Study finds only 'mystery planes' produce persistant 'contrails'

Originally posted by TomIII
Eight years ago, I laughed at chemtrails and new Pearl Harbor and all that stuff.

After 8 years of the Chimpy regime, I'm not laughing anymore.

I wouldn't put it past our criminal government to do this to us.

(I expect this to get censored. You guys are just as bad as the government)

Censored? why would anyone censor you? you have just as much right to your opinion as anyone else here. Just because some people may not agree with you doesn't make them as bad as the government.

opinions are like a$$es. every one has one.

Originally posted by TomIII
Eight years ago, I laughed at chemtrails and new Pearl Harbor and all that stuff.

After 8 years of the Chimpy regime, I'm not laughing anymore.

I wouldn't put it past our criminal government to do this to us.

(I expect this to get censored. You guys are just as bad as the government)

I can understand having the stance of "the government could do anything" or "i wouldnt put it past them". But there comes a point where you have to think: "What would be their purpose of doing that" or "Why not do it this or that way".

There doesnt seem to be any logical reason WHY the government would be "spraying" chemicals upon us. For whatever reason you could think of, it wouldnt be a prudent way of doing it.

If their reason is to cause harm to the populace, there are FAR better ways of doing it that would never rise suspicion. The chemtrail idea just makes no sense!!

reply to post by Montana


Again ,sorry to cause confusion.

All three of those sites at the bottom of my last post are the debunker sites.

The study I posted was a guy trying to figure out which planes left the very persistent 'contrails'.... the non scheduled mystery planes unknown to the FAA system(planes flying around without permission) as it turns out.

I was trying to fight fire with fire by showing the chemtrail deniers a study that had been done that was unbiased.

The chemtrail deniers always use those debunker sites for ammo.

Is that clear now?

I guess so.

I was interested in seeing how serious chemtrails were currently being taken. If there was serious money being put into a science of chemtrails, I wanted to know how much and by whom was it being contributed.

I'm disappointed to find that you really have no evidence of this and were simply playing a game. Sigh......

Oh well, back to the game.

reply to post by marsha law


Fine. Just show us research - actual research - where samples have been taken from alleged chemtrails which showed strange chemicals one wouldn't expect from aircraft exhaust. Until you can do that, you don't know that these planes with their what appears to be normal persistent contrails are something else.

There is verifiable evidence, masses of studies, and very basic science that all point to contrails being just contrails - aircraft-induced condensation. Until you can show something different, which soil and water samples are NOT, you don't really have a point, and are arguing your opinion in the face of actual fact, without wanting to accept anything that undermines your position.

"Deny ignorance", after all.

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This post is simply about which planes are leaving the alleged chemtrails.

All federal agencies have so far remained silent on the issue, of course.

No 'real' money has been made available ,as far as I can determine, to look into this.

One man who has spent a lot of time trying to figure this out is Clifford Carnicom.
www.carnicom.com...

Originally posted by Shar_Chi
I think you've already made your point in this thread. No?

Anyone with an on-topic opinion on this subject is free to post it.

There are no restrictions on ATS to do with the number of posts in a topic.

Your post, however, has NOTHING to do with the topic, and everything to do with a member.

The topic of this thread is "Study finds only 'mystery planes produce persistant 'contrails', so how about you add something to the conversation and discuss that?

If you can't do that, then - frankly - this really probably isn't the thread for you.

Well this "researcher" obviously has no clue what he's talking about.


All flights have to register with the FAA. There are no flights whatsoever that are a "mystery". Even military planes get recorded into the FAA's system.


These "mystery" flights this researcher claims to witness are just like this chemtrail nonsense - they don't exist.

Originally posted by marsha law

Curious how this new 'science' has become so popular and well funded.
Here is one.contrailscience.com...

There's nothing "new" about this science, it's simple science of how atmosphere/water/energy/molecules work that most people learn in middle school.

I think chemtrail believers are either school dropouts or they missed science class in middle school. Any logical sound person knows that with basic science, these chemtrail theories are bunk. Seriously, it's BASIC level science that most adolescents know.

These chemtrail believers are the equivalent of someone coming up to you and telling you the moon is purple and the sun is green. Everyone knows they are wrong, and there's no debating it.






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I just don't get these chemtrails theories. I really don't.

First of all, if there are some evil group (NWO/Illuminati types of guys?)planning to get rid of a large portion of the population, isn't spraying chemicals in the air kind of a stupid way to do it? It is not a very accurate method to ensure that the "right" people are being targeted with the chemicals, regarding how the stuff will be spread around because of wind and weather conditions. Do the chemtrail theorists believe that the NWO/Illuminati also have full control over wind and weather conditions everywhere on the planet?

Using hundreds or thousands of airplanes to spray stuff in the air and poison the population must also be a very, very expensive way of doing it. And all the pilots and personell at the airports you have to pay or force to be silent about it... I just don't see how it can be done, not in such a scale that the chemtrail theorists suggests.

If "they" really wanted to get rid of the rest of us so that they can have the planet for themselves, wouldn't it be smarter and a lot more efficient to pollute drinking water or perhaps implement the chemicals in vaccination programs?

Or do the chemtrail theorists think that the evil NWO/Illuminati people will hold their breath or walk around with very suspisious gas masks until the rest of us have inhaled enough chemicals and eventually dies?



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[edit on 25/11/08 by ziggystar60]

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Appearently, yes, they do think.

reply to post by AirTrafficController

I dont believe in conspiracy theories but I do believe in what I see with me own eyes. I have lived in Geraldton Western Australia for sixteen years and on the outskirt of that town for the last thirteen, Geraldton is used as a marker for domestic and international flights, so every day there are many planes flying over head, the Northen flight path is to the West of town and the Southern to the East. Last year and in the first half of this year I saw things that i had never seen before from the planes overhead, I agree that atmospheric conditions can affect contrails, I have seen that, these trails where totally different and the flight paths of some of these planes were bizzare to say the least. I have seen planes approching from the North with normal contrails dissapating behind them and then leave massive trails right over the town stretching tens of miles, atmospheric conditons, I dont think so, four very large planes in fifteen minute intervals leaving trails over the town. The day that made me realize that something was going on was September last year when driving South through town two huge jets side by side flew low and right over the centre of Geraldton ( something you never see them do ) leaving massive trails behind, then one jet made a sudden turn and veered of over the ocean while the other kept heading south, I was like what the @#$@ is going on. I had only read a small amount of information on chemtrails up to that point and didnt pay much attention to it at all, but after that I started paying attention. The comment that it doesnt make sense to use this method to do what ever they are doing is crazy, it make perfect sense to use a method that they and others can explain away simply as contrails. I dont know what is going on but something is happening in the skies that wasnt before. So people can say there is this proof or that proof to argue both sides but the simple truth is jets have been flying over head for decades and its only been in the last ten years that these type of trails have been seen. Also last year I sent a photo ( one of many I took ) to the local paper, it showed a jet in the sky leaving a normal contrail that lasted only seconds, in the same picture was a trail left by a jet from fifteen minutes before that stretched at least ten to fiteen miles, now I have seen this many times, jets on the same flight path leaving totally different trails within minutes of each other, so I get very frustrated with the people who claim it is all atmospheric condtions, GARBAGE!!!!!!!

I honestly think that most of the poor sheeple who buys this chemtrail nonsense need psychiatric help. They must be living in a constant state of fear and paranoia. I guess the big pharma companies will make a big buck on them in the years to come...

"One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population."

"These involved US and UK military scientists spraying into the air massive quantities of serratia marcescens bacteria, with an anthrax simulant and phenol."

"Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: 'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public"

"Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'"

guardian article

Thought this was interesting. Have not researched into it so you be the judge.

May wander slightly off topic but you will see my point.

Now I am no chemtrail fanatic but I do believe in being open minded and at least pondering a theory even if it does seem unlikely. But some people here have basically said the govs would not do tests on soldiers or the public. Well what about when they made the soldiers sit in nuclear fallout and had the pilots fly through it? What about mkultra and all its off shoots?...They had no probs spitting on the nuremburg code then.
Just because you can not see a reason for them to do it does not mean they do not have a reason. And do not be so arrogant as to think the government cares about you. I mean really what are we to them?... some stupid herd that buys up their junk. And im not talking some conspiracy theory illuminati/nwo I just mean seriously you mean nothing to them... so they will poison you in whatever way they please coz they know most people are to stupid to care.

So do I believe in chemtrails?... its a possibility.

I appologise if I wandered off topic slightly. And this is not an attack on anyone and neither an endorsement of the idea of chemtrails... just the wanderings of my mind.

Originally posted by AirTrafficController
Well this "researcher" obviously has no clue what he's talking about.


All flights have to register with the FAA. There are no flights whatsoever that are a "mystery". Even military planes get recorded into the FAA's system.


These "mystery" flights this researcher claims to witness are just like this chemtrail nonsense - they don't exist.

Well... thats exactly the point isnt it.. Why are the planes that happen to have persistent chemtrails NOT registered with the FAA.. if they don't exist then why are planes that are NOT registered seem to have very heavy\persistant contrails... ummmm

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ziggystar... I highly suggest you look into the report made by the uk stating that they had sprayed populations using AIRPLANES... and when asked if this is still happening.. they mod stated"we do not comment on research that is ongoiong" the point is if they have done it before it is plausible\possible they are doing it again... If you completly rule out the possibility considering our own goverments have admited to spraying us... Then I guess you really aren't denying ignorence here are ya?

[edit on 25-11-2008 by thefreepatriot]

Originally posted by ziggystar60
I just don't get these chemtrails theories. I really don't.

First of all, if there are some evil group (NWO/Illuminati types of guys?)planning to get rid of a large portion of the population, isn't spraying chemicals in the air kind of a stupid way to do it? It is not a very accurate method to ensure that the "right" people are being targeted with the chemicals, regarding how the stuff will be spread around because of wind and weather conditions. Do the chemtrail theorists believe that the NWO/Illuminati also have full control over wind and weather conditions everywhere on the planet?

Is it really that difficult if the target population is the whole U.S? and it wouldnt matter if the wrong people got sprayed... I am sure those are innoculated againts any future attacks.. so it wouldnt really matter... who ends up being sprayed... as its the maximun amount of people.. the more people that get sprayed and were not innoculated the more the chance of more people dying from a biological attack......

Using hundreds or thousands of airplanes to spray stuff in the air and poison the population must also be a very, very expensive way of doing it. And all the pilots and personell at the airports you have to pay or force to be silent about it... I just don't see how it can be done, not in such a scale that the chemtrail theorists suggests.

Ummmm look up project Clover Leaf... you are correct if the military did this alone it would be impossible..... but if you enlist the help of airlines and tell them this is for the good of the population... Then you can see how its being done...

If "they" really wanted to get rid of the rest of us so that they can have the planet for themselves, wouldn't it be smarter and a lot more efficient to pollute drinking water or perhaps implement the chemicals in vaccination programs?

They already have implemented chemicals and viruses in the water supply and vaccination programs... its a multi faceted approach.. you really think that they would depend on one approach on this?

Or do the chemtrail theorists think that the evil NWO/Illuminati people will hold their breath or walk around with very suspisious gas masks until the rest of us have inhaled enough chemicals and eventually dies?

The chemicals, particles are obviously designed to weaken the immune system and to make it succeptible to infections.. if the NWO\illunminati are smart... they are innoculating themselves....leaving them immune to any attacks.. and keeping there immune system on the up and up...



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[edit on 25/11/08 by ziggystar60]

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And I still think the chemtrail theory is just silly.

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