Study finds only 'mystery planes' produce persistant 'contrails'

Originally posted by Chadwickus

Originally posted by thefreepatriot
Yes All aircrafts are required to be tracked.. but to say ALL AIRCRAFT are tracked by the FAA is ludricious.. so you are saying if the military has a top secret aircraft they will let the FAA track it?

I guess that's why the military has areas of restricted airspace, so they can fly their secret aircrafts without being watched.

[edit on 26-11-2008 by Chadwickus]

Many top secret crafts have operated beyond restricted airspace.. take for example the blackbird.. So you are basically asserting the blackbird left its transponder ON when doing reconnissence flights to Russia during the cold war???

[edit on 26-11-2008 by thefreepatriot]

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3-4-5. Military Operations Areas a. MOAs consist of airspace of defined vertical and lateral limits established for the purpose of separating certain military training activities from IFR traffic. Whenever a MOA is being used, nonparticipating IFR traffic may be cleared through a MOA if IFR separation can be provided by ATC. Otherwise, ATC will reroute or restrict nonparticipating IFR traffic. b. Examples of activities conducted in MOAs include, but are not limited to: air combat tactics, air intercepts, aerobatics, formation training, and low-altitude tactics. Military pilots flying in an active MOA are exempted from the provisions of 14 CFR Section 91.303(c) and (d) which prohibits aerobatic flight within Class D and Class E surface areas, and within Federal airways. Additionally, the Department of Defense has been issued an authorization to operate aircraft at indicated airspeeds in excess of 250 knots below 10,000 feet MSL within active MOAs.

Your red herrings are getting tiresome.

Totally a double-post but I feel this is important knowledge on the topic.

If my first hand experiences are anything to go by, the account is true. The planes which leave contrails around New York State are always pure white in color, leave massive smoke trails which obviously spread across the entire sky, and look very much smaller than commercial airliners. Often these mystery planes fly very low as well!

My scary experience:

I was deeply studying chemtrails in high school and started to freak out on them even harder when I saw multiple instances of UFO discs flying next to the planes spaying the dust. Then, one day while we were outside playing hacky sack looking at chemtrails, one of the planes flew no higher than 150 meters above my highschool spraying the same chemical. It was no way high enough to produce ice crystals, and it was a sunny warm day as well.

This is just my 2 cents, but I would gladly state it under oath with my hand on the Bible.

Originally posted by Moon Knight
reply to post by marsha law

 

Hmm. What's fluoride in the water got to do with "chemtrails"?

I'll tell ya.

Nothin.

You're just trying to muddy the waters here.

There are no "mystery planes" either. They are just removed from the logs prior to the info bein released. Don't u read this stuff before quoting it?"





A member from germany said that if they wanted to poison us they would do it through our water supply. I was responding to that.

Also there may be a connection:

" Research shows the amount of barium in our atmosphere exceeds by 8 times the level deemed safe for humans to breathe.

Aluminum is a protoplasmic poison and a pernicious and persistent neurotoxin. Aluminum affects diverse metabolic reactions.

Aluminum is Toxic to Osteoblasts and Directly Inhibits Skeletal Mineralization.

Fluoride Exacerbates Aluminums Inhibition of Mineralization

Fluoride Helps Aluminum Cross the Blood-Brain Barrier.

Fluoride ions in the presence of trace amounts of aluminum are able to act with powerful pharmacological effects.

the quote is from here.www.youarebeingpoisoned.com...

Aluminum and barium are thought to comprise the main components of chemtrails

[edit on 26-11-2008 by marsha law]

Originally posted by thefreepatriot

Many top secret crafts have operated beyond restricted airspace.. take for example the blackbird.. So you are basically asserting the blackbird left its transponder ON when doing reconnissence flights to Russia during the cold war???

[edit on 26-11-2008 by thefreepatriot]

3-2-2. Class A Airspace a. Definition. Generally, that airspace from 18,000 feet MSL up to and including FL 600, including the airspace overlying the waters within 12 nautical miles of the coast of the 48 contiguous States and Alaska; and designated international airspace beyond 12 nautical miles of the coast of the 48 contiguous States and Alaska within areas of domestic radio navigational signal or ATC radar coverage, and within which domestic procedures are applied.

Filling in the holes in your knowledge is getting even more tiresome.

Originally posted by Phage

Originally posted by thefreepatriot

Many top secret crafts have operated beyond restricted airspace.. take for example the blackbird.. So you are basically asserting the blackbird left its transponder ON when doing reconnissence flights to Russia during the cold war???

[edit on 26-11-2008 by thefreepatriot]

3-2-2. Class A Airspace a. Definition. Generally, that airspace from 18,000 feet MSL up to and including FL 600, including the airspace overlying the waters within 12 nautical miles of the coast of the 48 contiguous States and Alaska; and designated international airspace beyond 12 nautical miles of the coast of the 48 contiguous States and Alaska within areas of domestic radio navigational signal or ATC radar coverage, and within which domestic procedures are applied.

Filling in the holes in your knowledge is getting even more tiresome.

What does this have to do with top secret military air traffic ?

Originally posted by Phage

Originally posted by thefreepatriot

Many top secret crafts have operated beyond restricted airspace.. take for example the blackbird.. So you are basically asserting the blackbird left its transponder ON when doing reconnissence flights to Russia during the cold war???

[edit on 26-11-2008 by thefreepatriot]

3-2-2. Class A Airspace a. Definition. Generally, that airspace from 18,000 feet MSL up to and including FL 600, including the airspace overlying the waters within 12 nautical miles of the coast of the 48 contiguous States and Alaska; and designated international airspace beyond 12 nautical miles of the coast of the 48 contiguous States and Alaska within areas of domestic radio navigational signal or ATC radar coverage, and within which domestic procedures are applied.

Filling in the holes in your knowledge is getting even more tiresome.

you mean cutting and pasting "holes"

Originally posted by blowfishdl
Totally a double-post but I feel this is important knowledge on the topic.

If my first hand experiences are anything to go by, the account is true. The planes which leave contrails around New York State are always pure white in color, leave massive smoke trails which obviously spread across the entire sky, and look very much smaller than commercial airliners. Often these mystery planes fly very low as well!

My scary experience:

I was deeply studying chemtrails in high school and started to freak out on them even harder when I saw multiple instances of UFO discs flying next to the planes spaying the dust. Then, one day while we were outside playing hacky sack looking at chemtrails, one of the planes flew no higher than 150 meters above my highschool spraying the same chemical. It was no way high enough to produce ice crystals, and it was a sunny warm day as well.

This is just my 2 cents, but I would gladly state it under oath with my hand on the Bible.

lets just say the planes were flying 1000 feet and they seemed to be that low.. how would the weatherman here explain contrails being produced at such a low altitude????? in a warm sunny day?

Originally posted by thefreepatriot


What does this have to do with top secret military air traffic ?

Now I have to read for you too?

It means that aircraft flying above 60,000 feet are not required to fly IFR. It means that aircraft flying outside of designated international airspace are not required to fly IFR.



[edit on 26-11-2008 by Phage]

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So you are saying that all military aircraft including top secret aircrafts always obey this??? thats a bit presumptious don't you think?

Originally posted by Phage

Originally posted by thefreepatriot


What does this have to do with top secret military air traffic ?

Now I have to read for you too?

It means that aircraft flying above 60,000 feet are not required to fly IFR. It means that aircraft flying outside of designated international airspace are not required to fly IFR.



[edit on 26-11-2008 by Phage]

I don't see where it says top secret military traffic has to oblige to these requirements.. I must be reading it wrong??


[edit on 26-11-2008 by thefreepatriot]

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Excellent job of bringing up the fluoride enrichment of our water supply!!

It is a neuro-toxin, it attacks the nervous system. It is a by-product of fertilizer and aluminum production, therefore it bonds to aluminum quite well. The brain cannot tell the difference between fluoride and a hydrogen ion, allowing the fluoride to deposit itself within brain tissue. It inhibits cholergic activity, which which basically is the function your body uses to turn off receptors in the brain and body. The inability to turn these receptors off creates feelings of inner tension, restlessness, and the inability to stay still. Usually involving: constant pacing, purposeless movement of the feet and legs, and marked anxiety. Sound familiar? These are the symptoms so readily described as ADD or ADHD. Fluoride will enter the brain easily carrying with it the attached aluminum. Large amounts of aluminum have recently been associated with Alzheimer's and Parkinson;s disease. The International Society for Fluoride Research(ISFR).

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Nurses Recommend Aluminum-Free Deodorants

According to Ms. Garland most commercial brands of antiperspirants and deodorants contain either aluminum chlorohydrate or aluminum zirconium. These compounds are very soluble and are readily absorbed by the body. Once in the body, the aluminum portion of the molecule ionizes, forming free radical aluminum (Al+++) This passes freely across cell membranes and forms a physical plug, that when dissolved is selectively absorbed by the liver, kidney, brain, cartilage and bone marrow. It is this concentration of aluminum that has been the source for concern in the medical community, and has prompted the research being done on Alzheimer's disease and Breast Cancer victims. The human body has a few areas that it uses to purge toxins: Behind the knees, ears, groin area and armpits. The toxins are purged in the form of perspiration.

www.naturalnews.com...

Makes you wonder about articles like:

Alzheimer's cases up 10% to 5 million in half decade

Indeed, government figures released last year that show small drops in deaths from most of the nation's leading killers between 2000 and 2004 — even as deaths attributed to Alzheimer's disease increased 33%.

www.usatoday.com...

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Ok fluoride is getting way off topic here...but I gotta ask, since fluoride has been added to water supplies since the 1940's, what detrimental effects has it had on an entire generation of people?

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thank you a little bit off topic but it just shows you how far the elite will go to obtain a goal... Its pretty insane when you think about it flouride is used as rat poison .. and when I goto the market I see in the isle flouridated water for babies!! then on the next isle where the rat\cockaroach poisons are.. you will find rat poison ... with the same ingredient.. as the baby nursery water!!!.. If the elite are treating us like rats.. who's to say they aren't doing more?

[edit on 26-11-2008 by thefreepatriot]

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I'm sure you believe that, but you need to have evidence if you want anyone else to rationally believe the same.

Originally posted by corvin77

Makes you wonder about articles like:

Alzheimer's cases up 10% to 5 million in half decade

Indeed, government figures released last year that show small drops in deaths from most of the nation's leading killers between 2000 and 2004 — even as deaths attributed to Alzheimer's disease increased 33%.

www.usatoday.com...

Not if you read the article:

and a count that supports the long-forecast dementia epidemic as the population grays.

[edit on 26-11-2008 by Phage]

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by corvin77

 

Ok fluoride is getting way off topic here...but I gotta ask, since fluoride has been added to water supplies since the 1940's, what detrimental effects has it had on an entire generation of people?

i wouldnt call it completly off topic..Well before the 1940s.. and I have spoken to many seniors on this.. you will never find as many children that couldnt sit still.. most children during the 40s actually did much better in schools then most kids do today(and could focus). Also look at cancer rates.. they have gone thru the roof in recent years when it was nearly non-existen 40-50 years ago. Also look at alzheimers... did it really exist as much back in the 60s? or even the 80s??Our health is falling apart.. and you really have to wonder why?? flouride seems to be the answer.. topple this with pollution, stress, pesticide laden foods. and you have a recipe for disaster to our health... this really needs to stop...

I spoke to my water plant manager and he told me that the flouride comes from a HAZ-MAT truck ... and the handlers are in Haz-mat uniforms...bringing the tanks in.. very dangerous.. and this is what we are giving our children???.....

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by corvin77

 

Ok fluoride is getting way off topic here...but I gotta ask, since fluoride has been added to water supplies since the 1940's, what detrimental effects has it had on an entire generation of people?

It is not completely off topic as it appears fluoride,aluminum and barium combine in a pernicious way.

Here is a wealth of info on fluoride. www.fluoridealert.org...

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I don't pay any attention to disinfo sites.

Yep bad stuff. But it is everywhere.

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