India Under Terror Attack! At least ten people killed in Mumbai shootings: TV (now 125 +)

reply to post by 27jd


As I mentioned before. We have NO IDEA the situation when that picture was taken...
NO SOLDIER, nay NOBODY PERIOD, is going to walk around with weapon-at-ready for over 30 hours!
You don't know what was going on around him. Maybe he was in an obviously cleared zone and he dropped his weapon!
I'll tell you this much, though. It is a "fact" that they took out many police officers (if you believe some of the reports, they took out more policemen than they had in number of attackers!)... They also took out at least FOUR high level people. Three top level counter terrorism agents and a MAJOR of the NSG... Top brass.
These guys were good, there is no doubt. In fact, the fact that most of the pictures illustrate ONE MAN make me VERY curious!

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
As I mentioned before. We have NO IDEA the situation when that picture was taken...

Did you see both pics in that sequence? It looked alot to me as if he were raising the AK with one hand to fire at somebody, I suppose though he could have been directing one of his buddies with the gun. Either way, if the person who took that picture was holding a gun instead of a camera, he would have taken a slug to the teeth and not even seen it coming.

NO SOLDIER, nay NOBODY PERIOD, is going to walk around with weapon-at-ready for over 30 hours!

That image was taken very early in the attack, at the train station, it hadn't even been an hour yet.

You don't know what was going on around him. Maybe he was in an obviously cleared zone and he dropped his weapon!

Okay, maybe the person taking the picture was invisible to him.

I'll tell you this much, though. It is a "fact" that they took out many police officers (if you believe some of the reports, they took out more policemen than they had in number of attackers!)... They also took out at least FOUR high level people. Three top level counter terrorism agents and a MAJOR of the NSG... Top brass.

I believe most of their kills on the police were scored by lobbing grenades, and what in the hell was their counter terrorism chief doing running directly into the line of fire?? I think these guys had people (other extremists) on the inside a few places.

These guys were good, there is no doubt. In fact, the fact that most of the pictures illustrate ONE MAN make me VERY curious!

I still think any training they recieved was in extremist camps, ours or the Indian government may or may not have known about it ahead of time though. Maybe they let it happen, kinda like our government let 9/11 happen because they saw an opportunity to push an agenda. I think there may have been some looking the other way, but no actual involvement from any state.

This just out on local news channels..

Apparently on the 19th-20th of this Indian Intelligence agencies had issued an advisory of a seaborne terror attack in conjunction with US inputs..
Similar warnings from the coast guard..

So who ignored these warnings? State politicos? Center politicos?
There may not be a conspiracy to set up a false flag operation.. but there are definite signs of serious conspiracy that amounts to sheer incompetency at various levels including the inability to act and deploy relevant forces for relevant situations in the least amount of time.

new accusations that the NSG, though originally formed to deal with hijack and hostage situations, has been primarily dealing with VIP and VVIP security..

The Indian media is ripping this apart.. Serious questions being asked.. Heads may roll..

Sounds more like 9/11 all the time . Next thing we'll hear is the Indian navy couldn't respond because they were off on some kind of terror exercise off the coast of bangladesh and larry silverstein only just purchased the Taj hotel and took out a big insurance out on it against any act of terrorism.

Make sure they don't knock those hotels down and whisk them off to china as rubble before they take any fingerprints.

Must say thou , if americans get any grief for their media being in anyway complicit , they only got to point at India's media and say , it ain't just us . Then again, it's about global now , as we saw with the way they handled the Georgia/Russia conflict.

[edit on 29-11-2008 by Gun Totin Gerbil]

reply to post by 27jd


maybe it was a CCTV? That means that terrorist wouldnt be seeing it. Even if the terrorist fighting skill sucks, we have to admit that their organisational skill is good.

Heads no need to roll. All the top brass are already dead.

reply to post by hitmen


I'm talking about political incompetency in the use of funds and resources..
Also the administrative sections of the executive arm which decide who does what and who gets what liberties..

reply to post by Daedalus3


Gives a little more clout to the idea this could be an inside job afterall...
Land transfer. BJP.

Alright, I've got to let go of this issue. The implications are becoming very scary. I've cast my lot.
I believe that violence will erupt somewhere along the western border of India very soon. This will happen because WHOMEVER is responsible for these actions will be URGING Pakistan to deploy troops as they have threatened to do. When the violence escalates, the US will move into Pakistan through Afghanistan... And then... Well, I'll just say I hope I'm wrong.


[edit on 29-11-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

Originally posted by hitmen
maybe it was a CCTV? That means that terrorist wouldnt be seeing it.

Apparently it was a photo taken by a Sebastian D'souza...

www.boston.com...

*some graphic images on that site*

He took a couple of pics, one of the two together in the rail station I hadn't seen yet. Looking more closely at the larger photo I see now it looks like he was about to grab the AK with both hands, but they still seem out in the open and a bit maniacal to me...could be because they just started the attack and didn't expect any return fire yet, I don't know. I do agree they were well organized, just like 9/11, but that didn't mean the hijackers were great pilots. It doesn't take alot of skill to cut people to pieces with an AKs in crowded places, look at how long those gunmen lasted out in the open in LA against the entire police force. Terrorists always have the advantage of not having to be careful that innocents don't get killed and using them as shields, the Indian authorities were under the microscope of the entire world, live.

Originally posted by Daedalus3
reply to post by mikesingh

 

It has to be covert and not overt like 2001. no massive troop movements etc etc.. Those only incur tense responses from everyone else.

Precision strikes and cleaner operations. I honestly don't know if the Indian Armed Forces are prepped for carrying that out cleanly..
They need solid intel which I doubt they have..
Will they go on what this captured terrorist says?

You are right on when you say that retaliation should be covert. The Indians have the intell and know the location of almost every terrorist training camp in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. But unfortunately India lacks the political will to conduct any overt or covert actions inside Pakistan. Or else by now, the terrorist camps in POK would have been blown to pieces a long time ago.

The cost to human life in the Taj and Trident is staggering! And something needs to be done about it. Terrorist attacks in India have become a ritual. And politicians seem to grope in the dark on effective strategies that should and must be adopted. They can't just do 'fire fighting' each time. They need to start getting pro-active now or face the specter of more innocent lives being lost.


A Black Cat Commando (SAG)
after plastering the last of the
terrorists at the Taj.
Courtesy: HT City


These guys are ready! Is the Government of India?

reply to post by Jay-in-AR


Well lets just say that if it were an inside job involving Indian politicos that I will be impressed.. academically of course..
Because I believe this is pure unadultered incompetence that has been exploited, not anything else.. no need for elaborate conspiracies..

btw the Home Minister Shivraj Patil has just tendered his resignation..
Heads rolling..

reply to post by Jay-in-AR


BJP/RSS backed up by mossad and cia to get a few brainwashed pakistani to appear on cameras with machine guns and organise the snipers for the top guys.

(reviews I came across on Karkare and Kamte made me shiver.)

edit: election campaign shamelessly started by bjp two days before already. they didn't even bother with any genuine mourning or in showing solidarity with bombay/maharastra/india but went direct for the hateful speech.


[edit on 30-11-2008 by ::.mika.::]

Heroism of different kind:

www.ndtv.com...

See , now there is more stuff coming out on this BJP connection and the suspicious death of the ATS chief . See this thread , and the article it links too .

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Daedalus3


Here's heroism and devotion to duty of another kind:

The GM of the hotel staying with his wife and children on the 6th floor of the Taj, was busy helping in the evacuation of guests in the Taj lobby when he was informed that his wife and children were trapped in the room with a raging fire on. They could not be saved and their burnt bodies were soon after found in the bathroom.

But in spite of him being aware of their horrific deaths, he continued helping in the evacuation of the guests from the Taj!

If this is not devotion to duty of the highest order, then what is?



[edit on 30-11-2008 by mikesingh]

Originally posted by Gun Totin Gerbil
See , now there is more stuff coming out on this BJP connection and the suspicious death of the ATS chief . See this thread , and the article it links too .

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This is the biggest bullsh!t I've heard in a long while! The article is way out of sinc with reality! The Indian military establishment is aiding the right wing nationals in a 'soft' coup?? Lol! Now if that isn't the crappiest joke this century, then I'll eat my Mexican hat!

[edit on 30-11-2008 by mikesingh]

BREAKING NEWS.
Just wated NDTV saing that the govt is suspending peace process and ordered troop buildp along the kashmir border!

No body really knows. That is why we are here on ATS. After all, who has intimate knowledge of the police head and the ATS head and wadever. No one will ever know.

Originally posted by mikesingh
Now if that isn't the crappiest joke this century, then I'll eat my Mexican hat!

then just eat it,
because the crappiest joke of XXIst is about a man with a beard in a cave bringing down 3 towers with a couple of box-cutters and some kerosene

reply to post by mikesingh



When you say "The Indian military establishment is aiding the right wing nationals in a 'soft' coup??" , I think you are reading the article as saying the Indian military are unanimous on the issue .

What it says here .. from the article , is that an element , a core group , within the military establishment hold those views.

Exploiting the fears of a traumatized nation and a government caught sleeping at the wheel, a core group of rightwing ideologues within India’s military, intelligence and political elite are trying to overthrow Manmohan Singh’s government.

As in .. like they are like an inner cabal , not necessarily representative of the group as a whole . That is the way I am reading it ...

So, they would be using .. a kind of soft leverage , ie by influence etc.. rather than an actual military coup.




[edit on 30-11-2008 by Gun Totin Gerbil]

I don't know if anyone else has posted this... I hadn't seen it here yet...

www.dailymail.co.uk...

An account with some info from interrogating the one terrorist they captured alive, although from his own story, it sounds like part of the plan was for him to be captured alive to tell this story...
I found it interesting that the whole attack (not including possible support personal at sea) once in Mumbai was a total of 10 guys! Oh yeah, the captured dude had traces of drugs in his system, presumably stimulants.