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Alien artifacts discovered underneath crop circles

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Wishing all Peace

Note: after reading the posts here..!
I don't think these folks are scholars either, nor were some of the first's of their kind in their fields of study. As I recall all things have to manifest from some where an entry point of sorts.

reply to post by MischeviousElf


The problem I have with this formation is that it is in alignment with the tractor tracks and uses one of them as the start point.

To me there is only the obvious explanation for this but would welcome alternative points of view ?

reply to post by Jay-in-AR

Bent stalks, busted nodes, magnetic anomalies inside the glyph, radioactive anomalies, etc.

Hmm, very interesting... You lot are making me wonder all over again... It's true, I have heard amazing tales of crop circles changing the time on atomic clocks and many other incredible stories. Seriously, Jay-in-AR, I really am interested in this subject and have been for a long time, I agree that there is much more to this than planks of wood and drunk farmers!

But I have also read lots of stories from the other side, the crop makers. They talk of spreading lead bearings across fields, and using military grade GPS plotting to map out the crops. I know for a fact that Lucy Pringle claims MANY crop circles as 'authentic' while the makers of them grin from ear to ear from behind their strong ale.

i really am lost on the whole crop circle area these days...

P.s. I repeat, if anyone can let me know about the 1991 barbury castle triangle...any information would be great. thanks

ok - a frew points

1 - accuracy / dificulty

plotting precise and complex patterns on the ground is utter childsplay to anyone with experience of surveying

al you need is a plan , a total station - several extra tripods / poles - pegs and string

they key is planning / prepartion

i will even igve you a tutorial ` how to make multiple circles on a circumfrance `

1 - establish the centre [ total station base point ]

2 establish the major circumfrance - nothing more complex than a string of the correct lenth tied to a stake

3 establish the centres of the satelite circles - siply done but pre calculatiing the bearing [ angle ] between each satalite circle centre point - and having an assistant mark it

however an eaven easier [ but more slower / error prone method ] would be to measire the distance on the tangent - ising string / tape measure

4 - establish the circumfrance of the satalite circle - again string from the centre point

5 flaten - the low tech phase doug and dave get the plank out

repeat

so please do not tell us things are impossible - just because you do not understand how to do it - some of us do
2 spotting hoaxes

i wish all the crop circle believers who are so adept at spotting hoaxes had spoken up when the schiphol fake was being discussed ATS thread

oh how many people were convinced it was real

reply to post by TheGreensGoblin


A couple of things. I did respond to the Barbury Castle glyph. Page back one or two.
Also, I find it highly suspect that ANYONE has access to military grade GPS technology. Being a land surveyor myself who uses GPS on a daily basis, I can speak with reasonable certainty that the human circle-makers don't use military grade stuff. I have used military grade GPS, but only when I was in the military. In the civilian world, you are required to have a land surveyor's liscense to even buy a somewhat accurate GPS system (actually it is pretty darned accurate), and our signal is "dumbed down" quite a bit from what the Military uses.

Edit to add - The GPS handhelds you can buy at any local retailer usually operate with a margin of error of 20' +/-... That dog won't hunt for me. That is too much of an error for most of the circles found.


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reply to post by ignorant_ape


I lay out subdevelopments for a living, so I am well aware that a lot, if not all, circles could be man made.

I just don't believe that all of them are.

Btw, are you a surveyor? I don't want to post the alien face circle again, but I can say with reasonable certainty that if that were man made, people would have seen the makers in action. THAT glyph is VERY, very complex.
Not that it couldn't be done, just that I feel the makers would have been caught in the act.
Surely you know that someone would need to do a preliminary survey of the lot in order to get a base of reference for laying the thing out. Which means people would need to be out there beforehand. Unless they have a laptop with them and go at it on site. If that were the case it would take a very long time to complete.


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reply to post by EarthSister


Hi just want to say that i have been channeling the Trans-leations and have written 2 books covering all sorts of help given to humans from beings on the etherall planes, aliens etc....... Crop circles are made from beings called the gallenialites......they use the earths energy fields with their own to construct the patterns. They will never be seen until the earth is one in love and light....the messages are indeed for us all and all the scientists in the world will never work them out ..... until the truth is sought from within. Anyone can check out this and so much more info ascensionforyou.co.uk

I don't buy into the idea that you have a large network of accomplished land surveyors making dozens of glyphs all around the globe (although 85% are found in England) without knowing exactly who those people are. Not only that, but I also don't buy into the idea that these people are laying these crop down without laying the design out in auto-cad first. To suggest that people are doing this on site with pad, paper and a total station is absurd. Land Surveying is a very in-depth discipline.

The old analogy of a joe-sixpack type dude out there laying these things out is foolish to me. I KNOW what it takes. These people are very bright individuals if they can create these designs on the fly without many signs of serious mistakes.
If you were a surveyor yourself, you would know just how easy it is to completely fudge things up. I couldn't even imagine how easy it would be to do so in the dark. Ever turned a bad angle? It happens regularly. I did it today, in fact.

Nah, if they are being made by surveyors, they are using something like this www.gulfis.com...

Hi,Does anyone know of some media showing people actually forming these complexed designs.It seems strange that nobody's coming forward,claiming the
prize money.

I also work in the construction industry and I agree with Jay, the setting out involved in some of the designs is phenominal.

I particularly like this one, formed at Barbury Castle, nr Wroughton, WiltshireU.K www.cropcircleconnector.com...


Lewtra

Spelling check


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Originally posted by ignorant_ape
ok - a frew points

1 - accuracy / dificulty

plotting precise and complex patterns on the ground is utter childsplay to anyone with experience of surveying

al you need is a plan , a total station - several extra tripods / poles - pegs and string

they key is planning / prepartion

i will even igve you a tutorial ` how to make multiple circles on a circumfrance `

1 - establish the centre [ total station base point ]

2 establish the major circumfrance - nothing more complex than a string of the correct lenth tied to a stake

3 establish the centres of the satelite circles - siply done but pre calculatiing the bearing [ angle ] between each satalite circle centre point - and having an assistant mark it

however an eaven easier [ but more slower / error prone method ] would be to measire the distance on the tangent - ising string / tape measure

4 - establish the circumfrance of the satalite circle - again string from the centre point

5 flaten - the low tech phase doug and dave get the plank out

whoops-a-daisy, you forgot to mention all that would be done in total darkness with no use of lighting, and nobody in the area spotted a thing even though they appeared quite close to buildings in the area and must be completed in a time frame of 5-6 hours whilst leaving no signs of human activity, i assume that includes footprints?

dunno about anybody else, but i use to live very near to farm fields growing crops as a kid, we use to play in them. the ground is actually soil with crops sprouting out from it. leaving no footprints would be impossible.

if they are ALL hoaxes it would be great if they could film someone reproducing one of the complex ones for all to see. it cannot be that hard to find someone willing and capable could it? where are these documentarys? all we get is doug and dave old age pensioners creating very basic circles. we get nothing showing how it easy it is to create a very complex pattern with mathimatical messages.

any documentary makers on here who want to settle this mystery once and for all? surely there is someone who could film somebody reproducing these complex patterns which have advanced math within them and would take great effort to complete in such a short time frame?

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Look, this is the problem.

I have no intention of debating the reality of the issue. I KNOW what this would ACTUALLY require. I do this for a living. If anyone wants to debate land surveying techiques, create a thread and I'll do my best (which I believe would do well enough for anyone here, even you IgnorantApe)...

That isn't the stated goal of this thread. If you aren't interested in what I had in mind, please don't bother.

reply to post by lifeform


THere were a couple of MIT groups who tried to do this, one was I think called the starfox cc and not sure what the other was, but I saw a ufo show about it, which was excellent. The starfox cc was just a joke, sure they got it done but it looked like complete crap and clearly man made. In the other video the students(harvard,yale dunno, ivy league though) were struggling with the darkness and fullfilling the cc requirments (bent noids, raditation, ect.) They barely finish the cc in the required time and failed to meet all the requirments of the test succesfully. Almost starting a fire. Here is the kicker, well we have all heard stories of aircraft stalling over cc, guess what as they where finishing up the filming of the cc with the arial view the helicopter stalls lol strange and this was man made.

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
Look, this is the problem.

I have no intention of debating the reality of the issue. I KNOW what this would ACTUALLY require. I do this for a living. If anyone wants to debate land surveying techiques, create a thread and I'll do my best (which I believe would do well enough for anyone here, even you IgnorantApe)...

That isn't the stated goal of this thread. If you aren't interested in what I had in mind, please don't bother.

you seemed willing untill i posted again, then i post and you give your lecture again. if it bothers you when i post, all you had to do was say. i will stop pointing out to people who think ALL crop circles are hoaxes the reason why they cannot be. i understand that is'nt the point of this thread, but if you want people to take notice and contribute you have to explain why there is more to it than a man in a field with a wooden plank.

at the same time looking for messages in crop circles is pointless unless you can seperate the hoaxes from the real ones.

if you include hoaxes in with your research into the messages your going to end up with confusing and conflicting messages, and in some cases seeing messages where there where none, because the circle was just a random pattern the hoaxer wanted to use or felt more comfortable making and no 'message' was intended.

good luck with your research. i'll keep an eye on the thread due to intrest, but promise i will not post again unless its about the actual message within a crop circle.

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
Look, this is the problem.

I have no intention of debating the reality of the issue. I KNOW what this would ACTUALLY require. I do this for a living. If anyone wants to debate land surveying techiques, create a thread and I'll do my best (which I believe would do well enough for anyone here, even you IgnorantApe)...

That isn't the stated goal of this thread. If you aren't interested in what I had in mind, please don't bother.

You do not KNOW what this would require and you do not make crop circles for a living, I assume ?

You raised an interesting query in the OP, asked for assistance which was given with several posters explaining it is pointless to research hoaxes but you just want to run away with the ball.

So be it if that is the case, go and join the bands of people creating semi-religions. Otherwise, if you want to stick to the stated goal of YOUR thread, address this point.

reply to post by lifeform


Honestly, I don't know where you are coming from. I was obviously speaking to IgnorantApe's comments about Surveying techniques, which I am very well versed in.
No, I wasn't giving any sort of lecture. I have mentioned, a few times now, that I don't want this to go into some sort of debate. I even mentioned that IF someone wanted to debate them, they could create a separate thread and that I am prepared to do so.

P.S. To your mention of investigating hoaxes. My research will, by design, weed out hoaxes... I am basing my research on the contention that the crop circle issue is possibly being perpetrated by otherworldly intelligence. If that is the case, and they are using fractal geometry with multiple meanings, in their patterns and based on the times they lay these patterns out, then the human element is, quite frankly, sub-par and will not conform with the rest of the patterns I find. I have already found, and posted, a few patterns. I have more, but this thread never got started as a research thread, so I have decided not to post much else in the way of results until I can find a better way to present it.
Nay, instead this thread very quickly became an access for people to state their belief, disbelief on the subject. I'm simply not interested in that. I don't have time for close-minded people at this point in my life. I have too much work to do.


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reply to post by chunder


Yes, I do KNOW what it would take to lay these designs out. If you had read above, you would have noticed that I made mention of the fact that I "LAY OUT" things for a living.

I understand quite well, even on a passing glance, the complexity of a glyph.

PS. Since this is obviously going to diverge into a debate, I would ask you to give me one example of someone telling me that it is pointless to investigate a hoax.
I have a retort ready.

If you can't find even one example backing your deflective claim, you can kindly just take your unwillingness to particpate elsewhere. It would be appreciated.
And I honestly have no idea where the "semi-religions" comes into this... If you want a debate you are dead in the water.


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Originally posted by Jay-in-AR I would ask you to give me one example of someone telling me that it is pointless to investigate a hoax.
I have a retort ready.

Its TOTALLY pointless to investigate a known hoax because there is nothing to investigate other than why they did it

reply to post by zorgon


Okay, now that has been established, but you made a claim that these are all known hoaxes. That simply isn't true.

Disecting someones comments to pick apart one aspect of what they said is the definition of intellectual dishonesty. Try context.

PS. You may have hit the nail on the head with your own disclaimer. "why they did it"... But that can wait for another time. ... ... Eh, I was going to go into this commentary on how you didn't answer the question you butted in to answer, other than some arbitrary gainsaying, but you know that. That's why you chose to snipe and then not respond... Like I said, I'm done here.


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I'm sorry guys, I am being very snippy right now. I apologize and I hereby drop my participation in my own thread. This isn't where I wanted it to go.

Shame Jay

Could have been interesting.
Maybe start a thread up in 5 months time when the season starts again.

I was hoping to see people's interpretations of some of the circles. I tend to end up banging my head against the wall- just when I thought I've got the grasp/meaning, something doesn't add up.

Many hands make light work ('lightworkers'-sorry just saw the pun!) -
Maybe these circles are supposed to be decoded by more than one person - perhaps they are more to do with how we connect to the collective unconscience or something!

I will be speaking to the person who has channeled something on the circles - in the next 2-3days - If I do and get some little nugget of info I will still post here as more people than you perhaps realise take an interest - It's a tricky subject really, mostly bound by subjectivity.