India Under Terror Attack! At least ten people killed in Mumbai shootings: TV (now 125 +)

Originally posted by deltaboy
reply to post by Jay-in-AR

 

No no no, it has to be the U.S. govt. This attack was too sophisticated, too well planned, only few Americans killed. No Islamic terrorist group are this smart to be able to commit such a well planned attack.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course, but let's not present said opinion as if it were fact.

Let's assume for moment that this was a para-military operation. Why do you assume it would have to be orchestrated by the US? AQ and other organizations conduct training camps and, if so inclined, would be more than able to plan and execute an attack like the one in India.

Once the terrorists found their way into the hotels, they were in a very strong defensive position. Especially if, as reported, they were intimately familiar with the hotels and were able to set up command centers with the use of the CCTV Security systems.

Again, you are free to believe as you wish but it seems you and others like you arrive at a conclusion and then seek supporting evidence rather than keeping an open mind as to who may have perpetrated the attack and the motives for doing so.

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I think he is saying it as a kind of satirical parody , it's not what he actually believes.

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I'm not sure of that, but I could be wrong. He only stuck around for a couple of posts. I think he was being serious.

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR

I can only come up with one group that is definately going to lose out in this situation. What happens next will be very telling, though.
The Pakistani Government is going to get the raw end of the deal here, almost certainly. The US will move into Pakistan. The terrorist groups, unless they are completely erradicated (don't hold your breath there) are going to succeed in their agenda of keeping Pakistan unstable, thus a safe haven for their base of operations. India is going to retaliate against Pakistan and lets just see if they use this to put a clamp down on Kashmir... It is sounding like a win/win for America, India and the terrorists. A lose/lose for Pakistan.

I've said it before in regards to Iraq and I'll say it again. Democratic governments don't work when they are being implemented in feudalist regions.
Oh yeah, and as someone else said way back, this is going to work wonders for LeT, or whomever's, recruitment. These gunmen will be seen as legends in those circles.

This is the main reason this smells like a false flag to me. Qui bono? The Paki's would have to be crazy to make themselves a bigger target just when they're already being bombed. It don't make sense. And if it is a bunch of crazy radicals, why would they want to insure the loss of Islam's only nuclear power? It’s amazing to me just how often the terrorists do things that play right into the hands of the West’s plans.

Also, the Israeli connections make me suspicious.

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Yeah, he used to be more serious, lol. I think all the percieved anti-Americanism on this site turned him cynical and sarcastic, right delta?

Originally posted by resistor
And if it is a bunch of crazy radicals, why would they want to insure the loss of Islam's only nuclear power?

Maybe they hope they will gain control of the nuclear weapons as Pakistan's government falls apart under the Indian attacks...

Originally posted by resistor
Also, the Israeli connections make me suspicious.

Like these ones :

.......intelligence agencies have started investigations of the meetings of the Israeli delegation and local Sadhus, Sanths and dharam gurus. It is mentioned that the delegation of Israeli Jewish religious leaders has met leaders and dharam gurus from RSS, Sangh Parivar, VHP and BJP. Lal Krishna Advani had arranged a dinner for the visiting Israeli Jewish religious leaders' delegation and others included in the delegation, at his own residence. According to high official, though the meeting of Sangh Parivar's leaders to Israeli delegation is not of undue importance, but the way America's secret service, CIA and Israel's secret agency, Mossad, are infiltrating in Central Asian and South Asian countries, it is giving strength to the suspicions that in such delegations, members of foreign intelligence get included and through interaction and infiltration, secret operations are carried out. Those organisations that organise and support such visits and meetings, may or may not be aware of the secret mission of foreign agencies, the truth can come out only on investigations. For this reason, the national agencies are now concentrating on investigation of Sangh Parivar and its connections with Israeli lobby and Mossad.

Edit : forgot link

ghulammuhammed.blogspot.com...


[edit on 29-11-2008 by Gun Totin Gerbil]

Originally posted by Gun Totin Gerbil
I wonder how long this Ajmal Mohammed Amir Kasab has to live now he has pointed the finger at pakistan instead of revealing who he really works for . I see a lee harvey oswald event in the near future , or died under interrogation .

Apparently there is only one living terrorist in custody now which ofcourse completely contradicts earlier reports of captured terrorists who revealed plans for the ongoing event. Where did those guys go??? Now we learn there were only 10 attackers!

[edit on 29-11-2008 by Leo Strauss]

This whole thing STINKS. And as further info becomes available, it STINKS EVEN MORE!
The FBI BEING SENT?... WTF is that about?! How about the FBI work on the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LEVEL?... We have LOTS of stuff they could be focused on. Where is Jimmy Hoffa?!!! Anything!!!

I can assure you that the last thing India needs is one of our alphabet beaurocracies working on THEIR investigation.
You can bet your bottom dollar that if there IS American involvement, at ANY LEVEL, it won't be known now.
Am I the only one that sees this? What does India stand to gain from allowing a foreign investigative unit coming into to help them solve A CRIME?

Oh, I know, how about INSTEAD, the FBI focus on the Bush/Ken Lay connection... Or the fact that Tim Russert, the man called into congress over the Valerie Plame TREASON CASE AGAINST CHENEY, died of a heart attack...

[edit on 29-11-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

In related news...

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- A suspected U.S. missile from an unmanned drone killed three people Saturday in Pakistan's tribal region, according to a Pakistani military source and a North Waziristan official.

www.cnn.com...

The only terrorist caught, happends to be the one that was in the photo, plastered all over the news for the last 3 days, pakistan and india are at war.. God help us.

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
The FBI BEING SENT?... WTF is that about?!

The FBI investigates pretty much anytime US citizens are killed abroad, as much as the host country allows them to of course, if you haven't watched the movie The Kingdom, you should, there's alot of parallels to this situation in it.

alCIAida terrorist never stop

Here is a picture for those who have only seen one of the terrorists; The one captured. This one shows a second guy; He looks a bit different from the first but still no blondes.






[edit on 29-11-2008 by beaverg]

It's strange that out of at least 10 to 20 attackers, pics are only circulating of 2. Surely there were more people in that part of India with cameras. The guy on the left must like the spotlight, he's been in every pic and was the one captured too. I'll bet his nipples are being twisted pretty hard right about now...

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[edit on 29-11-2008 by 27jd]

Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
I'm still sticking to my guns on a figure of 80+ gunmen. I just don't think they could have pulled it off with less than that.

I'd have to say around 20ish. I think 80 dudes with AK's could and would kill alot more than a couple hundred. That's 2400 rounds if they each only had one 30 round mag. Anyway, you were in the military, looking at the pic of the guy in the train station do you really think he had extensive professional training?? He seemed wide open to me, and if that situation happened here in Arizona, or there in Arkansas, at least a few probably could have been taken out by armed civilians. I just think the Indian authorities don't have the same training, and I even venture to say some of them looked bored and not all the way invested in the fight. I realize it would be an extremely anxious situation being in that hotel not knowing if they were gonna blow it, and I think the building itself is what made it seem like they were holding them off for so long as some have said. I just can't get on board with them being anything other than religious fanatics with big guns and a real desire to die fighting.

One thing you have to realize is that not every country is like America where guns are legalised. i dont think India civilians are licensed to have guns.

How someone holds his AK is not relevant to his fighting skills.

I am willingly to bet that the poor chap dont even know the total strength. He was just told what he was supposed to know. When under interrogation, he will know nothing.

What I don't understand is how did 10 people kill over 200 including several major police officials in a city like Mumbai where there are armed police all over the place and so called 'Commandos' NSG.

Mumbai had so much fire power in that city how the hell did 10 people who supposedly came off a boat wearing Versace t-shirts cause so much destruction?

Oh, and they had time to take a police van, change into police clothes and drive about shooting civilians!?

Unbelievable! Something smells really fishy here...

Did India WANT their own 9/11 I wonder?

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[edit on 29-11-2008 by Jinni]

Originally posted by hitmen
How someone holds his AK is not relevant to his fighting skills.

I agree about India not having a readily armed general population like the US, but I have to disagree about his fighting skills, I have a very similar AK to the one he was using, I've shot it with one hand with the stock folded and you obviously cannot aim for crap, an AK is not a handgun (not that variant anyway), and I can't imagine a highly trained professional walking through a hot situation the way he was. I could be wrong though, but I still believe that if any terrorist org had fighters as skilled as many believe these guys were, they wouldn't send them to die. They would be better used to protect the heads of the organization and such...

Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by hitmen
How someone holds his AK is not relevant to his fighting skills.

I agree about India not having a readily armed general population like the US, but I have to disagree about his fighting skills, I have a very similar AK to the one he was using, I've shot it with one hand with the stock folded and you obviously cannot aim for crap, an AK is not a handgun (not that variant anyway), and I can't imagine a highly trained professional walking through a hot situation the way he was. I could be wrong though, but I still believe that if any terrorist org had fighters as skilled as many believe these guys were, they wouldn't send them to die. They would be better used to protect the heads of the organization and such...

maybe he wasnt shooting it at that time so he dont need to hold it with 2 hands. No one shoots a rifle with 1 hand and everyone knows that.

Maybe those that escaped are planning something behind the scenes.

maybe the chief head have another brunch of people more highly trained?