Pentagon plans 20,000 uniformed troops inside U.S. by 2011

Originally posted by CPYKOmega
Funny how the CIA/NSA/FBI/NAVY/ECT ECT.

They are the ones who write up the terrorism "drills" They are the ones who also carry the "drills" out.

Like I said earlier unless this changes you guys will rot in hell.

But I do feel you guys can change. God always forgives if you confess.

You know...

It's really comforting that America has you and your holier than thou mouth wash to damn us with.

I personally don't know what country you're from, it really doesn't matter. However, what you seem to miss is that if it weren't for the spilled American Blood that brought you your freedom, and the marvelous American Technology that allowed you to spew your garbage on this thread like you're doing, you would be.... where?

God is the only one who will, in the end, give a damn about us as humans... that much you've clearly showed you understand, so please, if you will, put a cork in it.

America is having some really troublesome times, and it is affecting the rest of the world... You should be encouraging us to progress and rise above this mess instead of bashing us for what your preceptions of us are, because I'm one to tell you...

If America goes in the pot, so will you.

If God directs your life, then pray for us, that would work a lot better, you think? Otherwise, just imagine what would happen to the person who throws the first stone... you know, the one that Jesus told us about?

Originally posted by cmd18B
reply to post by die_another_day

 

Im confused about your million men police force..Im going to think you mean that the already in place law enforcement that protects and enforces laws in their state?..so I will say that its not enough to deal with a large scale disaster in my opinion and if this was to come to fruition then so be it, We cannot stop it. I think the guy from Philly, Devildog said he wouldnt mind troops patrolling the streets and I agree with him especially since I am from Philly, AKA Killadelphia which needs all the help it can get. If you have nothing to hide and your a law abiding citizen then whats the big deal?..Dont give me that constitution crap because nobody really respects it anymore and it is a shame because thats what our forefathers fought for. The only thing we can do is go about our daily lives and wait and see.....oh and most automatic weapon ammo is 223..40. Cal is most likely for your sidearms although some MP-5's have a variant in 40 cal....Just to keep you informed...

I can't help that Philly and you northern types are so unfeeling towards your Constitution, but we southern types are raised to read it and it's supporting documents as much as our BIBLE's. I can't help it if types like you justify ignoring our countries religious roots and remove the pledge of allegiance out of your classrooms but we not only don't support your mentality. Quite the opposite we teach and instill these values anyways. If you need a military patrol in your neighborhoods and facilities to feel safe in a large crisis, blame yourselves for giving up your arms and telling them where you keep your guns when they come like a theif in the night to get them. They call us crazy when we worry they'll impose a draft, yet a decade later they realistically consider just that. We're nuts to believe in UFO's though there's more proof for them than Jesus. We're called insane to think there'd be a military patrolling our streets, yet, here we are a decade later, typing in a forum, to idiots who still maintain we're the stupid ones. Get a gun is all I can say, or, you'll regret it. Not me.

reply to post by Xilvius


Although I understand what you are saying, something that concerned me was when I read a letter from Governor Michael Easley and Governor Mark Sanford who are the co chairs to the National Guard. They expressed serious concern about the illegal nature of the expanded powers that were given to President Bush in regards to the ability to use National Guards for domestic purposes. I have a link here to that letter. Now if the letter from the National Governors is not authentic than I apologize however, that being said I think that if the co-chairs to National Guard are concerned than so should we, as IMO there are people out there in office who do what to do what is right by the people, not alot but a few. Respectfully...

www.nga.org...

reply to post by PhyberDragon


I can respect the southern values, I was stationed there and I am moving to Georgia very soon. Im not trying to take away any values that are instilled in our country or go against the constitution and if you read more carefully in my post I said nothing bad about it and im a little offended by that, I respect what our forfathers did to gain independence but if anything were to happen here in the United States I would be ok with U S troops coming to help out and even if I was so opposed to troops patrolling our streets there is nothing I can do to change that, I only hope and pray that this is all just a rouse..

I only mentioned the Army helping out Philly because the police need all the help tey can get....


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reply to post by KMFNWO

There are reasons Posse Comitatus exists and if we are not very careful and don't start to get considerably more proactive, we are all going to understand what those reasons are.

Posse Comitatus has exclusions, and in fact, the stated purpose of the troops, fall under the exclusions. Here are SOME of the exclusions to Posse Comitatus:

There are a number of situations in which the Act does not apply. These include:

* National Guard units while under the authority of the governor of a state;
* Troops used under the order of the President of the United States pursuant to the Insurrection Act, as was the case during the 1992 Los Angeles Riots.
* Under 18 U.S.C. § 831, the Attorney General may request that the Secretary of Defense provide emergency assistance if civilian law enforcement is inadequate to address certain types of threats involving the release of nuclear materials, such as potential use of a nuclear or radiological weapon. Such assistance may be by any personnel under the authority of the Department of Defense, provided such assistance does not adversely affect U.S. military preparedness.

the last point talks about threats such as potential use of a nuclear or radiological weapon. There is nothing in the planned action that is illegal, or violates Posse Comitatus.

Again, I ask people how they would react IF such a tragedy did occur, and the government had not taken action to be prepared to assist.
Furthermore, the Act states that Congress DOES have the authority to take action, if needed, to circumvent the provisions of the Act. Remember, the Act is NOT part of the Bill of Rights, and in fact, was enacted as a response to the Confederate States fear that federal troops would retaliate as a result of their succession from the Union.

Furthermore, let me say how disgusted I am, at some of the remarks made by members regarding the military. Our military is one of the finest in the world, consisting of an ALL volunteer force. These fine men and women have signed up to protect our country, and help maintain the peace around the world. For those that have a problem with the USE of those troops, place the blame where it belongs, at the door of the politicians and elected officials that make those decisions. Not one person in the military makes such decisions. At most, those at the top can make recommendations, but they do NOT have the authority to carry them out.

Personally, I would have no problem with our troops patrolling our cities and streets, if they are needed. I WOULD have a problem with Canadian troops patrolling our cities however, and that is not meant as a slam on Canada. I just believe that the pact that allows that was ill-advised. As a civilian, I spent many years working with military personnel, and I can tell you that they are the finest charactered people that I know. They are honest, industrious and very much concerned with the welfare of our country.
I salute them. It is the politicians that I have no use for. All I ask is that people think about WHO is making the decisions that you may despise. It isn't our soldiers. Oh, and yes, I know there are some incidents where a few have gone further than they should. Of course, you know about them, because the MSM blow those incidents up, and make it sound like they occur on a wholesale basis. Well, they don't. Furthermore, the MSM doesn't bother to show you all the good that the soldiers do, so why not visit sites such as this, and see the good that soldiers do:

www4.army.mil...

reply to post by Xilvius



You should read your history books before you think that the humble origins of this thing are the true objective of it. Aw. It's so nice of our government to protect us like this. What about the fact that you are supposed to be your own first line of defense, read the Federalist Papers. Really, I think only a handful of people ever has. It cites example after example of tyrany and it's humble origins. Fact. Not fantasy.
As I posted from the crimes against the King from the US Declaration of Independance. :

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution ,and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

[Sound like Acts passed surrendering liberties for safety- safety we citizens would ensure best if we bore arms without regulation? Don't our Courts repeatedly argue that the Constitution is neither the Supreme Law of the Land just because it is a contract which says so and was signed by, what the Court deems, questionably adequate representatives of the people, nor subject to the democratic majority whim of the day. Don't they say We interpret the Constitution and say what Law is, depite We being the People whose Constitution it is being bound and therefore part and parcel to it's existance as a Living Law which cannot be superceeded by any Law or Decree of any Elected or Unelected official?]

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

[20,000 today, Hitler's Germany tommorow.]

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

[ Ever heard of Demographic Exemption? Search Black's Law Dictionary, various Local, State, Federal, International Laws for your area, or Google the term. "All Pigs are Equal, Some Pigs are more Equal than Others"--G. Orwell, Animal Farm] [ And here let's not forget the mock Administrative Courts which abound and are notorious for attacking the adversary to the position it's designed to support while defending the real supporters which generally bankroll, empower, and sit it's board's---Just look at the FTC, FDA, US Postal Service, Social Services, and the like for widespread examples of this, which abound plentifully in many, many areas of Law.]

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

[Not cut off, but, how about the Free Trade Agreements which are so imbalanced as to benefit the recieving Countries while blatantly damaging the US economy due to it's unfairness. They may as well be making deals with the Mafia and Organized Crime, oh wait- the CIA and others already do.]
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

[ If this one is not obvious, we've nothing further to discuss...look at the sheer number of taxes and double taxes couched in misleading terms. It's like paying alimony, child support [legal definition is money given to the parent or guardian of a minor child- not for the minor child itself, which is hoped for as a benefit or a consequence- which is why an accounting is not required so as to protect the child as in the 18 yr of age accounting rule for inherantes to children imposed by the IRS], and maintainance support all at once. Three sources of money for support of the ex, same things, different terms, usually imposed all at once. Taxes are the same way, enough said.]

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

[Guantanomo Bay and various Covert Courts, to say the least.]

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences

[ Again, Guantanomo Bay and various Covert Courts, to say the least.]

For those who see no cause for concern, I compare you to German Citizens who sat in ignorance of the atrocities of Nazi Germany and, probably, among the uneducated rank and file who might make a great slave.

reply to post by PhyberDragon


Ok..so Its safe to say you are firmly against this POSSIBLE action of U S troops patrolling the streets of a city or town that has become a victim of a NBC attack because thats what would happen if it did....Now if there were in fact an attack on U S soil, we would have a much tougher time without military help(IMOO], the National Guard which should be mobilized in event there was a disaster is now unavailable due to Iraq and Afghanistan..Half of NJ NG is overseas. Now all we have left to state and local law enforcement to try and preserve order and they cannot be everywhere..I think we would need their help...Dont you? Now remember Im not trying to bait you into an argument but I would like to get others opinions about this because I may be a little more obligated to defend the military because my father served, I served and my brother is serving right now!!


[edit on 1-12-2008 by cmd18B]

I'm so tired of this lame philosophy of "if you have nothig to hide you have no need to fear." What are you a teenager or young adult, or something? Because those who offer this defense sure sound like it. Too young to know any better. And if you're older what rock did you just crawl out from under. Do you really live in the Utopion Golden Age you envision?
If you prove you have nothing to hide, you prove your vulnerable to manipulation or control by the very people you just showed your entire hand to. Please, if you have nothing to hide, will you Email me all of your personal information so that I can safeguard it for you and use it to better market produsts and services geared to your individual needs? I promise, I will only share this data with appropriate government and aggregate sources as proscribed by our benevolent lawmakers who have not one iotta of interest in it's use and dissemination. I promise, failure to give consent will not result in hackers or insiders, or myself accessing and disseminating all the information you've already irretrievably submitted via the WWW and other intermediary sources who have since filed, archived, databased, and networked your information. Have no fear. You have nothing to hide. Relax, an Email is not necessary, we already have your data thanks to your IP and the GPS software in your Windows Explorer and the like. Don't be nervous. This is reality setting in. Lucky for you I don't have your data, but for a fee and/ or some crafty programming, I could. And quantum photon encryption, please, it detects cyberattacks to these databases, not stop them.
The point here is standing army, bad. Whether you have anything to hide or not (as if you really could.)

[edit on 1-12-2008 by PhyberDragon]

Originally posted by serbsta
People, lets not get off-topic here. I would like people's opinions on whos pulling the strings here right now with this soon to be in place?

I mean, how close is the US really to complete martial law?

It seems to be falling in place doesn't it. to have these so called FEMA camps running, there has to be people to run them................????????

reply to post by Karlhungis


maybye me, you and 30 or 40 others... =)

reply to post by cmd18B


Pay no attention to Phyberdragon bro, he knows nothing of us "NORTHERN TYPES" as he so eloquently labeled us!

He did not serve in our military as we did so he obviously does not understand, he is one of the paranoid people i mentioned in my previous post, just listen to 'em!

And Phyberdragon as far as us Northern types not knowing about our constitution, HAHA!!

Phyberdragon we are from Philadelphia, i myself born and raised in the city, the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. constitution were written and signed in Philadelphia, and believe me that as Philadelphians we were taught growing up the importants of both of these documents, it is a Philadelphia standard!

One thing i did not mention earlier is that i do not want anyone to get the wrong impression me!

Although i come off as a patriot and have faith in this country, and believe me i am and i do, i also do realize that there is a lot of real scum and corruption in our Gov. and in all Gov. around the world.

I just simply believe that the majority of people are mostly good! And live and hope that the good will triumph over evil! PEACE
devil

Some of you people are out of your tree...Regardless if you are ok with troops in this country there is nothing we can do about it so sit there behind your computers and your little paltry fingers on the panic button until 2011 and then come out and say I TOLD YOU SO. I TOLD YOU SO. When somebody decides to hit the U S again and they just might, do not accept any help from a U S soldier that was sent to your city to help...Thats all I have to say..Im going to go and live my life and deal with crap IF AND WHEN it happens..Dont bother replying to me because Im done dealing with some of you whiny wimps...........Magna res est vocis et silentii temperamentum

Originally posted by cmd18B
reply to post by PhyberDragon

 

Ok..so Its safe to say you are firmly against this POSSIBLE action of U S troops patrolling the streets of a city or town that has become a victim of a NBC attack because thats what would happen if it did....Now if there were in fact an attack on U S soil, we would have a much tougher time without military help(IMOO], the National Guard which should be mobilized in event there was a disaster is now unavailable due to Iraq and Afghanistan..Half of NJ NG is overseas. Now all we have left to state and local law enforcement to try and preserve order and they cannot be everywhere..I think we would need their help...Dont you? Now remember Im not trying to bait you into an argument but I would like to get others opinions about this because I may be a little more obligated to defend the military because my father served, I served and my brother is serving right now!!


My great Great Grandfather served in the Pony Express, My Great Grandfather served in WW1 as a Marine, my Grandfather served in Korea as a Marine, my Father served in Vietnam as a Marine, I served in the Gulf War as a Submariner, and my nephew is currently serving in Iraq as a soldier in the Army. What's your point. We've served our Country, too. But, none of us would dare patrol our own Citizens, we'd prefer they were armed and trained to use those weapons to not only stave off an overbearing Government, but also to ensure the Common Defense of our Country. Their are already authorities in place for specific functions, all acts of terror are already considered as crimes based on their specific actions (rape, theft, murder, etc.) enforce the laws already on the books and quit letting this "little fish lead us to the big fish" mentality go. It just makes law enforcement as corrupt as the crime it chases. I could go all day on this, but we are on about standing military. And if they use electronic or infrared invasive survellaince techniques, we could argue the "quartering" in the home aspect- virtual quartering that is, especially if it's round the clock. It is the first step towards a boot on the back of your head for the belief you may be guilty of a term that's vague enough it could apply to those who might legally revolt as per the Declaration of Independance which says:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security

Originally posted by FX44rice
Any way you look at this it is not good. People the troops are not simply being brought back here to bases, they are to become active here enforcing civilian control. If one wants to argue that it is for terrorist protection, it's not worth anyones time to argue with someone so brainwashed and clueless that beleives that. People thinking this is a good thing in any way are the exact problem with this country and the reason which we will eventually slip into a total police state.

It is amazing to see how many dumbed down Americans are out there, and so clear this how America has gotten to where it is today.

Don't forget, we don't know anyone on here or why they are opined as they are. If I were the US Gov. I wouldn't certainly have my own posters on here for what I believe are obvious reasons. So if they are of the mindset that this is a good idea, then, I'd wonder who butters their bread. I'm not against the military helping out in crisis or anything else. Oftentimes these are honest enough folks. Not all intentions are inately evil, though they may be subject to perversion or based on disinformation to start with. All that aside. My family and I, and all those we have know throughout the years, 100% agree that the Citizens should be armed and trained as well. That way none have to fear but our real enemies who want us dead or overtaken.

reply to post by PhyberDragon


Phyberdragon you said:

My great Great Grandfather served in the Pony Express, My Great Grandfather served in WW1 as a Marine, my Grandfather served in Korea as a Marine, my Father served in Vietnam as a Marine, I served in the Gulf War as a Submariner.......

Hold on,wait! There it is, i knew it you are a squid! That explains it all, you shoud have followed the Marine tradition of your father, Grandfather, great Grandfather etc, etc...You see the 'ol Corps would have taken that paranoia and fear out your azz!HAHAAA!! Even the Army would have done a much better job of it than the squids!

Just kiddin Phyber, all i have to say is that if the Gov. try's to use our troops to push us around in any negative fashion they will surely be dissapointed because all of the old vets (and they're a lot out there) and all of the old timers in general along with everyone else behind them would make them feel so ashamed of thier actions and basically break thier balls so much that whatever the task is, would be quickly proven immpossible to accomplish by the troops and would surely be abandoned by the dark secret Gov. cabal that attempted to achieve this evil agenda in the firstplace, and therefore would have in turn opened up pandoras box so to speak!

It simply is not going to happen because the Gov. knows as we all do if we think about it, that it would not ever work, and that's because we are Americans and thier is only one America and we generally stick together mainly because we know that the rest of the world hates us! See it's basic logic that gives you the answers to most of this sh#t! PEACE,
devil

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I'd rather 20,000 in my homeland defending me and my family then 20,000 in some foreign country killing families.

reply to post by damdevildog

Some of you need to chill out big time with this crap because it is VERY, VERY, disrespectful to our "BRAVE MEN AND WOMAN IN UNIFORM" to question were there loyalty lies, and there morals and integrity while most of them are over seas in that sh#thole desert and we are sittin on our fat azzes behind a computer passing judgment on them when they are the most patriotic and careing bunch of Americans that there are, period!

You need to chill out because you are disrespectful to an educated majority that know what they are talking about, too. No, I would not have followed orders to kill US Citizens if I was informed on "good intelligence" that they were Terrorists and posed a threat to National Security. True or not, where would I even begin to search for the validity of the accusation. No. I would be expected to act immediately and without time to reflect. I'd be expected to blindly obey the Mission upon hearing the proper code or authority to do so. But, would you? And if you didn't you'd be relieved of duty and detained until a Court Martial where you may or may not be released, but, well after the fact. And someone else would simply take your place and immediately execute the order. I'm glad you did good dees. We did too. But I refused an order I felt was unlawful, so, I believe I know more than you about this. I was looked upon by my fellow service members as a "crazy" individual who committed an unthinkable act that they they themselves couldn't possibly have done. I refused an order to kill someone. Not long after I was discharged for- unrelated- mysterious circumstances. While I'll not give details on the Internet of all places, I will say you have no right to question our serious concerns. Concerns our own founding fathers had, and concerns that should bother anyone in their right mind.

Consider you are on a watch list, and the soldiers are told to take you out, or to take into custody (where they may be broken or disappear, whichever comes first) those they deem terrorists or who are on Certain Watch Lists. Think it can't happen? A snippet of history (since a wise man knows history often repeats itself in cycles- conspiracy or not):

Friday 29, 1934 About 10 a.m. Saturday morning a phone call was placed from Hitler to Göring in Berlin giving the prearranged code word "Kolibri" (hummingbird) which signaled a full go-ahead for the purge. This unleashed a wave of murderous violence by the SS in Berlin and 20 other cities. SS execution squads along with the Gestapo and Göring's private police roared through the streets hunting down SA leaders and anyone else on the prepared enemies list (later called the Reich List of Unwanted Persons).

Originally posted by unknown known
reply to post by Xilvius

 

Posse Comitatus Act


That's the only reason you need to question this article, it is illegal. I don't care the times we live in have changed you should not be able to have American military policing our streets, it gives to much power to the PRESIDENT IN CHARGE AND HIS POLITICAL PARTY.

Quit spreading ignorant misinformation. The Posse Comitatus Act doesn't really even exist today because laws have been created which bypass it. It's just a remnant of the civil war.

For starters, in the U.S Code, the President pretty much has free reign:

§ 332. Use of militia and armed forces to enforce Federal authority

Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.

In the Act itself, the Congress can bypass it... which they already have by creating the above law, and another one below (among a few others)

it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress

this chapter does not include or permit direct participation by a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps in a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity unless participation in such activity by such member is otherwise authorized by law.

Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus

and under U.S Code again:

333. Major public emergencies; interference with State and Federal law

(a) Use of Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies.—

(1) The President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to—

(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that—

(i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order; and

(ii) such violence results in a condition described in paragraph (2); or

(B) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such insurrection, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition described in paragraph (2).

(2) A condition described in this paragraph is a condition that—

(A) so hinders the execution of the laws of a State or possession, as applicable, and of the United States within that State or possession, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State or possession are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or

(B) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.

(3) In any situation covered by paragraph (1)(B), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.

(b) Notice to Congress.— The President shall notify Congress of the determination to exercise the authority in subsection (a)(1)(A) as soon as practicable after the determination and every 14 days thereafter during the duration of the exercise of that authority.

The End. The military will be standing by for when the President decides to use them.

reply to post by damdevildog


My purpose is not to offend anyone. I have a slow dial up here so I just got around to these pages of the thread. I have lived all over this country, and yes, there is a distinct overall cultural difference, whether or not you personally fall into it. That said. I respect your opinions and do see where you are coming from. Having the troops home, here patrolling our borders and streets and aiding in disater type situations rather than over in some sh*&hole where most people there could care less what happens to them is fine. Heck, it's noble. In theory and in practice. I'm concerned about the potential and all too real abuse of that position and power. If the fellow citizens were armed and trained I'd have no cause for alarm, we'd just be brother helping brother. But, unfortuanately, they are not predominately armed and trained- and are IMHO grossly under armed and trained. That would be a dangerous balance of power to have.

presidential elections make very little difference. obama or mccain do not matter in the greater scheme of things. every president is but a puppet of the powers that be. what about the illegality of using military troops to act as law enforcement on American soil? laws mean very little to those we have entrusted to protect freedom. give me liberty or give me death? demand liberty and die!