Anybody Wanna Help?

from what I have learned ... among some of the college kids doing these things.. it is more or less a competition to see who can come up with the best art work... no real prize .. but the accolades on the internet..

heres my distorted view then!

1)the "college kids" must use hoverboards. like from 'back to the future' (part 2?) with mikey J fox)
2) if theyre that good they could easily set up a company of some sort. You know, creative design work-large adverts cleverly made stuff. By using that amount of ingenuity they could be as sucessful & well paid.
3)question- if in the near future people start collectively (I don't think this is someone understood in one go by one person) decoding the symbolism & meaning-getting an understanding of the sacred geometry (which apparently explains who we are and where we stand in the scheme of things) - these kids making the circles for some street 'cred' (or youtube/crop circle sites 'cred') will appear as super geniuses (perhaps the plural is 'geni' ? don't know i'm not one myself) by laying down the law, so to speak.
They know all this sacred knowledge - if they can make flawless artworks like the circle constructions. perhaps it's the best canvas!

My honest opinion is that college kids would at best make something like this : www.cropcircleconnector.com... or
www.cropcircleconnector.com...
and after some moonshone (the liquid kind) www.cropcircleconnector.com...

ps you wouldn't get this into the Tate modern,it wouldn't fit - www.cropcircleconnector.com...
shes a beaut aint she?

Still find these interesting:
www.cropcircleconnector.com...

www.cropcircleconnector.com...

www.cropcircleconnector.com...

www.cropcircleconnector.com...

reply to post by matsplat


What is interesting except for its brilliance in your second link from bottom on your post,

Go there look at the second photo down, you can clearly see in the field around the crop circle, a dark circle in the field surrounding it.

That lends to me the fact that it shows an old Archeological mound, or circle there, certainly way before this field or the road was built, and from the photo even the ancient "Enclosure Act" that happened with this land defined by the hedgerows.

Ancient man, or at least pre 1700 ish, though the messy nature of the circle I think points to a very old history of the land disturbance, thought this area was significant, and built, or worshipped or had some activity here needing a lot of work, the ground below the field has clearly been disturbed as shown in the photo.

Now this further takes away the hoax theory unless the Hoaxers are first getting aerial photo's of the sight which is costly...

Its significant IMHO.

Elf.

Edit lol just read the rest of the link mentioned there already DOH lol.... but shows im on the same wavelength! lol.

[edit on 30-11-2008 by MischeviousElf]

Would love to take a Metal Detector there or get the "Time Team" involved...

Cant find anything written online in history about that site but people lived within that enclosure and ancient British man did not just settle cos it was a "Nice View" or "Contempory Living" , Location Location Location was for different reasons then!

Originally posted by philjwolf
from what I have learned ... among some of the college kids doing these things.. it is more or less a competition to see who can come up with the best art work... no real prize .. but the accolades on the internet..

Well you obviously have not read the OP's actual thread?
His job and expertise and credential's in surveying then have you?
And no disrespect but you have not learned anything about circles, but are just a repeater of the claims made about all circles, that are only relevant to a percentage of them.

That is not learning. Its a Meme very different indeed.

Elf

[edit on 30-11-2008 by MischeviousElf]

Yeah, see what you mean about the 'outer' ancient ring around the field.

Have watched a few internet vids on circles recently, just to see if theres anything interesting out there.
Came across this one - www.blinkx.com...
Which I found interesting, the significance of numbers.

Although I don't actually understand the significance of the numbers and why they are significant to the masons and other evil, secret keeping societies.
i.e. 3,7,11,13 and multiples of .....
3x7=21 3x11=33 3x13=39 7x11=77 7x13=91
93 is also used (black) as well as 19.5(half of 39)

3 7 11 13 are prime numbers. other than that - what is the significance of numbers & symmetry?


This part of the world was different back in the days.
Somerset, for example, has it's name deriven from the fact that more water was around. The area near Glastonbury would have had islands. people, I suppose swam well or used boats.
there would have been more isolated hills and hill forts.
When people lived in the iron age hill fort settlements - apparently this is when monarchy rule started-in practicality.


anybody, have a look at the fieldwork studies of the circles -like on cropcircleconnector- get a feel for the complexity, and the sheer size and scale looking from the ground.
EVEN if I tried photoshopping a formation (an aerial view)- I probably wouldn't get a better result than most of the circles, and thats with all the tools-eraser,cropping,etc.


heres a thought - how many formations probably go unnoticed aroung the UK and the world? perhaps we are only getting on the internet -maybe 50% of all created.

reply to post by matsplat


Hi,

Thanks for posting those links but as with the earlier example someone supplied I would call at least 4 out of the 5 manmade due to alignment.

Why are they in exact alignment with the tractor trails ?

If they were created through some other method rather than manmade wouldn't you expect at least some of them to be laid across the trails ?

I personally find it hard to believe that there are groups of people capable of such precise artwork on this grand scale and I have no idea how they achieve it, but I cannot reconcile their creation through any other means with the fact that they are all in direct alignment with the trails.

Originally posted by matsplat
Although I don't actually understand the significance of the numbers and why they are significant to the masons and other evil, secret keeping societies.

...other than that - what is the significance of numbers & symmetry?

You call the societies that have the answer on the significance of numbers EVIL yet you seek understanding?

Your kidding right?

Binary system is based on 2 numbers 1 and 0 therefor if you add 1+1 you get 10

Sumerians and Babylonians based their system on 60...

Numerology reduces numbers...

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
A B C D E F G H I
J K L M N O P Q R
S T U V W X Y Z

So Zorgon would be 8+6+9+7+6+5 = 41 > 4+1 = 5

You can do this with your name... but you need to use your full birth name.

All numbers are reduced to their lowest point based on 9 EXCEPT 11, 22, and 33

The significance of this and how to use the data?

Well you would have to join one of those EVIL secret societies (or study numerology and sacred geometry)

But a hint... Jesus and the Dalai Lama would be a 33

A good introduction to Sacred Geometry in Art and Architecture is taught by Dartmouth University...

www.dartmouth.edu...


[edit on 2-12-2008 by zorgon]

reply to post by Flux8


hey flux, i've also looked into the coral castle stuff...very interesting. there is a large amount of speculation and it's very hard to find any decent evidence of how he managed it all... any assistance would be appreciated.

TGG

Goblin, I'm working on that personally, (just don't have as much time or resources as he did). I wish I could get those pictures of Ed's fountain and two crop circles on here.

It's my understanding that magnetic deviation has been measured inside some crop circles, (but not outside of them) and is one way to discount a hoax (for those circles specifically). In some cases the deviation is as much as 10 degrees.

Hmmm...
-Magnetic deviation in some CCs that have never been explained or reproduced.
-Ed's fountain basically depicted in at least 2 CCs.
-Ed's fountain resembled, conceptually, the physical design of his main flywheel.
-Ed's belief that everything was magnetism.
-Two people said they saw Ed levitate a very large stone block from a few cables like a balloon, when they were kids.
-and on and on my weak examples go, lol.

But I really think there is a connection between it all. I speculate the deviation is caused by the absorption of magnetic energy from the ground in circular patterns from another object. The basic concept and device used to collect that magnetic energy is in Ed's flywheel(s) and the surrounding components that made it run, (depicted in Egyptian hieroglyphs as the Djed pillar, Was scepter, etc.... not to mention Nefetari's "training" scenes, and glyphs from various temples).

Hmmm, back to glyphs again... I think whatever is making these more unique circles are fueling up over areas with lots of natural running water above ground and underground, (possibly one natural energy distribution network, much like the arteries of the human body but for a "living" planet instead) and "they" are leaving cryptic communications of physical laws/concepts behind as a kind of payment or trade.

Ehhh, but who knows, it's all mostly speculation.

reply to post by Flux8


Thanks so much Flux8, you've been a great help. I had also read of the cc's attraction to water, a Dr. Andrews has studied magnetic anomalies and water, Do a search for him and you'll find some more stuff. Colin Andrews has also got quite a bit (they are mentioned on the BBC crop circle site) of imagery too which is pretttttty compelling!




There are also some really good images of the water table correlating to crop circles mapped. I also read that the crop circles decrease dramatically in number when the water table is low for a particular year.

Also I read in Vital Signs by Andy Thomas that atomic clocks can go out of sync when inside cc's (rifts in the time-space continuum? lol). there are TONS of reports of recording equipment getting odd interference (reminds me of Johnny's ATS ranch videos/audio!).

I'm going to go away now and session the stuff you've provided me with.

Thanks again, TGG

[edit on 11-12-2008 by TheGreensGoblin]

You're welcome, goblin.

Actually, I've researched Colin quite a bit. I don't think Colin has a doctorate though, (I think he has a master's degree in civil engineering but I could be wrong on this). He and a few others were the first to begin scientifically studying crop circles. Colin actually commited professional suicide by studying this phenomenon, and it put considerable strain on his family life, (I think this was a major reason why he and his 1st wife divorced. Plus she wasn't comfortable with the subject and his obsession with it). He was harrassed by an American claiming to be from the CIA, and was told that his research colleagues would be removed from the limelight one at a time, (I'm not sure if they were harrassed as well though). I think he and his family experienced other "high strangeness"/paranormal activity around their house but he didn't focus too much on that. I applaud him and his team for bringing this subject out to the open and the knowledge they've gathered!

Switching gears... I have an idea to try out. This actually is something I heard/saw from a highschool student (I think it was a highschool student, maybe junior college, but whatever). Since it's the rainy time of the year, for those of you who live in areas where lightning storms are frequent, try this...

Get a clear glass cooking dish and put it out in the rain over night during a lightning storm to collect the water. In the morning slowly run a permanent magnet under the dish in circles several times, making sure the magnet touches the dish so the lines of flux pass through the glass into the water. See what you find, (and please report back here what you find, if anything at all).

Yes, I had also read about how screwed up his life had become through crop circles. Poor man, I find it much easier to keep it under my hat thanks to ATS. You can chat about what you want here instead of talking to your colleagues and getting booted out of a job! I shall try you experiment over the weekend. Its such grim weather that I'm sure there will be a chance to test it out.

Would it be an idea to leave the glass out for several days in case a lightning strike occurs 1 in 3 of those days? would that create problems? I presume it'd be best to start fresh each evening.

Can't wait to test this out!

I remember several years ago, several formations were analysed on a website (no idea what it was called!) and some were shown that resembled molecular structuring-mostly water related.
Perhaps water is a very vital missing link.it is after all always obedient to laws acted upon it,energies applied to it.
hydrogen molecules, etc.

I seem to recall a possible reference to the effect that Microwaves might make, basically destroying a foot items' structure like no other cooking method-probably in not too good/healthy a way.
consequently,The same year, a professor was doing a live lecture (the christmas lectures - on TV in the UKXmas day, boxing day,etc - mostly aimed at kids) about biotechnology, connecting wires & chips to people. (he has since microchipped himself for some research idea he's involved in). He said he never cooks food in a microwave/doesn't use one-they are not good.

I have extremely scarcely used one since.

damn it's bugging me now. I have to find the website. it also showed possible circles showing machine & engineering ideas

reply to post by Flux8


Wow, this thread still has legs? haha. I had removed it from my queue and just found it again.
Anyhow, Flux gave me an idea. About the magnetic declination within some glyphs.
I've got some old nautical maps around here somewhere. I was always kind of interested in local magnetic anomalies on the maps. I found one anomaly in Nova Scotia, I think, that had a declination of 27 degrees!!! Holy crap that is a huge deviation!

Sorry for jumping out of my own thread like that folks. I was getting upset with the derailment.

It's also my understanding that many of those ancient mounds around which some crop circles are formed are made of striated layers of rocks of different composition which acts as a large voltaic pile, (the pictures Goblin put up showing the magnetic anomoly around a mound is a perfect example). Low voltage has been measured on some of these mounds, (as much as 2-3 volts if I remember correctly).

IF these CCs are made by intelligent non-human sources, (aliens, fairies, ghosts, angels, devils, Merlin!, ... whatever/whoever) then not only are they communicating with the symbols themselves, but they are incorporating other subtle elements of the surrounding area into their messages. What other subtle clues/messages are being missed?

I don't have the time to mess with it right now, but I have seen numerous glyphs that incorporate things like nearby roads, tree-rows and tram-lines into their designs. Other than that, I don't know.

I've had a little time to do some armchair research and here is an example of what I'm talking about in how some CCs incorporate elements in the general area that are/might be missed. I used the Crop Circle Connector site for reference, and as per their policy/request on using them as a source for images I have to state that,
"Crop Circle photos and reports courtesy The Crop Circle Connector".

Now, on with the show...

Crop circle @ a Marly, France (more specifically between Marly and Magny, France).
Reported 7th June. 2008
www.cropcircleconnector.com...

If you have it, please use Google Earth in reference for the locale. The CC isn't there of course (area was scanned in 1997 and the CC was made in 2008). Also, disregard the location submitted by "Jo57" on Google Earth. That is not the exact location.

Here is the exact location.
49 deg 03' 43.46" N
6 deg 11' 29.40" E

I'd like to point some things out about this one.

1). Yes, it is in line with the tractor tracks. Many believe this is a tell tale sign of it being man-made, that this is how the makers got to the location without leaving any tracks. But for the sake of argument suspend that belief for a moment.

2). The CC was made almost directly underneath a set of power lines running from pylons nearby. Consider this symbolically important to the CC.

3). Looking at this location through Google Earth you can see that there is a small body of water Northeast of where the CC was, (cess pool, drainage pool, or whatever it is, it's there). As mentioned previously, water seems to have an important connection with CCs, or at least with the ones where unusual phenomena have been recorded/reported (ie-high pitched trilling/cricket like sounds heard inside the CCs, magnetic deviation just inside the CCs, elongated nodes and non-broken stems in the plants the CCs were made in, etc). I'm not sure if this small body of water is symbolically important to the "message", but suspending the belief that this is a man-made CC I wouldn't necessarily discount it.

4). We know that the CC was aligned perfectly with the tractor tracks, so by judging from the tracks on the Google Earth map we can see that the CC's alignment was almost East-West, (considering Google Earth's compass). I wonder if it is aligned with magnetic North-South, not true North-South. This could be symbolically important, which I'll get to soon.

5). The CC was made only 10 meters away from a major highway. I think this is symbolic as well.

Ok, now look at the actual morphology of the CC, (please see the link at the beginning of my post for reference).

IF this is a message from "beyond", here's how I interpret it...
We are seeing the symbolic representation of the first five planets in our solar system, including the asteroid belt. But there is a problem with this interpretation, a glaring one in fact. Even symbolically the circle that would represent Mars should be noticably smaller than the circle representing Earth, right? Keeping that in mind each circle is intermittently hollow then full, hollow then full. There is a pattern. I think the circles represent something to do with the magnetic polarities of the inner planets and their alignments and their importance in this message, not the symbolic size.

There should be a "sun" in this CC to make it complete, and sure enough I think they did... in an interesting way. It's the AC power lines. Also, the CC runs almost perpendicular to the power lines. (Keep in mind the right hand thumb rule for determining the magnetic fields of an electrical current.)

Also, I think the CC's alignment with the tracks and next to a highway may represent travel (getting from point A to B). Alright, I'll just come out and say it... I think "they" may be trying to tell us the basics of how to efficiently travel among our planets, in this CC that is. But again, it is only my interpretation, based on the speculation that it is not man-made, which is based on my speculation that this CC does incorporate the environment in it's message. I think this is a kind of 3 dimensional communication. It's art.

Or... it could be a man-made hoax and I'm just suffering from that periodontal/peradolia schism thing some people are so fond and quick to accuse others of.



Edit to add that while my view could be seen as eccentric, I do not necessarily subscribe to the views expressed on the Crop circle connector's website.

[edit on 16-1-2009 by Flux8]

Now that I think of it, I have a tech question for you Jay. Would being in close proximity to power lines interfer significantly with GPS?

And... the more I think of it I have come up with another alternative interpretation of that CC in France. It's the concept of energy accumulation... the same kind Ed created. I won't go into specifics but it fits better than the one I thought of earlier. The largest circle is the rotor, or rather where a monopolar magnetic energy is collected. The crescent shape is the slightly bent permanent magnet, where the energy is stripped off of, (one tip north, one tip south). The following descending circles represent magnetic north energy, then south energy, then north, and so on, which are absorbing into and re-gaussing the magnet. The power lines might be meant to represent the energy in the form as we currently understand it. And the water is where this primal energy source is distributed/gathered from. It's still just a guess though. But it does tie in all the elements I've noticed in the surrounding area, as well as make more sense for the circle sizes as opposed to comparing them to our inner planets and Jupiter, (in this concept anyway).

Hmmm. I'd like to make a loose prediction in hopes of proving that CCs integrate the sorrounding elements into their "messages". It might not happen this summer (2009), or within the next several years, but if it does it will shed a little light on what the "messages" might mean.

Here goes...
England is notorious for CCs, specifically all around Wiltshire and nearby areas. I'd like to concentrate on Stonehenge (a MAJOR CC formed there) and Avebury (where CCs have been reported.) In my opinion Avebury and Stonehenge share the commonality of erected stone monoliths, and perhaps much more.

Now looking at a map, the center of Stonehenge is roughly 17.3 miles from the center of Avebury. Exactly half of this distance between the two (8.65 miles) there is a small village named Charlton. Lets focus on that area...

Using google earth, go to these coordinates:
51 deg 18' 26.28" N
1 deg 50' 23.57" W
Take a close look at the country side there just North, outside of Charlton. Notice anything similar to the CC I mentioned in France? See the small creek bed (the water)? See the powerline running roughly E/W (the energy)? And nothing but crop land as far as the eyes can see (the canvas). If I were a circle maker this would be an incredibly tempting sight to make one.

I predict that at some time in the future a CC will show up there. It will incorporate the E/W powerline, the creek, and will itself be aligned with magnetic N/S, (not true N/S). I'll keep my eyes peeled.



Edit- Well, I guess I should be more thorough with searching before I post. Just after I posted this I found that there had been 2(!) CCs found near Charlton in 2000.
ccdb.cropcircleresearch.com...
I'm not sure of the EXACT location though.

[edit on 22-1-2009 by Flux8]