wise or not, is another matter, but again, I ask -What if a biological or nuclear attack were to occur, and the government had NOT been prepared? The outcry would make the Katrina outcry seem like a whimper.

Could it become something more than advertised? Of course it could, but let's not anticipate a problem yet. There are plenty of other problems that exist NOW, and should be handled. If the financial crisis continues to get worse, none of this will matter anyway. Can you say "World-Wide Depression and Starvation"?

In a way i could see that this is quite scary. Now 20000 is not a lot if you just look at that figure. But if you look at what kinda of support these 20000 troops have you do have a reason to be conserned.

Now why do you americans have to deply20000 trops in the first place.
Well you are preparing for something. But what!!!

Dont you peopel have the right to know what kinde of danger you are in?

I dont think they are doing this for fun. They must know that something is going on. Why cant they share their thought's with the public.



[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

reply to post by ProfEmeritus



"Please go back to page 6 of this thread and read my post, which states that this action is NOT illegal. Furthermore, since Congress actually authorized this action several years ago, such action is perfectly legal."



This new law was rescended and is no longer valid. The original law that came back into force says this is still illegal. However, Herr Bush is happy to ignore any law that gets in his way.

Folks,
Puke

The only reason to redeploy troops to the US is to have a force that is ready to go to respond to something within the country itself. How many times has the call gone out for the National Guard to respond to a situation and it takes them days to mobilize and respond?

This plan allows us to have a readily deployable force that can step in and take charge of situations to ensure no one has to suffer any longer due to response times.

20,000 troops is insufficient to try to take over the country, but it is sufficent to respond to regioanal disasters/terroristic attacks.

[edit on 2/12/08 by COOL HAND]

What i find funny about this is the same idiots who complain about us not having any troops at home because they are all in other coun tries are now complaining that we will have a force here at home!!! Get it right...cant have it both ways people!! Oh, i forgot, they just want to complain about something either way.

Ok so this is what I see here.

Bare with me because it's the first time I'm putting these thoughts into words.

We all b****ed and moaned about getting our troops home. Cried that they were still overseas. BRING OUR TROOPS HOME bumper stickers are being sold in the masses....

ok this is where I get a little sticky...

so when they finally ARE brought home, there's OBVIOUSLY some sort of evil scheme occurring against us the American people.......

right.


And now that they are home what are they going to do? I mean most guys have spent so much time over there that they can't get a job doing anything else, the job market is in the gutter, so WHAT PRAY TELL are we going to do with all these troops????

What did we think as going to happen if all the troops came back home? That they would just come in unnoticed go back to their jobs (if they're still there!) and live in peaceful harmony with the rest of us?

yeah ok