Obama Forgery Exposed (Dr. Polarik Official Use)

out of curiosity who would have the burden of proof if this came to a head? and which would be harder to prove in this case?

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Let me just remind you of one thing, this is on Berg's website, and obviously sanctioned by him. Not that it would make a difference to you, seeing as you're in the Obama camp. But Berg appears to be pretty careful about what he's doing, and I find it hard to believe that he would sanction anything less than credible at this stage of the game, with a pending action due from the Obama team in the SC case.

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The reason would be for money. You can donate money on his site. I saw in a comment on another board that some lady admitted to giving $2000 to his "cause". Now, I'm sure not every person is giving that kind of money, but a few dollars here, and a few dollars there and it racks up. (Just look at how much Obama raised for his campaign)

I find it very difficult to take anyone seriously when they are asking for donations to "futher their cause" especially when there have been Hawaii officials that state that it is authentic and all his "sources" have remained anonymous.

The OP referenced "I envented the Internet". Is he referencing Al Gore?

If so, the video maker loses all credibilty by being another person who took Gore's words completely out of context.

Stupid.

The OP referenced "I invented the Internet". Is he referencing Al Gore?

If so, the video maker loses all credibilty by being another person who took Gore's words completely out of context.

Stupid.

[edit on 27-11-2008 by Irish M1ck]

reply to post by mel1962


oh well mel no one has proven anything. this is the dilema.
sooooooooooo i will ask again,besides your blind following,what is the logic in not proving his being qualified to become president?
if a govern...i mean group of people can slam 3 jets into buildings,and then find one of the hijackers licenses, why is it above the power of a top official of the most powerful government on earth to be able to falsify this birth certificate? ahhhhhh it finally hit me. HE'S AN HONEST POLITICIAN!!!!!!!!!
AND AS USUAL, EVERY OBAMATRON SKIPS MY LAST POST,BECAUSE IT ASKS FOR ANSWERS TO LOGICAL QUESTIONS.
what's the matter? feel lost by the end of the post? glazed over?a little voice tell you to go to the next post and disregard this one?
the power of a cult trance is extremely powerful,isn't it?

[edit on 27-11-2008 by Spectre0o0]

Originally posted by Irish M1ck
The OP referenced "I envented the Internet". Is he referencing Al Gore?

If so, the video maker loses all credibilty by being another person who took Gore's words completely out of context.

Stupid.

How else should someone take Al Gore's words? Seems pretty clear and to the point to me.
It's like saying "I like o eat potato chips." Pretty straight forward and cannot really be misconstrued as anything else.

So why don't you tell us what Al Gore was saying when he said he created the internet.

In any case, I wouldn't want him to ever be my president because he might say something like this "I will kill every man and woman on the planet and rape there children." when in all actuality he would just be saying "I have a new tax bill that will lower taxes.".

-Lahara

reply to post by Walkswithfish


Who cares what the rest of the world thinks? We are the USA, not an international state. We should follow the laws of the USA. If Obama is a citizen, then so be it. If he isn't, then we need to find another president. If Obama is legit, then fine. Let's get it right, either way!!

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there is hope for us yet

reply to post by TheRandom1


First of all, I cannot believe that I have had so much to drink this Thanksgiving that I spelled it "envented".

Second, anyone who knows about the quote knows he was saying that he helped bring about the government legislation that helped create the funding and growth of the Internet (which is true).

Any fact check site will tell you that. Jesus, look it up already.

Originally posted by mel1962
So far, I have provided facts and you have provided hearsay!

I don't know about facts, but you've certainly provided your fair share of emoticons.

This is all information I've seen before. Until someone can find an appropriate argument for why Obama is willing to spend over $800,000 to fight demands to see his long form BC rather than spend $10 and produce it...I will remain unconvinced. Whether it's actually the case or not, he's acting like a man who has something to hide.

Originally posted by Spectre0o0
reply to post by mel1962

 

oh well mel no one has proven anything. this is the dilema.
sooooooooooo i will ask again,besides your blind following,what is the logic in not proving his being qualified to become president?
if a govern...i mean group of people can slam 3 jets into buildings,and then find one of the hijackers licenses, why is it above the power of a top official of the most powerful government on earth to be able to falsify this birth certificate? ahhhhhh it finally hit me. HE'S AN HONEST POLITICIAN!!!!!!!!!

AND AS USUAL, EVERY OBAMATRON SKIPS MY LAST POST,BECAUSE IT ASKS FOR ANSWERS TO LOGICAL QUESTIONS.
what's the matter? feel lost by the end of the post? glazed over?a little voice tell you to go to the next post and disregard this one?
the power of a cult trance is extremely powerful,isn't it?

[edit on 27-11-2008 by Spectre0o0]

Touche and Tin Foil away, facts and figures mean nothing, but the greater the conspiracy the truer the lie must be . . . Oh, well its been fun to debate the tin foil crowd, but I must move on, as it is obvious no facts will satisfy your minds that have been cozened by Mr. Berg and company.

"So long boys, see you in the funny papers"

Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by TheRandom1

 

First of all, I cannot believe that I have had so much to drink this Thanksgiving that I spelled it "envented".

Second, anyone who knows about the quote knows he was saying that he helped bring about the government legislation that helped create the funding and growth of the Internet (which is true).

Any fact check site will tell you that. Jesus, look it up already.

You should quit drinking, it's obviously effecting your judgment.

That is not what he was talking about.

-Lahara

I see a pattern here with all the presz lately. With Bush it was that "he was going to declare marshal law in order to stay in office", and now with Obama its "He wasn't even born here".

[edit on 27-11-2008 by FearSoul]

Originally posted by mel1962

Originally posted by vonholland

Originally posted by mel1962
Phil Berg is nothing more than a fraud and charlatan, he has been fined for unethical behavior by a federal judge . . .

Berg Fined $10k for Unethical Behavior!

and here is what Mr. Berg really is . . .

He is a Charlatan!

It's unfortunate that somebody who is an attorney and has some mental problems get's any press or attention.

any proof of his mental problems?

How about the fact he is a Fraud, Charlatan and Unethical Lawyer, it does not exactly paint a picture of a healthy mind or normal thinking!

He's a LAWYER ... What do you expect ? They are ALL that way ! LoL

[edit on 11/27/2008 by Evisscerator]

reply to post by TheRandom1Gore or the OP?

reply to post by Walkswithfish


>>What will the free world think of us if we disqualify our president based on these allegations AFTER the election?

Originally posted by Avenginggecko
I really wish ATS had an emoticon that could bang its head against a brick wall, because I feel like doing this every time another Obama's BC isn't real thread.

Everything in that video has been debunked.

Souter never, ever ordered Obama to show a vault BC

Hawaii has stated they have Obama's VBC

Obama has shown his COLB

Hawaiin law states that if someone is born anywhere other than Hawaii, the COLB would reflect that because the VBC would reflect that

If Obama did fake his BC, why would he have done such an absolutely lousy job of it? Do you really think these people who have claimed it as a forgery, who aren't experts at forgeries or birth certificates, would somehow so easily debunk a BC that a master specialist in forged documents made?

Don't get me wrong, I love debating politics, but I don't feel like I'm debating anything when it's the same flawed logic and leaps of assumption used over and over again. If this issue doesn't die soon, I sincerely hope it's because some new and true evidence comes out.

You obviously don't have a clue here. A Certificate of Live Birth is not a Birth Certificate. The State of Hawaii has not delivered an actual Birth Certificate on Obama.

Justice Souter did in fact order Obama and the DNC to produce a "Vault Copy" of the original Birth Certificate and they must present it by December 1st, 2008.

Justice Thomas has scheduled a Conference with all of the Justices for December 5th to decide what to do about this matter. That is 5 days before the Electoral College votes on who will be President.

And, Again, the Electoral College DOES NOT HAVE TO VOTE the way of the Popular Vote. They could elect McCain.

We shall see what transpires.

By the Way, here is a clear definition of what a DEBUNKER is:

What is a Debunker?

DEBUNKER -

A Debunker is an individual who strongly believes that certain claims are false, exaggerated, unscientific or pretentious and therefore discredits and exposes them.[1] Topics that many debunkers focus on include U.F.O.s, claimed paranormal phenomena, alternative medicine, research outside mainstream science or pseudoscientific subjects. The term debunker is applied when a person functions as an activist and performs research, writes articles, holds speeches, conducts seminars, or engages in other activities with the specific intent of disproving what the debunker believes to be a dubious, bizarre, or abnormal claim, and hopefully conclusively disproves the validity of the event and/or object. They usually are frustrated people who can't get a break or need attention they feel they deserve and end up trying to tear down someone who is credible with inaccurate and false statements in order to take their fame and fortune away.

As a slang term, debunking is the act of disproving a proposal or theory, generally in an academic or scientific sense.




[edit on 11/27/2008 by Evisscerator]

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Damn! Let me try this again.

"What will the free world think of us if we disqualify our president based on these allegations AFTER the election? "

They will think we are honest and determined to do the right thing no matter what the cost?

What's wrong with that?

I'm sure the feds took all these points into account when he decided to run for office. You got to remember that this isn't a McDonalds job he's going to start in Jan, It's the prez of the USA. Come on now! They found out one of two things: 1. They know he was born in kenya but want him anyways and already made a fake BC 2. He is actually born in USA

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Alright, enough with the generalizations already.

Let's get down to business and discuss the points this man is bringing about in his text and on this video. He seems to make some valid points, and obviously spent a damn long time coming to his conclusions. He's not just a passerby internet poster making generalizations about the election and patriotism. He is providing specific problems with the documents.

Yes, your right.

I also add that anyone that will fraud their way into the office...
will fraud their way in the office.

Don't get me wrong, I am no fan of Mc Cain either, but
the civilian defense force larger than the US military just
sounds like something I read in my history books ?

There are other bones of contention, but why bother.